:1orglaugh the crap you come up with is hilarious. I thought you was a pretty clever guy but you act like America is some brilliant nation that doesn't need anyone's help and it is totally ridiculous.

It wasn't as simple as, "oh where would you be if we didn't help?" The real question is where would you be if you didn't help?

Yes.

Knives are legal, as are baseball bats, clubs, and hammers. However, when was the last time a man with a baseball bat killed a dozen people and injured twenty more? When was the last time someone with a knife did it?

I'm not saying make guns illegal. But at some point in time you need to question why a former US Marine needs or wants an assault rifle, no less more than one.

I grew up around firearms in rural NJ; We used to hunt every winter. We used to bring back the deer and skin them in our back yard. If you want to go hunting go hunting; You can own a rifle with a scope on it. No fucking need for a AR15 to shoot at deer that aren't shooting back at you. Want to go shooting, great, go shooting. We used to shoot clays with a shotgun. That's shooting. Not shooting beer cans with an AR15. (Although that is always fun.)

We need to question why people need this. The old programmer at Lightspeed Cash carried a fucking Uzi and Mac10 in the trunk of his car. Why? Setting aside that fact that he was a scrawny little fuck who could get knocked over by a breeze, he didn't need a dozen fucking firearms in his car.

I have a friend of mine who is partially retarded. He's had a dozen operations on his brain (He has water on the brain). Mentally he is sixteen, cannot pay his bills, and collects swords and he hands up on his wall. He also has an AR15 and a handgun. Perfectly legal, but at some point in time why isn't someone saying "He's not all mentally there, he hasn't been laid in twenty years since his divorce, and one day he might just snap - and he has an AR15 with thousands of rounds". Yet no one fucking questions this.

We have the right to bare arms. This does not mean we have the right to own assault rifles, and it doesn't mean we cannot start restricting them. We need tougher controls on this. That's just common sense.

This fucker was dying his hair red and orange. Yet no one questioned his sanity.

Can knives or baseball bats kill 15 people like sitting ducks???

I think there is a staggering difference between what the government military had in the 1700s compared to now. They might have had cannons then, but they were easy to get at and over run. Now our military has APCs which nothing the civilian population has or can beat, and the military has machine guns that can kill hundreds in seconds. Don't get me started on planes and tanks.

The US has vast stockpiles of equipment that would last years. I've seen military bunkers that store tens of thousands of machine guns and billions of rounds. I remember one bunker in the Marines that was full of LAWS rockets. On top of this, we have huge stockpiles across the world. And if that fails, the US military can just buy whatever it needs from other countries.

Care to explain? If someone is shooting at me not much I can do. If someone has a knife or bat I can run. How are you going to kill 15 people in seconds with a bat?

we'll be called, wild wild earth.

And why did they need help? Because they had the balls to stand up to the most powerful military on earth at the time. They could have taken the cowardly route that many Americans shamefully advocated and stayed out of the war. Had they done so they'd have kept their Empire intact and remained the world's superpower, while the USA would be the irrelevance it was before the war. And without the war as an incentive, who knows who'd have developed the Bomb first.

Just to be clear, which side in the civil war do you believe are comparable to the Nazis?

Who I make friends with, and where and how I do it, is not your concern, so try not to worry so much about it. And try not to worry so much about Brits either. It's been several years since they last burned the Whitehouse. I bet you walk around with one eye over your shoulder though, in case Queen Betty is coming to take your guns. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

But that's the main reason people buy guns in the first place, isn't it: fear.

no .

Some of you guys just dont get the point.

Like others have said, a can of gasoline could have killed for more people than an assault rifle in a theater. Murdering people was the crime, not having a gun.

I'm out of this thread, got better shit to do.

I fully understand your point. But that's not my point.

People do real stupid shit with guns, because we've got such a large population of real stupid people in this country. And every gun lover thinks everyone should be armed. I think if we thought about it real rationally, without getting all emotional about it... we'd realize that putting a gun in the hands of every irresponsible piece of shit in America that thinks they need "protection" is a very, very bad idea. 99.9% of the population should NOT be allowed to own a gun.

Here's an example:

"Daniel Collins Jr. is accused of pointing a silver revolver at his 47-year-old neighbor in the vestibule of their Cedar Lane apartment building and saying, ?I?m going to put a hole in your head.? The confrontation occurred after Collins said his neighbour farted as he walked in front of Collins? apartment, said Detective Lt. Andrew McGurr."

http://www.northjersey.com/news/Police_Teaneck_man_72_accused_of_threatening_neigh bor_with_gun.html

This guy probably doesn't want his 2nd Amendment rights taken away either. I bet he's JUST as passionate about it as you are. And he legitimately thought he was protecting himself, exactly what every asshole thinks when they pull out a gun to senselessly smoke someone.

The problem is that "defending yourself" is quite subjective. I could say "get the fuck off my lawn" to some deranged person taking a piss on it, and they could say "I feel threatened, so I'm going to defend myself"... pull out a gun and shoot me.

This kind of bullshit happens all the time.

You think that if the guy didn't have a gun, he'd pull out a knife and stab him? That's doubtful. Or go grab his car, and run him over? Again, doubtful. Pull out a spoon and gouge his eyes out? Maybe...

That's the fundamental problem here.

All I know is when the zombie apocalypse hits the world we'll see how far your anti-gun stance gets you.


Some of you are going to be shit out of luck.

some concepts i'm working on:

people should become more responsible for their existence, stop waiting for "a president" or fairy tales from the bible to change their lives.

a responsible gun owner that does positive things in his/her community is worth about 2000-3000 iphone users.

wackos that buy guns to kill people probably represent 0.000001% of all gun owners. when obama said ban AK-47's from the criminals he was talking about you

i wouldn't trust 99% of the population with a weapon becuase they have shit inside their heads

nutella is tastier in the summer time

Here's a responsible gun owner...

Woman known as ?Sea Hag? accused of fatally shooting man who refused to give her a beer

guns should be forbidden! every lunatic can have a gun now and can kill innocent people!
I hate guns and drugs!

One fitty gun fights at the GFY Corall:ak47::BangBang:

So for those that think that the presense of guns causes crime, why aren't there massacures all the time in Switzerland? There are assault rifles in pretty much every home....




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In a country like the US.. NO ONE except army or police should be able to buy semi automatic, automatic and assault rifle.

Handgun, Hunting rifle should be enough to protect your home If you need it.

Actually Switzerland's gun ownership percentage is comparable to Canada's. No massacres but deaths by firearm rate is high in Switzerland. Specially considering what a low crime wealthy society it is otherwise.

Where are you getting your information from? Are they talking about the guns that are issued to every household by the military or just privately owned? Because there is a battle rifle in every house, issued by the Swiss government. They have the highest rate of militia issued weapons in the world. There are about 420,000 assault rifles stored at private homes, mostly SIG SG 550 types. Additionally, there are some 320,000 semi-auto rifles and military pistols exempted from military service in private possession, all selective-fire weapons having been converted to semi-automatic operation only. In addition, there are several hundred thousand other semi-automatic small arms classified as carbines. The total number of firearms in private homes is estimated minimally at 1.2 million to 3 million. Up until 2007 the government gave everyone 50 rounds of 5.56 mm ammo to keep at home also....



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And it adds up to...

27% of Swiss households having a gun, in Canada the estimate is 26%.

Incidentally Finland and Switzerland the two European countries with the highest number of guns per household have the highest rate of deaths by firearms.

In Switzerland they don't allow morons to carry guns on them or in their car.

Are you comparing households to total population? (figuring average of 3 people per household)

Also, this percentage does NOT reflect the percentage of actual assault rifles in Canada, vrs Switzerland. Perhaps we can look at it by type, since assault rifles seem to be the "big evil" that the media is hyping right now.


(even though 98% of gun-related crimes are commited with handguns)




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As far is I know, the people in Switzerland serve the military and they are given the weapons to serve as a stand-by army. Kind of like the TA in the UK (except they don't get to take an M-16 home with them). Or, perhaps even The National Guard in the US.

The Swiss follow a strict set of rules. to come back to your original point..

The highest number of guns per resident in Europe: Switzerland, Finland, Norway, France and Austria.

The highest rate of firearm related deaths....the exact same five.

Accessibility and ease of use is everything there is no denying it, having said that being coddled by a nanny society that tries to eliminate all danger bores me to death, I'd rather keep the guns.

Homicides per 100,000 for them same five. Around 1/5th of the US number.

Everyone in the US should own a gun or 5.

Which is the point I am making.

Whatever the personal stance on gun ownership there is no denying the direct correlation between guns in circulation and the likelihood someone will turn it against a neighbor or himself.

Yeah it is a strange thing. So many factors. But some more regulation probably wouldn't do the US any harm but might curb some of the problem. I don't know.

I think regulations and a better society overall could help the US. But I don't know, I don't live there :upsidedow all I can do is compare figures and news stories and that leads me nowhere to knowing where the problem comes from.

Because Americans are fucking crazy??? I'd love to know why your country is plagued by violence. I was reading an article and it was talking about gun murders, Tijuana, Mexico gets a bad rap. However, For every 100,000 people there are 4 murdered in Tijuana and 2 per 100,000 in Toronto. Places like Memphis , Tampa, Detroit and Chicago etc the numbers are up to about 36 per 100,000. Why is that?

good ice cream also :2 cents:

See? I knew someone would get the right answer! Guns don't cause murder, but good ice cream prevents them!


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