Stop believing everything you read in the Bible. They have proof it was built by Egyptians who were well cared for and worked in between farming. Wheat was the source of their wealth.

Slaves provide the sweat and toil. Paid craftsman produce the beauty.

We know. But the craftsmen were educated people and not slaves.

You have a very blinkered and even that's wrong about economics. So a little refresher.

95% of the money the Government spends goes into America. It doesn't disappear. You might argue with the % figure, but that doesn't change much.

Government Spending = $6.3 trillion http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/
Annully borrowed. = $1 trillion and rising http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2018906819.html
US GDP = $15.09 http://www.google.com/publicdata/exp...hl=en&q=us+gdp

Taxes don't raise enough, so Governments borrow more to make up the gap.

So cut taxes. Does that mean a cut in spending? If it does, it will take money out of someone's pocket. To transfer it to yours.

Over 1/3 of the US GDP is now flowing from tax or borrowed dollars. Every cut = someone losing money. Who gets fired or what doesn't get paid for to put some money into your pockets and takes food off the table of someone else. You seem to think $6.3 trillion goes up in smoke, it doesn't. It goes to fund 1/3 of the US GDP.

You see for every action, their are consequences. As for fuelling more spending (by you). It means someone else spends less. Just Multiply it by all the people getting some of the $6.3 trillion in their wage check. It hasn't created any demand. It's only changed the people buying. It will actually lead to less demand. Those getting the tax cuts will just buy the same amount of goods, or similar. Just better quality. How many Fridges, TVs, Cars, etc can you own?

To those who think everything comes free.



Action = reaction.

Great post. Thanks for that.:thumbsup

Except all those ancient wonders of the world were built with slave labor.

If Ryan's tax plan were passed as is, Romney's 2010 tax rate would have been less than 1%. Meanwhile taxes on the middle class would rise. That is not conjecture or a guess, it is a simple fact of applying the exact details of Ryan's plan to Mitt's 2010 tax return (the only one he has made available to voters).
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blo...e-1-as-in-one/


Add in obscene student loans that have nothing to do with the cost of education and can not be discharged by bankruptcy, tag on social security taxes and payroll taxes that disproportionately hit working people, figure in the impossible cost of end of life care for people who have no medical insurance which brings most estates to bankruptcy and what you have is a Ryan trajectory that very much seeks to return most people to a life of indentured servitude.

I wonder what great wonders will be built by American economic Slaves during this century. :2 cents:

1. People like Romney make most of their money with capital gains. Would you like to raise the rates on capital gain taxes?

2. Student loans...the cost of higher education just coincidentally rose like crazy the minute the federal govt. got involved with student loans. The whole system is fucked up from the get-go. Just like medical care...the problem isn't the rates on student loans. The problem is that universities are overcharging so much that you NEED a student loan to go to college in the first place.

3. No great wonders will ever be built in our lifetime. Ecological groups make sure of that. The govt. would NOT build the Panama Canal in 2012. Nor the Hoover Dam. Or pretty much anything else. Hell, they can't even let a private company build the Keystone pipeline.
But pretty much every "big" impressive thing the U.S. ever built would be illegal to build under current federal regulations.

Romney will lose so bad come November, your fucking heads will spin!

Count on it!

A national sales tax is by far the best way to go. We should be taxing consumption not income. If you are poor and buy little, you pay little. If you are poor but spend a lot, you pay a lot. Same thing if you are rich. It would encourage people to save money and cause people who spend the most money to pay the most in taxes. A millionaire and a poor person would pay the same exact amount of taxes on a flat screen television.

Some items would be tax exempt for everyone (like basic foods needed to survive), other items would be subject to a luxury surtax from anyone, like owning a very heavy gas-guzzling vehicle that erodes our roads faster than a standard vehicle (whether it's a wealthy guy in a new hummer or a poor guy in a 1970s stationwagon) .... but every person would pay the exact same tax amount on the same item no matter who bought it - and it would make no difference how you earned your money, only how you spent it.

The real problem is that student loans are not discharged by bankruptcy. That makes them very safe investments. Private universities are now bundling and packing their loan documents on a derivative market much the same way mortgage companies did with home loans... but these can't be discharged. The solution is a simple law that ties the amount any university can charge to the amount they spend on each student... much like the law that now requires insurance premium increases to be tied to the amount of money spent by the insurer on the insured.

You are confused. Those groups will all fold soon enough. Citizens United, the destruction of unions and the rise of super PACs means you can now fund a presidential campaign with only a handful of ultra-wealthy sponsors. When 10 or 12 people can fund the election of a president and congress, the president and congress will do whatever those 10 or 12 people want. The koch brothers are leading the charge... they are oil men. The environment is on borrowed time. Just ask BP about the oil spill that nobody ever went to jail for.... :2 cents:

Relentless, I agree 100% on your first two points.

On your third point...I hope that we do indeed get rid of SOME of the environmental regulations. I think they were needed...and then (like everything) went too far.

The devil is in the details. We should get rid of some and add others. That doesn't matter a lick until we have people in congress and the whitehouse whose goal is to add the right ones and remove the right ones. The first step to getting that is to yank the money out of the election system.

Citizens United is the most important political event in the entire history of our country (that is not hyperbole). It will in fact end our democracy within 100 years. It allows corporations or wealthy individuals to give an unlimited amount of money AND not disclose who they gave it to. When Goldman Sachs gives 1Billion to each candidate in the presidential election and neither Goldman nor the candidates have to tell anyone it happened... who do you think the president will be listening to... regardless of which 'party' wins.

Everything else is a distraction for the sheep :2 cents:

Dick Cheney was a contemptible douche bag. He was a greedy, manipulative, lying, power hungry, war profiteering ass, who literally shot his fucking friend in the fucking face!

Ryan on the other hand, is much more dangerous. He claims to be in it for HIS OWN morality decisions, which should send shivers down the spine of anyone in the "adult industry".

Also, W would drink a beer and snort a line once in a while, while Mittens is so fucked up, he's a fucking MORMON!

Think about that shit for a bit, before you respond.

Thank you.

Tax cuts. = Less spending by Government.

Less spending by Government. = Cuts in jobs.

People getting an extra $50 a week in their wage packet = More imports.

It's simplified, yet look at places that have cut spending and the job losses that have resulted. Spain, Greece, Portugal, Eire, UK. The Dogma of cutting taxes will lead to more spending more jobs, is going back to the times when most goods in US shops were made in the US. Now they're made outside the US, it's an old fashioned model.

So shuffle where the taxes are paid. You still pay the same amount or maybe more if it's a sales tax. You being so wealthy. :Oh crap

Would make sense if your private medical care wasn't the most expensive in the world. :Oh crap

And less would be built if their were tax cuts. :Oh crap

We could rape the Earth more just to put some more money in your pocket so you can buy an even bigger gas guzzling SUV. Which is likely to be imported or built from imported parts in the US. Should I remind you of the Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill or Exon Valdiz?

Or the present mess which was private bankers without enough Government control gambling the world close to a Depression and the Governments bailing us all out. They could of let them sink and us with them.

Bring the troops home and stop fighting wars.
And then what? Build extra barracks or fire them? Stop shooting American bullets, missiles, etc to allow people to get tax cuts. Great ideas, more people can buy even more imported jobs while 10,000 of troops are unemployed and workers in arms factories join them. Great combination to put on the streets.

What Robbie has failed to show where cutting taxes will bring more prosperity to the USA or for that matter the EU. We both now import far far too much and more money in shoppers pockets = more imports. The Chinese will love you for it.

Sadly the sheep are impressed by the big spending campaigns don't see who is paying and realise why.

30-40 years ago I would of loved to get tax cuts. It was a time when the UK imported far less and exported far more. So spending in the shops would lead to more production in the UK. Today it's a different world.

So will anyone here asking for tax cuts in any way lie to support those cuts by losing even more customers, or having their roads repaired less or less policemen on their streets, etc? Or maybe all of these cut backs in spendings.

Would they support a Government department with the task of tracking down sites primarily using piracy to turn a profit or the payment processors and advertisers on the piracy site? AK is doing a tremendous job, yet it's always "Wack a Mole" until the big arm of Government get's involved. Visa could exterminate most in a few weeks.