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Robbie 08-23-2012 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19140677)
The numbers they talk about are from 2006. Its been all over the news that many things are becoming antibiotic resistant these days including treatable STDs.

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19140680)
Exactly.

Those are the numbers...but if you scroll down they tell you much, much more. And the treatment they give is an intramuscular injection of penicillin.

As far as I can tell the MSNBC story is (like many MSNBC stories) just not correct. No pill is going to cure it (like the MSNBC story claims)

The CDC is the authority in the U.S.
IF the treatment were to change, then they would say so I would assume.

One thing is for sure though...one intramuscular shot of a specific antibiotic (which the CDC says is penicillin) cures syphilis

Robbie 08-23-2012 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19141182)

But essentially i was talking about if you DO NOT have the Syphallis virus then taking antibiotics for it will NOT 'prevent" it and, in the end, make it harder for you to fight off the strain if you DO get it.

I've seen you say that many times in this thread as if you were responding to someone. But I can't find where anybody has said to take antibiotics as a "preventative". (and it's not a "virus")

PornoMonster 08-23-2012 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19141455)
I've seen you say that many times in this thread as if you were responding to someone. But I can't find where anybody has said to take antibiotics as a "preventative". (and it's not a "virus")

He is just getting confused because they told everyone to get the shot.

He doesn't understand it isn't a preventative, but that IF everyone or someone has it, that it will put a stop to it all in a week or so, HA.

Just like if I go get tested, they say do you want the pills now, or wait for your test.

Robbie 08-23-2012 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 19141472)
He is just getting confused because they told everyone to get the shot.

He doesn't understand it isn't a preventative, but that IF everyone or someone has it, that it will put a stop to it all in a week or so, HA.

Just like if I go get tested, they say do you want the pills now, or wait for your test.

Oh I see the confusion.

And yes...you are 100% correct. Anyone who THINKS they might have come in contact should go to the doctor and tell your doctor that you MIGHT have come in contact with it.

Your doctor will test you and treat you even before the test comes back. And this whole thing would be over in a week. No need to have all this discussion and press releases about it (which the govt. is going to use against our industry)

The Porn Nerd 08-23-2012 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19141455)
I've seen you say that many times in this thread as if you were responding to someone. But I can't find where anybody has said to take antibiotics as a "preventative". (and it's not a "virus")

True, I use the word 'virus' in a general way but Syphallis is not a virus.

And I'm getting my threads mixed up, too. LOL In others people were saying how it's "better to be safe than sorry" when it comes to taking these shots. But again i say if you don't have Syphallis then getting a shot will not prevent it and could cause you more problems in the future...

Anyway, we did call the CDC directly and they said that they will be investigating this issue. They also said no Industry should be "policing itself" in cases like this.

The problem, as if it needs to be stated but I'll state it anyway, is that sex workers - many of whom escort - can spread Syphallis MUCH quicker than if it were a case of a "civilian" coming down with this. Shit, most performers escort, do parties, private shoots, on and on, so this could spread like wildfire especially if people think going back to work after 7-10 days means they're healed (which they aren't; 90 days to be safe).

The Porn Nerd 08-23-2012 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19141478)
Oh I see the confusion.

And yes...you are 100% correct. Anyone who THINKS they might have come in contact should go to the doctor and tell your doctor that you MIGHT have come in contact with it.

Your doctor will test you and treat you even before the test comes back. And this whole thing would be over in a week. No need to have all this discussion and press releases about it (which the govt. is going to use against our industry)

You are correct as well Robbie: IF performers went to their doctors and got treatment this shit WOULD be over in a week etc.

The problem is that the fucktards in this business think taking mandatory shots will innoculate them and then everything will be fine. But they WON'T be fine and will spread this shit unknowingly because they're fucktards.

eroticsexxx 08-23-2012 09:52 AM

I'm just waiting for the conspiracy theory to surface that this is a way for those in the adult industry to be dosed with some new virus or libido-reducing agent.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

DamianJ 08-23-2012 09:57 AM

Listen to Dr Robbie kids, I am sure with the years he spent on medical education he knows what is what.

Robbie 08-23-2012 10:03 AM

Here's a new wrinkle.

Just read a post by Angel from ExploitedMoms over on Xbiz where he looked up this info:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Will_a_per...#ixzz24Np4mQQR

Looks like if you EVER have syphilis in your entire life, you will ALWAYS test positive even though you no longer have it!
Holy shit.

How the fuck can that be accounted for then? Sounds like Markus is telling the truth if that is the case. And if so...then how would any test for syphilis be reliable?

If this is indeed the case, then it throws the whole idea of testing for syphilis in the toilet.

Qbert 08-23-2012 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19141520)
Here's a new wrinkle.

Just read a post by Angel from ExploitedMoms over on Xbiz where he looked up this info:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Will_a_per...#ixzz24Np4mQQR

Looks like if you EVER have syphilis in your entire life, you will ALWAYS test positive even though you no longer have it!
Holy shit.

How the fuck can that be accounted for then? Sounds like Markus is telling the truth if that is the case. And if so...then how would any test for syphilis be reliable?

If this is indeed the case, then it throws the whole idea of testing for syphilis in the toilet.

Syphilis tests don't list as positive or negative, it lists a level of antibodies present. Someone that has been exposed and treated will have a very low number, someone more recently infected and untreated will have a much much higher number.

The Porn Nerd 08-23-2012 10:17 AM

It's the TYPE of tests they are using. DIFFERANT tests are accurate, the current tests are inadequate.

This is why we called the CDC, so that qualified health professionals can comment on all this. But basically it's this:

IF you had Syphallis in your life then the antibiotics to treat the bacteria is forever in your system (just like when you get a flu shot). But if you think you have Syphallis AGAIN then you need a differant test administered.

This assumes the person getting tested is being honest with the tester and saying if he or she has had Syphallis in the past. What if they don't fess up? Hmmm....

Robbie 08-23-2012 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19141545)
It's the TYPE of tests they are using. DIFFERANT tests are accurate, the current tests are inadequate.

This is why we called the CDC, so that qualified health professionals can comment on all this. But basically it's this:

IF you had Syphallis in your life then the antibiotics to treat the bacteria is forever in your system (just like when you get a flu shot). But if you think you have Syphallis AGAIN then you need a differant test administered.

This assumes the person getting tested is being honest with the tester and saying if he or she has had Syphallis in the past. What if they don't fess up? Hmmm....

I don't see why they would ever give the test that could be inaccurate. Doesn't make sense.

If there is a test which is accurate for people who have had it in the past, then it seems to me THAT is the test that needs to be industry standard. Am I thinking right on that? Because the scenario of NOT telling that you had it in the past (because of embarrassment) is exactly what Markus said he did.

CaptainHowdy 08-23-2012 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 19141096)
I'm calling my urologist right away :Oh crap ...

The urologist's secretary just hanged up on me ...

The Porn Nerd 08-23-2012 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19141556)
I don't see why they would ever give the test that could be inaccurate. Doesn't make sense.

If there is a test which is accurate for people who have had it in the past, then it seems to me THAT is the test that needs to be industry standard. Am I thinking right on that? Because the scenario of NOT telling that you had it in the past (because of embarrassment) is exactly what Markus said he did.

Exactly. The new test - or maybe not 'new' but 'most accurate' - SHOULD be "Industry standard" but it is not. I'm guessing cost? After all, you can get 'partial' STD tests that some producers/performers will accept while others will not. I know that the 'partial' test is cheaper so perhaps that's the case with the Syphallis tests.

I wonder how often Syphallis is tested for in the US anyway. Perhaps another reason why not all facilities have the most up-to-date tests?

DWB 08-23-2012 10:59 AM

Wait until porn valley gets hit with the drug resistant strains of gonorrhea and chlamydia that we have in Asia. You think you have problems now... you ain't seen nothing yet. It took me 3 months to kill a drug resistant strain of gonorrhea once that I think I picked up in the Philippines.

eroticsexxx 08-23-2012 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19141641)
Wait until porn valley gets hit with the drug resistant strains of gonorrhea and chlamydia that we have in Asia. You think you have problems now... you ain't seen nothing yet. It took me 3 months to kill a drug resistant strain of gonorrhea once that I think I picked up in the Philippines.

3 months?

:Oh crap

Radical Bucks 08-23-2012 11:26 AM

LA is the Sodom and Gomorrah.

No one in the LA porn industry has self respect or concerns for his or her own life and or health.

Los Angeles is also known as the City of Lost Souls or Lost Angels.

It's all about money and AVN awards.

PornoMonster 08-23-2012 11:31 AM

WAIT

Ok I might be wrong, but the Test everyone is talking about is for anti bodies a quick test, which from a post can always show positive, ok.

Now the Grow test, which takes several days is if the bacteria grow then that is if you do or do not have it, correct???

Quentin 08-23-2012 01:16 PM

For those confused about whether there are strains of syphilis that are drug resistant, the answer is: "Yes, but..."

Syphilis is resistant to some antibiotics, but so far as I can tell, there is no data showing that any strain of syphilis is resistant to penicillin G benzathine specifically, and that's the antibiotic of choice for treating syphilis under CDC guidelines.

The best explanation (albeit a sort of technical one) that I've found comes from this article.

Here's the key portion of that article, IMO:

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Effective antibiotic treatment is a key component of syphilis control programs (4). According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) 2006 guidelines, the recommended treatment for uncomplicated, early syphilis in adults is penicillin G benzathine administered intramuscularly (i.m.) as a single dose of 2.4 million units (MU) (4). This form of the drug provides weeks of treponemicidal levels of penicillin in the blood, though it does not efficiently cross the blood-brain barrier (39, 48; for further details on the form and dose of penicillin for treatment of syphilis, see reference 4.) Because there are no proven alternatives to penicillin for treatment of infected pregnant women, those who are penicillin allergic should be desensitized and then treated with penicillin G benzathine. Despite over 65 years of extensive clinical experience with penicillin, the need to administer this antibiotic parenterally has led to the use of second-line oral antibiotics, including macrolides (e.g., erythromycin and azithromycin) and tetracyclines (e.g., tetracycline and doxycycline), as first-line drugs for treatment of syphilis. This use of alternative antibiotics, which is inconsistent with current CDC guidelines, occurs more frequently outside the United States (76). The resistance of T. pallidum to macrolides as well as two additional classes of antibiotics is discussed below.

Macrolide resistance.
Macrolides are bacteriostatic antibiotics that inhibit protein synthesis by binding reversibly to 23S rRNA of the 50S ribosomal subunit (80). Shortly after introduction of erythromycin, the first macrolide, in the 1950s, resistance to this antibiotic was observed in several bacterial pathogens (61). Failure of erythromycin treatment for syphilis was reported by South et al. (69) in 1964 and Fenton and Light (15) in 1976 in pregnant women who delivered infants with congenital syphilis. However, since erythromycin may not efficiently cross the placental barrier, it is unknown if these treatment failures were actually due to erythromycin-resistant T. pallidum (55). In 1977, T. pallidum Street strain 14 was isolated from a U.S. patient with active lesions of secondary syphilis who failed long-term erythromycin therapy (74, 75). Studies by Stamm et al. (73, 74), using an in vitro assay to assess the effect of antibiotics on treponemal protein synthesis, showed that Street strain 14 is resistant to high levels of erythromycin and cross resistant to azithromycin, a newer macrolide that was approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in the early 1990s. In vivo studies with the rabbit model of syphilis confirmed that Street strain 14 is resistant to erythromycin and azithromycin (37). Interestingly, the macrolide-resistant phenotype of Street strain 14 is highly stable, despite multiple passages in laboratory rabbits in the absence of antibiotic pressure (41; L. V. Stamm, unpublished data).
Not exactly light reading, but even with all the jargon and terms of art, you can see what the bottom line is: penicillin G benzathine is the only antibiotic proven to treat syphilis reliably, but there are those who are allergic or otherwise highly sensitive to penicillin, and those who have problems with parenteral administration of drugs (for reasons either medical or psychological), and such patients will often request an alternative to penicillin that might not be effective. It also appears that outside the U.S., the use of penicillin to treat syphilis is not as automatic as it is in the U.S., where physicians are generally going to abide by the CDC recommendations by default.

DWB 08-24-2012 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by eroticsexxx (Post 19141670)
3 months?

:Oh crap

Yup. I am highly allergic to penicillin so I wasn't able to get that, however, the new strains over here are also resistant to that I read. So now they have a couple of different cocktails to use on people. If one doesn't work, they use another.

The problem is sex tourist destinations like Thailand and Philippines attract guys (whore mongers) from literally all over the world. You have strains of STDs and HIV coming in from Africa, India, China, USA, South America, Europe, then mixing with the local strains, creating super strains that are drug resistant and not always easy to get rid of. Not everyone catches one of the nasty ones, but it is here.

Considering how many US male talent is now coming to Thailand (many come in secret) for either work or holiday and having sex with the girls and ladyboys here, it's only a matter of time before they bring back some really nasty stuff and pass it around porn valley.

Emma 08-24-2012 08:33 AM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/...85_634x102.jpg

Mr Marcus takes the blame for syphilis outbreak that closed the industry after hiding his test results.


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