Doors were all reinforced after 9/11.

Let me put this in another light for you:

Before 9/11 how many planes have ever been hijacked?

How many hijacking attempts by organized groups were thwarted by passengers? According to you, some must have been. Can you find any examples?

son, life is going to suck for you.

well, well....... well, long time no see on here:winkwink:

I could use google to look up the number of hijacked planes that went on... i beleive most of them had guns?


Anyway....can you show me proof that the cockpit doors were opened? They recovered the box from the one that hit the pentagon. It shows that the cockpit doors were never opened.

Since the super ninjas didn't actually rush up and slice anyone's throat, the official story is that they herded everyone to the back of the plane. You can fool the door sensor if it is shut before 4 seconds. However i don't buy it. Most likely the sensor would have gone off.
Look it up that is information provided by the NTSB
you can look at it yourself

March 17, 1970: Eastern Air Lines Shuttle Flight 1320, carrying passengers from Newark to Boston was hijacked around 7:30 P.M. by John J. Divivo who was armed with a .38 caliber revolver.

Captain Robert Wilbur Jr., 35, a former Air Force pilot who had only been promoted to captain six months prior, was shot in his arm by the suicidal hijacker. With a .38 slug in his arm and bleeding profusely, he flew his aircraft safely to a landing while talking to the tower, telling them his copilot was shot (but not himself) and needed an ambulance.

His copilot, First Officer James Hartley, 31, was shot without warning by Divivo and collapsed. Divivo then turned the gun on the captain, causing his arm injury.

Despite being fatally wounded Hartley recovered sufficiently to rip the gun from Divivo's hand, and shoot the would-be hijacker three times before lapsing into unconsciousness, and eventually death. Although wounded and slumped between the seats, Divivo arose and began clawing at Captain Wilbur, attempting to force a crash.

Wilbur hit Divivo over the head with the gun he had retrieved from the center console. The pilot was able to land the plane safely at Logan International Airport, and the hijacker was arrested immediately.

On November 1, 1970, DiVivo hanged himself while awaiting trial at Charles Street Jail.


Note: Maybe if DiVivo was armed with a boxcutter instead of a gun it would have gone smoother.

I think you're misunderstanding my point. I'm not arguing that they carried out the attacks. Only the people involved know for sure. You were wondering what did they have to gain from the PATRIOT ACT. I just pointed out that they wouldn't have done it (passed the PATRIOT ACT) if they had nothing to gain from it.

It's a well known fact that the PNAC required a 'new Pearl Harbor' for their plans of world domination to stand a chance. Whether they organized it and carried it out or whether they 'merely' allowed it to happen and/or helped it along is debatable.

What is absolutely impossible for me to believe though, is that 19 people carried out the attacks alone, without any assistance or blind eyes being turned.

So you can't find any examples or passengers stopping an organized group of hijackers? Seems like a lot of words to say that in.

I've already broken my own rule and posted in this thread. I'm not going to continue to waste my time so enjoy yourselves guys.

I am done also.
I have sworn off these types of threads for a long time...However today i wanted a little fun.

:)

2 planes hit the world trade center, 1 plane hit the pentagon, and 1 crashed in a field in pennsylvania on this date, 2001. The End.

Now go to bed.

Even worse :

It was Newt Gingrich, the guy who cheated on his first wife while she was in the hospital dying of cancer, who got Bill Clinton Impeached.

And don't forget that Daddy Dubya is a bazillionaire in bed with the Saudis and every other rich fuck. Dubya and pals walked away clean from the crime of the century thanks to megabucks.

WRT to the passengers doing nothing. It was conventional wisdom that in the event of a hijack the best course of action would be to co-operate with the hijackers who, before 9/11, could be expected to make some demands, land the plane and eventually give themselves up or be taken out by a special forces unit.

The hijackers may have only been armed with knives, but they may have claimed to have a bomb planted too, and who'd be willing to take the risk that they were lying?

So whatever else, I think passengers doing 'nothing' would be normal and even sensible, without knowing what we all know now.

It depends what else happened on the plane, of course, and at what point the passengers realized the hijackers had a different purpose for the planes.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=p5tyb98gCQ8

Building 7 seems more suspicious to me than anything. Why would it collapse from a smallish fire inside?

Like the official JFK assassination records, sealed away until 2040 and beyond, I suspect the official records for this and certain other occurances on 9/11 will simply never be seen. Ever.

Seems to be the way of things with governments, of many countries, not just the US.

that's nothing...2012 years later there are still morons that believe that a magical being created everything in 6 days...around 6000 years ago...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ikKxE_HXrzg

10 seconds! It took me exactly 10 seconds to find footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLEqjpHVPhM

What is your excuse, you dumb fucking imbecile! I'm so fucking tired of you idiots. So fucking tired! You're also going on ignore. Fucking retard.

And as always once you show them what they ask for they will ignore it and move on to the next part of their never ending conspiracy. Truthers are seriously some of the saddest people i can think of.

SUPERMAN DID IT.

I dare you to prove that he didn't.

You have not provided any footage of the hijackers BOARDING planes, as was my original statement.

But here's something for you to research further, should you feel so inclined...

Hours before the House version of the first Patriot Act went to a vote, "technical corrections" were inserted into the body of the legislation whereby foreign security companies such as ICTS-International would be immune from lawsuits related to the events of 9/11. Talk about not being available for deposition! This "Patriot" act legislative sleight of hand occurred before the inception of the 9/11 Commission when Fearless Leader George W. Bush was still resisting the very IDEA of an investigation into 9/11. Hence, in the face of an institutional cover-up, citizens were denied the possibility of a discovery process which is normally afforded to litigants. Without such discovery process, ICTS-International would never be compelled by a court of law to give testimony and show evidence related to the missing airport video surveillance tapes of 9/11 or any other aspect of security measures in place on 9/11.



Feel free to follow up on these unanswered questions as well, to set the record straight...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-una...stions-of-911/

I don't for a second doubt that they couldn't have passed the Patriot Act without the 9/11 attacks or something very similar to it happening.

But what did they gain from it? It was passed as a way for our leaders to "prove" to us that they were taking steps to keep us safe. There is a chance it might have helped some people get elected, but had 9/11 never happened there is a good chance many of them would have gotten elected as well.

I still don't see a net gain from either orchestrating this or allowing it to happen.

What does George W Bush have right now, today, that he wouldn't have had if 9/11 never happened? I would make the argument that he would be better off today had it never happened. As it sits right now there are a lot of people who consider him one of the worst presidents in history. He started two wars we likely didn't need to fight and over saw the largest economic collapse since the depression. He doesn't appear to have gained a whole lot from it.

Hulk Hogan did it

http://youtu.be/YQWqJd9PYz0

Go fix the roof, loser. Your break is over.

Because the government has everyone believing that's how buildings are designed. You see, they collapse straight down into their own footprint at free fall speed to prevent damage to surrounding structures.

Most people naturally think buildings are designed to be safe and protect the occupants but the cost goes up considerably when you design something with safety in mind.

A president that knows what's going on? That would be a first.

Just so I make sure I understand you suggest that Bush either carried out 9/11 or turned a blind eye and allowed it to happen so that some of his friends could benefit from the military spending that would follow shortly after the attack. Correct?

According to the truthers there were no hijackers. So all those phonecalls from people inside the planes to 911 and friends and families have to be fakes. As many of those calls can be heard in documentaries where the include the names of the people who made those calls that means those people have to be involved in the conspiracy. They either went on a suicide mission or have to hide for the rest of their lives. Or all their friends and families are also part of the conspiracy. Either way is just totally fucking ridiculous. But again stuff like this doesn't bother the truthers. Hijackers hijacking a plane? IIIMMMPOOSSSIBLE!
Dozens of people involved in the conspiracy just for the phonecall parts? Sure, why not.

And no hijackers means either the pilots went on a suicide mission or they guided the plane from a distance. This last option means A LOT of people have to be involved in this. Once again, both options are borderline insane. BUT ofcourse this won't stop the truther because to them that is more likely than hijackers.

And you can go on and on and on. If you believe the truther there are 50 similar insane situations, one after the other with eacht situation between 10 and 100 people involved. And all of those situations are more likely than a group of muslim hijackers.

A truther also never believes in 1 conspiracy. Everything is a conspiracy to them. Even conspiracies within conspiracies.
I mean a plane entering the Pentagon wasn't enough. For some reason 10 years ago some truther imbecile starter crying about a missile. It made absolutely no sense because a plane was on its way to the Pentagon but hey why not. Let's create another conspiracy. Once we create that then we'll create the stories to back it up. Ok, plane was replaced by a missile. Plane was sent to the ocean and shot there.
Again tons of people would have been involved with that from pilots to air controlers, to dozens of people firing off a missile etc etc. But that won't stop the truther.

I could go on and on. You'll end up with 1000's of people who have to be involved in one way or the other.
Any sane person would instantly see this is completely ridicilous. But not the truther. Because to them this is highly likely and a group of hijackers taking over a plane is impossible.
This really was my last post in this thread. I have everyone on ignore anyway.

Let me just say it one more time. You imbecile truthers are some of the saddest and dumbest people walking on this earth

So if George Bush was behind 9/11 or whatever conspiracy theory, then who was behind the first world trade center bombing that happened many years before? Was it the real thing that time?

Everything that isn't based on fact is considered "theory". Thanks to video, we all got to witness the facts first hand. The only things we know for sure are two planes hit the towers, something hit the Pentagon and Building 7 collapsed like a perfectly executed demo job. Everything else was carefully fed to the world to explain the events.

As a general rule these type of events are inside jobs, the exceptions to that rule are rare.

Marvelous job of putting my thoughts into words, too. :thumbsup

because its plain to see it wasnt an airplane hitting maybe?

serious sidenote: where did the engines go? 6 tons (each) of titanium-steel vaporized? anyone who believes THAT must have slept in school ... remember: melting point (more than 1,650 °C or 3,000 °F) ...

lol, according to the official report the "wings folded" ... lmao ... ridiculous ... hilarious

I don't know why you keep trying to personalize it to Bush. I haven't mentioned him. I've already stated in a reply to you what I think, but I'll repeat it:

Whether they [neo-cons/'Military Industrial Complex'] organized it and carried it out or whether they 'merely' allowed it to happen and/or helped it along is debatable.

What is absolutely impossible for me to believe though, is that 19 people carried out the attacks alone, without any assistance or blind eyes being turned.

:1orglaugh :thumbsup:thumbsup

..this..

Either way, 9/11 was a huge failure of our government yet no one was punished.

Please name these neo-cons/Military Industrial Complex individuals.

It seems a lot more likely to me that 19 people who have been taught to hate this country since they were old enough to walk and who believe if they die attacking this country they will go to a heaven where they will get to fuck 72 virgins got motivated, came here, had a plan and carried it out than it is that a group of high powered individuals somehow either convinced this group to do such a thing and die for their cause or that they knew this was going to happen and purposely not only turned the other way, but put us in a position where weren't going to be able to react in time to stop it.

:thumbsup :1orglaugh :thumbsup :1orglaugh

Is it normal for BBC World News to report on an incident 20 minutes BEFORE it actually happens?



https://youtube.com/watch?v=Sd_ISBIq1OM

It was a dirty job, but someone had to do it :1orglaugh

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...99522665_n.jpg

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...86023179_n.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_lxHkFGQPc9...ed-reduced.jpg

Would seem pretty obvious to anyone who isn't thoroughly insane that all of the metal on that pic practically has been cut because they are in the middle of cleaning up the debris.

Additionally, the panels are interlocking (male end inserted into female) and have flat surfaces on the ends anyway.
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM...Eagar/fig0.gif

This was massive and had thousand of witnesses who say it all unfold live right in front of them.

It's like a car accident. Seven people can see things from four different angles and come up with five different versions of what happened.

A pilot from a hotel room a mile away saw a jet air plane, but your going to believe the taxi cab driver who saw "something like a missile" fly by at 500 mph in a flash? Why believe one and not the other?

Not at all.

The towers were made to withstand an impact of a smaller plane at a much slower rate of speed. It was built to withstand the impact of a plane that was at take off speed that might be "lost" over NYC. No one imagined that someone would intentionally ram a plane at high speed. And btw, the buildings did in fact withstand the impact.

As for falling down "in it's footprint", it really didn't fall down at all. It collapsed. Onto itself. The support for nearly twenty floors eventually gave way, and it fell... Just like it would during a controlled demo. During a controlled demo they take out the supports which is pretty much what happened.

I mean, seriously. You fucking saw the airplane hit. We all did. But it has to have been something else, right? Because a massive fucking airplane smashing into a tower at 600 mph would never destroy a building, right?

And your point?

Before 9/11 it wouldn't have been difficult at all for four unarmed men to over take a stewardess or two and storm a cockpit.

And before 9/11, no one imagined that anyone was going to intentionally fly a plane into a building. The rule back then was to give them what they wanted so "no one got hurt".

made in China :thumbsup

"New Pearl Harbor"

Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event??like a new Pearl Harbor" (51).[14]

Though not arguing that Bush administration PNAC members were complicit in those attacks, other social critics such as commentator Manuel Valenzuela and journalist Mark Danner,[39][40][41] investigative journalist John Pilger, in New Statesman,[42] and former editor of The San Francisco Chronicle Bernard Weiner, in CounterPunch,[43] all argue that PNAC members used the events of 9/11 as the "Pearl Harbor" that they needed??that is, as an "opportunity" to "capitalize on" (in Pilger's words), in order to enact long-desired plans

I've never heard of this idiot, but let's see what he has to say.
That's about some stupid bullshit right there. That's like saying "Some jackass walked into a bank and shot someone during a robbery" and then blaming it on the police saying they didn't prevent the gun man before hand.

Did airport security fail that morning? Dunno? I don't even know if box cutters were illegal prior to 9/11. Does it matter? If it wasn't box cutters it would have been something else. Hell, I flew on Hawaiian Airlines yesterday (9/11/2012) and I was a bit surprised they gave us forks to eat with.

Did the Air Force fail? Prior to 9/11 were they tasked with policing civilian airliners? Aren't there legal restrictions to how the US military can act on US soil? Did NORAD Fail? Was it their job to track civilian airliners in the US? Funny, because I always thought their radar was tasked with tracking Russian bombers coming over the North Pole and what not.

All this fucker is doing is pointing fingers saying "do you honestly expect a group of Arabs tricked the CIA?". No, not at all. No one saw them coming. Again, its just like a gun man at a bank - you don't point you fingers at the highway patrol saying "why didn't you stop him".