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The Porn Nerd 09-15-2012 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19191619)
I think you're way off-base if you're talking about the big generic porn companies ("mainstream porn" as you called it)

As Mutt pointed out earlier...all their shit is vignette based and pretty tame and lame. Brazzers stuff is getting lighter and lighter as Fabian gets more worried and listens to too many lawyers...they just dropped one of their sites a few weeks ago that was themed about porn stars wanting rough sex and sent out notices to us affiliates the it didn't "fit" with Brazzers anymore.

Naughty America is also one of the biggest "mainstream" as you call it...generic as I call it, porn companies. Claudia Marie has shot with them many times, and I've been an affiliate since they were called SoCal Cash back in the day...they have ALWAYS been super vanilla and tame. They have a list of rules when they shoot to make sure that the girl isn't degraded in any way at all.

Twistys Hardcore has never, ever shot anything like you're describing.

The only big generic companies that did were Nasty Dollars...and they kinda went "soft" in comparison to the old days. The last 7 years or so of their content have been pretty much looking exactly like Naughty America's stuff. Which is what Brazzers did too. Copied the NA style and even stole their directors.

They all use the same girls and guys, same directors, same ideas.

None of them are on the level of Kink or Max Hardcore's stuff.

So I have to disagree with you on that point.

As for your main concept...Look, people like different shit. You hate seeing the girl nailed rough. Other guys LOVE it. Some guys like tiny, skinny anorexic girls. Some guys like obese women. Some guys dig watching girls do anal. Some guys are disgusted by it.

It's all fantasy and there are plenty of people who enjoy different things.

And yes, that even includes the women in the scenes. Some girls in this business HATE sex and have a general hatred of men. And conversely I know lots of girls who LOVE sex and can't fuck enough. And some girls who just like romantically "making love"...and some girls who actually enjoy gangbangs.

And when the right girl is matched to the right type of scene...you get fireworks and a great scene.
You would be up on what's being shot today much more so than I would be so i concede that "mainstream" (or generic) porn companies are moving in the dirction of more "vanilla"-type sex scenes. That's a good thing, IMHO.

As to niches: Hey, I totally agree that guys are into differant things, sometimes even the same guy (I know I'm like that, with a shockingly wide variety of tastes). But again I think those people tend to gravitate towards the niche sites...

The other major point going on here is a general 'watering down" of content for all genres of entertainment (music, tv, movies). A few years ago (say, 15-20) there were limited outlets for entertainment, as in only so many radio stations in a market, or national tv channels, or movies being produced. But now there are 500+ tv channels, more movies than ever being made to meet the DVD and overseas markets, etc. So naturally the "talent pool" for all these endeavors ain't what they used to be...

I'm just wondering if porn can evolve and change enough to survive.

Robbie 09-15-2012 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19191700)
I'm just wondering if porn can evolve and change enough to survive.
My guess is it doesn't need to "evolve" You probably notice that I have a bit of disdain for the words "evolve", "adapt", "innovate".

Not because I don't think that actually doing those things isn't great...I just believe that the foundation of what we do is a hot sex scene. Yes, we can show them better and better quality pics and vids as technology increases. Yes, there will be TRULY different delivery methods in the future (I'm talking about sci-fi sounding interactive porn where you are basically having real sex with a hologram kind of stuff and NOT what is called "innovating" today where you put a tube script up on auto pilot).

But the bottom line is...age old sexual fantasies and "taboo" that have been at the core of human beings sexuality since the first cave man scrawled a pic on a wall of a cave woman getting fucked doggystyle will not change unless human beings suddenly are genetically altered.

The only thing that will happen in the future as far as "evolving" will just be the natural progression to different formats...like was done with Mobile. But just like with Mobile porn...it won't make that big of a deal in sales in some cases. In other ways that haven't yet been invented we may hit an entirely NEW way to deliver porn (like when CD's first came out for music and everyone updated their record collections)

Either way....that's stuff for tech geniuses at ITT to come up with.

Our job is to shoot hot scenes that get a man's dick hard and make him cum while jerking off. Nothing more, nothing less when you get right down to the heart of the matter.

Ecchi22 09-15-2012 04:18 PM
What about getting more female customers in porn? :)

I'm wondering whats the global ratio man/woman (if it even exist)..

pornlaw 09-15-2012 04:35 PM
With the mainstreaming of "50 Shades" I dont see that content going anywhere anytime soon.

I represent James Deen and I can tell you that mainstream is calling across the board - movies, television, commercials and books - and they want that BDSM edge he brings. Its been brought up in every conversation and meeting.

Because of "The Canyons" he is about to represent that genre of porn and its only going to grow.

Ive never seen a male pornstar with such a ravenous female fan base. They love this guy and they range from 14-40.

If anything I see that part of porn growing even further.


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MaDalton 09-15-2012 05:33 PM
i can say that www.saboom.com is definitely something different

Robbie 09-15-2012 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19191983)
i can say that www.saboom.com is definitely something different
I think we discussed that over on XBiz forum one day.

And when I looked at Saboom....it reminded me of the old interactive feeds from PornHolio back in the late 1990's/early 2000's.
Pretty much exactly the same.

Those old Pornholio interactive feeds let you choose the positions, what type of sex, where the cumshot went, etc.
They just filmed different versions of the scenes and the viewer was able "direct" (they didn't call it "interactive" yet) the movie in any way they wanted.

So no...I don't think it's really different.

What IS different is AEBN's new cam site that has the girl using the interactive "joystick" and the customer using the RealTouch so that he actually feels on his cock everything that the girl is doing live on webcam with the "joystick" (an interactive dildo with pressure sensitive surface)

Paul Markham 09-15-2012 11:38 PM
Anyone that thinks the niche or the style is the essence of porn is deluded.

This goes for those who think it's about traffic, split testing, one tour over another. Or any of the other things many worry about here.

Paul Markham 09-16-2012 01:55 AM
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1081758 while you discuss whether one porn is better than another. Take a read and find out what porn's really about.

The Porn Nerd 09-16-2012 07:23 AM
Technology and the way porn is delivered to the end consumer will change and evolve but if the performances remain "intense" the same old issues still apply.

BFT3K 09-16-2012 07:39 AM
Want to see a big change in the porn industry?

Vote for Romney - THEN you'll see what "change" looks like.

MaDalton 09-16-2012 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19192107)
I think we discussed that over on XBiz forum one day.

And when I looked at Saboom....it reminded me of the old interactive feeds from PornHolio back in the late 1990's/early 2000's.
Pretty much exactly the same.

Those old Pornholio interactive feeds let you choose the positions, what type of sex, where the cumshot went, etc.
They just filmed different versions of the scenes and the viewer was able "direct" (they didn't call it "interactive" yet) the movie in any way they wanted.

So no...I don't think it's really different.
i dont think anyone remembers (or cares) what was online 10 or 12 years ago - the name pornholio vaguely rings a bell but i have never heard of any interactive stuff from them.

i know there were interactive DVDs, but i dont think they were successful

it's about what is online and available right now - and from that point of view Saboom is different (i never claimed it's something no one else did before).

Paul Markham 09-16-2012 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19192603)
Technology and the way porn is delivered to the end consumer will change and evolve but if the performances remain "intense" the same old issues still apply.
And if they remain fake the same old issues still apply.

Did the bread change when it was no longer delivered on a bike and moved to a van?

davethedope 09-16-2012 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19191100)
Bullshit. Sorry Dave but it is. I've shot girls or been shot with them for 40 years+ and my impression of the majority is they love sex. Some carry baggage, but still enjoy sex. It depends who they are with and how they are treated.
Ah, you don't agree with my sweeping generalization, eh?

Bah, they love being young.

Ask a woman you were shot with 40 years ago if she still loves sex.

I agree though, good content depends as much on the girl as it does with who they're with.

On the other hand, I don't think they should be able to choose their co-stars.

The co-star should want to fuck the girl more than she wants to fuck him.

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The Porn Nerd 09-16-2012 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19192850)
Did the bread change when it was no longer delivered on a bike and moved to a van?
The Zen of Paul Markham. :helpme

Robbie 09-16-2012 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19192640)
i dont think anyone remembers (or cares) what was online 10 or 12 years ago - the name pornholio vaguely rings a bell but i have never heard of any interactive stuff from them.

i know there were interactive DVDs, but i dont think they were successful

it's about what is online and available right now - and from that point of view Saboom is different (i never claimed it's something no one else did before).
Yeah, Pornholio sold live feeds to damn near every pay site online. That was when paysites were mostly pictures and the owners would buy the feeds to have video on their sites.

I was just saying that interactive porn online isn't all that innovative because it's all been done before. Whereas the AEBN combination of the "Joystick" + "Real Touch" webcam set up is something that has never been done up until now.

The Porn Nerd 09-16-2012 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19193411)
Yeah, Pornholio sold live feeds to damn near every pay site online. That was when paysites were mostly pictures and the owners would buy the feeds to have video on their sites.

I was just saying that interactive porn online isn't all that innovative because it's all been done before. Whereas the AEBN combination of the "Joystick" + "Real Touch" webcam set up is something that has never been done up until now.
What's needed is a latex or rubber glove-type device the dude can plug into his USB port. Then the cam model on the other end controls it and strokes him off.

Cha-ching!!

Robbie 09-16-2012 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19193437)
What's needed is a latex or rubber glove-type device the dude can plug into his USB port. Then the cam model on the other end controls it and strokes him off.

Cha-ching!!
That's sort of what the Real Touch and Joystick do.

The cam model has the "Joy Stick" The customer has the "Real Touch"

The Customer puts the Real Touch that is plugged into USB on his cock. The model uses the "joy stick" (pressure sensitive dildo plugged into USB)
Whatever the model does to the JoyStick is done to the customers cock. If she strokes it, he feels it stroking with however much pressure and placement of her hand on the JoyStick. If she sucks it, he feels that. Inserts it, he feels it.

About the closest thing to having sex with somebody online as I've seen.

The Porn Nerd 09-16-2012 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19193461)
That's sort of what the Real Touch and Joystick do.

The cam model has the "Joy Stick" The customer has the "Real Touch"

The Customer puts the Real Touch that is plugged into USB on his cock. The model uses the "joy stick" (pressure sensitive dildo plugged into USB)
Whatever the model does to the JoyStick is done to the customers cock. If she strokes it, he feels it stroking with however much pressure and placement of her hand on the JoyStick. If she sucks it, he feels that. Inserts it, he feels it.

About the closest thing to having sex with somebody online as I've seen.
Great, now I'll never get off the Internet....:)

That sounds fucking wild!!

Paul Markham 09-16-2012 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by davethedope (Post 19192976)
Ah, you don't agree with my sweeping generalization, eh?

Bah, they love being young.

Ask a woman you were shot with 40 years ago if she still loves sex.

I agree though, good content depends as much on the girl as it does with who they're with.

On the other hand, I don't think they should be able to choose their co-stars.

The co-star should want to fuck the girl more than she wants to fuck him.
A lot of what a girl will say or project depends on the person she's with. Whether she's a porn model or girls in a bar.


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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19193228)
The Zen of Paul Markham. :helpme
Just pointing out that what turns a man on isn't effected by the delivery vehicle. Be it 8mm film or virtual reality, little has changed in how to get a cock hard. Some rely to much on "It's the Internet" to sell a product.

MaDalton 09-17-2012 01:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19193461)
That's sort of what the Real Touch and Joystick do.

The cam model has the "Joy Stick" The customer has the "Real Touch"

The Customer puts the Real Touch that is plugged into USB on his cock. The model uses the "joy stick" (pressure sensitive dildo plugged into USB)
Whatever the model does to the JoyStick is done to the customers cock. If she strokes it, he feels it stroking with however much pressure and placement of her hand on the JoyStick. If she sucks it, he feels that. Inserts it, he feels it.

About the closest thing to having sex with somebody online as I've seen.
the downside to this are the insane costs that come with it. the real touch device is far too expensive and then add a couple of dollars per minute... i'm afraid it will never get a broader audience

Cherry7 09-17-2012 01:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19193461)
That's sort of what the Real Touch and Joystick do.

The cam model has the "Joy Stick" The customer has the "Real Touch"

The Customer puts the Real Touch that is plugged into USB on his cock. The model uses the "joy stick" (pressure sensitive dildo plugged into USB)
Whatever the model does to the JoyStick is done to the customers cock. If she strokes it, he feels it stroking with however much pressure and placement of her hand on the JoyStick. If she sucks it, he feels that. Inserts it, he feels it.

About the closest thing to having sex with somebody online as I've seen.
And to take it one stage further, you would have recordings of great fucks, to play back on your joy stick...

notime 09-17-2012 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by The Ghost (Post 19191119)
Going on 16 years in the business.

What I've seen over and over again is this; content trends in this business come in waves.

Harder - Softer - Harder - Softer


Content gets harder and harder until there is a backlash, and customers and producers change their stylings. Then it gets "softer" and ramps back up again out of customer boredom with it being soft.

Customers rare stay into the SAME style of content throughout their life. They experiment and enjoy all different types of content at different times. Their tastes evolve, then possibly revert.



There it is.
Agreed. Like a sinus / cosinus flow over time. Porn is an addiction and addictions need 'more' each time to get the 'rush'.

I kind of like the new arty vids these days. Gagging and girls slapped & crying makes me sick to my stomach.

The Porn Nerd 09-17-2012 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19193695)

Just pointing out that what turns a man on isn't effected by the delivery vehicle. Be it 8mm film or virtual reality, little has changed in how to get a cock hard. Some rely to much on "It's the Internet" to sell a product.
You are absolutely correct in this statement. (That's right, I said it - Paul Markham is RIGHT!)

I remember, years ago, a series of old-timey porn videos called something like "What Got Grandpa Off". And it was "stag films" from the 1920's and 1930's. Everything was in black and white, silent films. And guess what? I whacked off to it.

(Says a lot about me hehe....)

Paul Markham 09-17-2012 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19194330)
You are absolutely correct in this statement. (That's right, I said it - Paul Markham is RIGHT!)

I remember, years ago, a series of old-timey porn videos called something like "What Got Grandpa Off". And it was "stag films" from the 1920's and 1930's. Everything was in black and white, silent films. And guess what? I whacked off to it.

(Says a lot about me hehe....)
Some use "It's the Internet." To forget it's really only porn. Whether you have to go to the shops, get it via the mail or see it online.


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