And again ...

and lol at those white knights here. Those women want to film, nobody is making them film. So who are you to decide for them?

That's the rule rather than the exception. Thumbs up
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& again, yes we are
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the bottom line is everyone needs someome to blame. Just because porn whores decide to do something which they were fully briefed about & have to cause drama due to a jealous husband or a personality disorder, & I end up getting thrown under the bus like I run an illegal tube site or I am fucking bitches while knowingly having syphilis. The trolls need to priortize.
Best,
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Props to ADG for saying what he thinks, even if it's unpopular around here.

I myself have no problems promoting Facial Abuse or any other legal site really.

But I guess it's a pretty fine line. If someone I cared about decided to collect donations on the street by letting people spit in their face for $10, I'd think the person needed help and maybe shouldn't be allowed to do that.. However, it would go against some of my beliefs to tell someone they shouldn't be allowed to do something..

If they were, say, retarded.. Would it change? Should we let retarded people do degrading things for money - because they don't know any better? Or are we supposed to protect them with our superior intelligence? While protecting them, are we helping them find another way to make money, or are we just stopping what we find offensive and not providing an alternative? Is that worse?

So if a down on her luck whore whose likely addicted to something wants to do this to pay rent, should we "protect her" with our high and mighty beliefs? I dunno. I'd say no.

Duke, can you tell us where *you* draw the line? Have there been times where you refused to shoot a model? Why?

One more thing to the white knights:
what do you think about femdom sites where men are being humiliated and pissed on and stuff like that? They also do it voluntarily. There is no drama in such sites.

Of course. We wouldn't shoot anyone drunk or high. We have sent plenty home because of that. Sometimes you get girls who owe an agent money & they slip that out, we send them home. Sometimes you get a girl that is "off." For instance, a few times it was clear that a person might have had one of the more serious personality disorders etc, & she gets a cab home too. We also sniff any liquid to see if there is booze in there. All in all, we are vigilant. You have to be.
Duke

whatever the bitch's story is and what Duke version is, I think these sites are awful no matter how many girls "get through" the shoots, the guys that watch this shit and then do it to their GF's make the whole thing one big fucking bad idea.

Sure 99 out of 100 guys will just watch it as a train wreck type of video but that 1 guy that fucks up his GF, his date or whatever thinking this shit is ok with a woman makes would make me want to quit pushing the site & I did.

Same goes for those Brazzers choking scenes.. not cool.

And you wonder why the bible thumping assholes at MIM are able to win over people to their cause, it's because of scenes from Facial abuse.

That's my rant & fuck you if you don't agree with me cause you are a psychopath.

yes it's all my fault. You're brilliant.
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I make good sales with dukedollars. And I love the crew, always hospitable and going out of their way to be friendly and helpful. I love partying with em in nyc back in the day! It's a biz and they are selling a fantasy, they follow the rules and keep things legal so if you don't like it don't watch it and as for the models, it's all free will.

thank you, finally :thumbsup

it's one thing for people to do whatever they want to eachother behind closed doors if it's consenting, it's another thing to make money off the act and introduce idiots and retards to the practice that don't know wtf they are doing and will prolly hurt someone doing it.

Just because something is legal doesn't make it a good idea. Greed is a powerful thing.

Simple moral standard for greedy webmasters... would I care if this happened to my MOM/SIS/DAUGHTER (pick one you actually care about)... if yes, don't promote or produce it.

surely anyone who has gay sites like you do must be right.
Please forgive my rant.
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Now something is wrong with Gay? Homophobia and woman hating don't mix, pick a team bro. :1orglaugh

some/many girls play rough so whats the big deal. $1500 is a lot of money for a scene.

:2 cents:

I didn't mean gay as in man on man. I meant gay as in subpar. Like "That show is gay."
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It isn't abuse if she agrees to it,many women dig it.personally It's not for me.2 girls one cup ruined me :(

hahaha.. a day in the life of gleem...*checks out new paysite* hmm can i see my mom doing this...yes! yes i can. she'd love it. ok. i think i can promote this.

so what about sites like men in pain, men are slaves etc? You also think that 1 of 100 women will think that its normal to piss in her man's mouth etc? Similar logic, lol

Bottom line: People have emotional and psychological problems in this world. People are addicted to drugs. People have been sexually and emotionally abused. And guess what? There are people and businesses willing and able to "help" these people out by providing all kinds of degarding things they could do for cash.

In other words, desperate people will do desperate things.

Is this 'wrong"? Yes. And no. That's why the debate continues...

As for me, I like affection, tenderness, love, pleasure and connection in my sex. Then again, I'm a freak. :D

Looks like they sleep counting women's tears ...

haha You must not know any women, they do what the fuck they want not like you could stop your mom if she liked getting choked and slapped while fucking. Morality is a funny thing, good luck with that. Me I like money.
And if you are worried about people copying what they see, probably should ban violent video games or we'll have everyone running around with chainsaws cutting off heads... oh wait that's not how it works.

as I explained 100 times fuck nugget, I am not paying for advertising. I am paying to keep my shit off that board. I don't like it anymore than you do but my content remains, for the most part, off that board, & if it is there I can get it pulled. Sorry I thought of this before others did. I don't like being extorted, but it's a reasonable fee to keep my content off.
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ok seriously stfu. You're as annoying as a cold sore on prom night.
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I think it's pretty fucked up but it should be allowed in a free country. As stated already, the girls know what they're getting into beforehand.

While the opinions here aren't too shocking, some of the people voicing them are. To each their own.

For the record, I sleep quite well at night. Although I don't have a hand in the production, I have been a part of the company since just about day 1. I wouldn't be a part of this company if the goal was to harm individuals. Facial Abuse caters to the fantasies of both men and women. We produce it because nobody does it better than us, and we have a steady stream of talent coming in because the majority of females that have shot with us, had a great experience.

If by the logic some of you have, things were banned because they influence others to try to mimic actions in a less controlled environment, the world would be void of much great music, some incredible movies, many amazing video games and some brilliant literature.
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"Simple moral standard for greedy webmasters... would I care if this happened to my MOM/SIS/DAUGHTER (pick one you actually care about)... if yes, don't promote or produce it."
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Gleem: If this were the moral standard, it'd be safe to say that most of us wouldn't promote anything within this industry. :X

Catch you on a bad day gleem?

So by the statement above, you're down with your mom/sis/daughter on revengetv or bustedonfilm? Exploitation sites that parlay the fantasy of non consensual content. For the record I don't have a problem with your sites at all or Dukes. The fantasies are excellent and the whole reason for porn.

Just trying to figure where you're coming from.

no I hate one jew, you.
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You must really want me to dig up the threads where you make anti-Semitic remarks but I won't do that to ya little guy :)

go ahead, I don't give a shit.
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Not going to waste my time. Do you have a special pedal in your car so you can drive?

Yea, i stack up all your beanies on my gas pedal, & I take your silly little side curls & hang them from my rear view mirror. I'm tired of arguing with you. As I said before, lets just meet up in person. I'll be out on the west coast soon.
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What are you gonna do tough guy? You and I both know you ain't gonna do shit.

Please state how women on crackwhore confessions are being abused. And dont try to bring crack in it as they use it on their own and just like on YOUR sute, grown women decide to get naked on film. It might make you feel better about yourself calling others out but youre still a filthy pornographer to the general public. No need to hold your nose up in the air around here.

I'm not going to talk shit to you on gfy. Email me & we will set it up. Talk to you soon
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truth. pow
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:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Let's find an empty swimming pool and fight to the death! JFK can take 900 photos of it. It will be even better than naked dodgeball bro!

only if you wear a lepoard print speedo!

Things like that will ruin porn's good name. Meanwhile, 10 years ago...

The difference is, we don't try to persuade them to continue. If they quit, I give them 20 minutes to think about it alone. She comes back out & says I can continue, we make sure she is ok & we do. If she says she can't, that's it. Over. There is no need to persuade anyone past that point. It's eaiser just to get them a cab back to the airport.
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I'm still waiting for "the how do they sleep at night" thread targeting that ball busting site

For the record Duke facial abused me and it was not that rough. I then gave him some JDL Yellow discipline

Porn pushers who are getting someone's daughter to do "tasteful" spread pussy shots for degenerate hermit to get off on are pointing fingers at Facial Abuse. How Admirable. Lol

very good point.
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I remember that. You tapped out & I had to console you so you'd finish. You're a trooper Juicy!!
:)
Duke

true, this industry has always been full of fuck heads who like to feel better about themselves by pointing fingers. If you make a living slinging smut, in the eyes of the world there are no levels. We are all scum to the average person. I just don't get it, but then again I never had the need to make myself feel better by throwing others under the bus.
Duke

Luke Skywalker, are you taking too much STEROIDS?... ur biceps are very small. I hope ur are natural, otherwise someone is selling your snake oiled roids.

anyways... do you still touch your dick's with BIG RED in the double penetrations?..

double penetrations are so fucking GAY, dude, just saying...

Really hope KARMA HIT your ASS for what happened to that girl, you piece of shit.

FUCKER.

PAIRIOD.

But,no safety word eh?