1. Charlie Ann never even filmed for us. She & spoke but I did not know she was also talking to one of our meat puppets Paul at the same time. She was very eager to get in which I found surprising. She showed up, and my director went over everthing
we talked about. She got all razzed up & left. Then, at the hotel we put her up in, Paul shows up. He fucks her, & leaves while she is sleeping. I got wind of this a few weeks later. Apparently, this was her plan as she & Paul have been talking for weeks. This story is a smoke screen so I wouldn't call her out for what she did, & I never did until now. Needless to say I fired Paul. Does this story make more sense now?

2. the second story is complete bullshit. I can't beleive you are buying this. Her ssn# & DL are still active btw.
3. What show are you going to next? I'd like to chat with you about it.
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This kind of hysterical anti-male axe-grinding doesn't help the cause of critics of these sites. Most men don't even know this type of porn exists. And if they did, most would find it repellent.

saftey word is "timeout" so it can be said & also shown by the hands for redundancy.
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my biceps are a tiny 19.5 inches
nothing happened to any girl
We've been filming for 10 years. Of course bs will be spread.
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Nice. You should be banned and arrested. What a joke of a site this is.

Plenty of guys like femdom and getting degraded during sex so why is it any different when a female likes it rough?

The issue appears to be that some of them don't like it rough.

it isn't, but adg & the rest should start a save a ho division of the x-men
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I just shit myself again. Duke Dollars is one of the last remaining programs that pay on time - everytime.

Everyone else - fuck off or I'll kick you in the nuts.

I think that's where the hate comes from. That & we don't suck anyones cock & are one of the only self sufficent programs: We get our own girls, shoot our own content, get our own traffic. Maybe that's why also I don't give a fuck what half of these back stabbers are saying, & I'd throw a 1000 bucks down that none would say it to my face without me shitting out the tip of their nose 6 hours later.
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:thumbsup Duke has ALWAYS paid and always paid ON TIME not to mention they still convert and still update with loads of affiliate marketing material.

Indeed we do!!!
thumbs up!
Duke

Ah,I see.
I want to make it clear I am in no way "calling you out".
I just think it would be nice if we could all have a dialog about things of this nature.
What's the line for you?
Have you ever felt bad?
I know I have and I don't take part in contact like that even.
Then again...I have a daughter.
That changed things.

Of course we have a line. The line is only do what they agree to do.
I'd feel bad if I tried to pull the wool over someones eyes. This is a profession & we are professionals. Does a boxer feel bad after a fight? Does a racecar driver feel bad for speeding? I don't do this stuff in my personal life. I am fulfilling a niche that has a great demand.
As far as dialouge, trust me when I tell you this has been hashed out on here 25 times at least.
Best,
Duke

I feel disturbed and confused. I like DukeDollars however the content is too rough for my taste. Can't say a bad word about the program, but this thread made me decide to stop promoting FA. I just think that it is not good for my karma, thats all.. I like women, I respect them, and if just 10% is true from what I've read in these shooting reviews than it is not good. And I feel I am supporting a questionable case if I continue to push FA.

Topsiteking said he has a daughter and it changed things. I have two daughters and this is a very strong factor indeed. I am not saying I am afraid that my daughters will appear on such sites decades later. What I am afraid of is that they might have boyfriends/husbands who grew up watching this kind of porn and will want to treat them in a similar way..

Maybe its a fake/distorted story [1st post on 3rd page], but based on what I've read Ernie sounds like Goebbels :2 cents:

trust me, it's pure bullshit. The girl charlie ann was in the business for 2 months, talked shit to me about everyone she shot with. The funny thing is, she didn't even shoot with us. She was basically driven out of the business after going through 4 agents in 2 months. And people are taking her seriously?
Give me more credit than that bro.
If you want to stop promoting that's your choice. I'm not going to kiss your ass. Maybe in '08 I would have.
Duke

I can say though, from a guy who is doing absoluey nothing wrong & being nailed to the cross by people who I thought I was cool with, no wonder why this industry shoots itself in the foot & why no one trusts each other. No wonder why people open up tube sites & file lockers; because what's the point of looking out for others when you are perfectly willing to throw one of the good guys under the bus. Just a point to consider.
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Duke,

I am laughing at the haters, while enjoying a cafe in Mallorca...
Amazing how many Captain Save a Hoes are supposedly in the "porn" biz.

ADG is trolling heavy online... always been a kiss ass in person though.
Remember he is camera shy, so it is easy to hurt his feelings.

Let me know if you want some pics of the troll.

because women are perpetual victims/children who need to be coddled and have decisions made for them because they don't know how to make the right ones on their own. if you're a guy doing such things on film, its always assumed you're into it and are in full control. if you're a woman doing such things on film its always assumed you are doing it against your will and have no control. serious double standards which is insulting to women, treating them like they don't have a brain of their own.

FAIL:winkwink:

I just downloaded "Max.Hardcore.Extreme.Schoolgirls.11" to watch what the hype was about. I saw lots of rough things in my life, but this is way beyond the limit. The face he is wearing when he is doing the nastiest things is fucking freaks me out. Either these girls are very good actresses and its just a game based upon a weird screenplay or they are actually raped and beaten and humiliated Big Time against their will. :2 cents:


Facialabuse.com is a fairytale related to what I've just seen. And I do believe you Duke about the timeouts and proper treating of the models. It's tough to think with a clean head after so strong emotional stuff I've just had today.. This site of yours might not be my cup of tea but is acceptable if everything is done as you describe it.

BlackCrayon: well said

I do D, I'm sure he & I will run into each other very soon.
Thx
Duke

Thank you very much
Duke

Wow, well said!
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Being a pornographer won't get you into heaven that's for sure.
And the only 'line' is what you can get billing approved for/wont get you 10 years in jail.

Personaly i think people bear ultimate responsibility for the situation they find themselves in. If you read the contract and signed the paper.. you have no reason to complain about anything.

I have seen FA/DS,dirty d,max hardcore,ggg content, and it is what it is.
It caters for a specific niche and they are very good at what they do. I know plenty of fems who enjoy watching this kind of content too.. even though they wouldnt like to be treated in such a way themselves.

You're saying this girl 'Amber Rose' didn't commit suicide? Where did ADG copy n' paste that from and who wrote it?

You keep saying Charlie Ann's story is bullshit but then say "she didn't even shoot with us". Well, her story explains WHY she chose not to shoot with you.

Are you disputing the negotiations she supposedly went through with you and your company?

She said no she didn't want to do it, and you say it's okay if a girl doesn't want to do it, but then you diss her saying she's nuts because she said no.

Huh? I know you don't give a fuck Duke, and I'm not hating on you, but some of your responses in this thread make me wonder. Whenever someone is accused of something, then that person turns around and starts vigorusly attacking all accusers, I do wonder.

But hey, I'm not an affiliate so whatever. LOL

PS: Amber Rose's SSN and DL would still be active for many months after her death. Government moves slowly. Is she dead or alive people?

it's a blog post posted back in april. It came to my attention in late july, at which we checked for any emails and there were none. No calls from her family etc. We did our due dilligence & searched for an obituary, death certificate, anything. There was nothing. She did several shoots after us. We filmed her 2.5 years ago.
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Again, not hating on you and if the Amber Rose thing is inaccurate I do apologize.

But how could it be a blog post from April when it clearly says July 24, 2012?


But if she's still shooting, or not dead, or etc etc then the whole thing seems fucked up. LOL

holy shit I just read all the thread and Holy Jesus

What I'm saying is she never wanted to shoot in the first place & used us for a flight to get in by that guy paul. He is notorius for doing this stuff. The negotions didnt fall through. She met us with intransigence at every angle. Then she started complaining how our release form has a section where we mark down pre existing scars & tattoos incase her identificaton is ever disputed. It's a standard release for our attorney. She just flipped at that. She was only here to be with paul (clearly as he does the spermsuckers scene which was the first, so why did he hang around). I didn't know we were being played the entire time. That's the story. We flew her in & flew her back out. Even if what she was saying was true, it's clear she was under no intimidation or duress. Of course it isn't true. I just seriously don't know why you don't beleive me. Duly noted. But I am telling the truth.
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:2 cents: :thumbsup

Not saying I don't believe you man. To be honest, since I don't know you or the model in question, based on my own experiences etc I would say her story sounds legit - but so does yours. LOL

Hey, this isn't my fight. Interesting read tho.

The first time I met Max Hardcore I asked him if it was ok to just shake his hand without him cumming in my hair and shitting in my nostrils haha he was in tears.

"boy/boy/girl anal shoot and ?simple bj? shoot for $1800"

don´t u feel sometimes life is unfair? :(

in Brazil girls gets paid 10000000 times less

she was ran out of the industry for being a loud mouth. I shoukd have listened but I gave her a shot because she was so eager to get in. I was foolish to think her eagerness was to do a scene & not hook up with paul of whom he she was talking to for 3 weeks prior. He got fired after that because this wasn't the first time this happened.
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lol classic
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Yea.. and somehow I'm the badguy.
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If you watch some of the FA stuff you can tell some girls are in distress and want to stop but they don't. Just my observation.

that's called mental fortitude. A lot are troopers, some arent. But trust me if they want to stop they can & do. & if they do, no one gets mad, no one tries to talk them back into it. It's their choice. Some girls litterally last 10 seconds. Some come back 4 times.
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if they dont stop then they dont want to stop...whats holding them back? under that same logic i can say i was forced to do something that i do with a smile on my face the whole time while getting paid and having the option to not do it

i just think that these girls are adults that can make their own decisions and while the site is rough they know what theyre getting into and have the option of leaving any time they want

whats the big deal? the girl above talks about signing up to get raped, i dont think she understands what rape is. when you can just say no and walk away that isn't rape.

Best reply in this thread. Hands Down
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(1) In my experience, Duke Dollars goes above and beyond the (admittedly low) bar which online adult generally sets for business matters like, I don't know, payment. In my experience, people who are honorable in one area are generally honorable in another and I have always observed Duke Dollars being honorable in the webmaster business realm.

(2) As a woman, I can tell you that there is enormous pressure on all female talent to "admit" that they were actually coerced and did not want to do whatever they did. Doesn't matter if what they did was artsy topless-only because we have a fairly prudish culture, at least in the US. I want all women to be empowered and own their own sexuality, but there are a lot of social advantages given to a woman who occasionally plays the victim card. As a feminist, I find this next stat depressing, but it is simply the case that, no matter what you shoot, occasionally female talent will tell a dismal false story about that. New lovers pretty much top the list for reasons for this, as a lot of guys, even today, are seeking a "purity" which they apparently believe is intact so long as the woman did not wanna. People can laugh at Captain Saveahos, but their attentions feel good. Who doesn't want to feel like other people are on their team and have their back? Sometimes, some people are jerks about someone's choice to perform (or do anything) in adult and it is really tempting for female talent to claim lack of responsibility for their choices. Being a sexual woman, no matter what choices you make, is challenging in our culture and comes with costs.

(3) Re: the performer who said she did Kink and it seemed different. Uhm, duh. I don't get how anyone female could watch Kink scenes which are often wall-to-wall orgasms for female talent and watch Facial Abuse scenes and think that would be roughly (no pun intended) the same experience.

Why is FA being attacked right now, BTW? It's not like this kind of material is new.

Edit: that's funny. 1601 posts. I noticed post 1600 yesterday and I'm pretty sure last time I noticed, yesterday, I had 1604. Would that happen if a thread is deleted?

You just took the title for best reply in this thread :)
Best,
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Ha, ha, I'm competitive :winkwink:

yup, since 03. 9 years? Everything is cyclical, especially when you're an industry vet.
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Had to check the thread date and make sure it wasn't started in 2004 :1orglaugh

Overall, women should be saved from themselves??

No I just think more need more active fathers in their lives.
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