Whether the content is your cup of tea or not is a matter of subjective personal opinion and taste.
I believe this content is in bad taste... but that's sort of the whole point of the fantasy, isn't it?

Here are some objective facts:
1 - It is legal for consenting adults to do exactly what is shown on the FA site.

2 - Nobody to my knowledge has ever alleged the people filmed for FA are not consenting or not adults.

3 - Hollywood films from Reservoir Dogs to Saw display a tremendously greater amount of fantasy violence than anything ever shown in any FA video.
Nearly every other adult site displays more actual Sex than FA scenes show.

4 - In the time I have operated review sites I have gotten thousands of direct messages from actual porn site buyers. Usually they are complaints about hidden charges, sites that do not live up to the tours, and a whole list of other scams. I can not remember ever getting a single one from a customer of the FA site suggesting they felt cheated, scammed or abused in any way. I have also test-joined the site, something I do not believe most other affiliates do, and did not get scammed over-charged or spammed as a result.

5 - I am not aware of any affiliate or other industry professional ever being scammed or abused by Dukedollars in any way.
I've never even seen anyone claim they were not paid for their traffic or any other webmaster drama stories.

Summary
DukeDollars is in the business of filming consenting adults for the purpose of portraying a fantasy that some people find distasteful. They treat their customers and business partners fairly. Hollywood films show much more fantasy violence and other adult sites show much more fantasy sex than FA shows. When you start drawing lines and claiming your personal TASTE should be paramount to the TASTE of someone else, you damage our society irrevocably.

If you find it distasteful AND have an objective statement of fact showing that any performer was not consenting, or any performer was not of age (on this or any other site) I will do everything I can to assist you in prosecuting everyone involved. That being said... if you do not, I'd suggest you simply don't buy a membership for yourself. :2 cents:

Duke, never met you, never promoted you. ADG you too, never promoted or met. No horse in the race, no agenda...

But for ADG to post that link to a bullshit story, that was just wrong. Clearly nothing backs it up. Posting a link to a story about a fake suicide, was just straight meant to fuck with Duke's rep. Unbelievably low class.

It's sure refreshing to see some well thought out responses over the last few posts. :)

I would imagine that for as often as the site updates if every model felt duped like that one claimed they wouldn't have made it this far.

Now having said that, if models are being lied to about what they will be doing which changes once they get there that is wrong.

I'm sure ADG & I will have plenty of time to "work things out" soon.
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they actually sign off on every sexual act they will & won't perform to prevent even the possibility of them being lied to. That's how far we've thought this through. That's how I can assure you it's complete bs. Why would I fly a model in, present her with the sexual acts she will perform, she says "this was never agreed to" and leaves. Why would I even present her with the performance agreement page if that were the case? Why would I risk loosing a 600 dollar flight? Why would I even fly her back if I were a jerkoff? As more facts come to light, you can see I'm telling the truth.
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Seriously?
 

I have worked in kink for over a decade. In pretty much every facet known, except as talent in videos. Plus, I am a rabid feminist.

And I have to say, there is a huge mis-conception regarding this type of porn. This type of porn does not feed misogyny. It will not make young men want to throat rape your daughters. Most importantly - it will not FORCE young men to throat rape your daughters.

It is mainly a fantasy. A look-y into an extreme act. A need to feed and indulge in taboo, in a world where the concept of taboo is always changing.

In my opinion, it is valid.

And even though I have not been in a video - I have worked with plenty of talent.

These women are aware of what they are doing, and they are doing their job. I have the utmost respect for them, and they are in on the game. They know what a shoot like FA would be like. They are not stupid, nor do they need saving.

They are making a business decision.

If you don't care for it or have moral objections - don't promote it. But this whole 'what I am into is super groovy, but you all are wrong" is short sighted and childish.

Very succinct. Great reply
thanks
Duke

Well, if you want to think that to help you sleep at night go right ahead. But you have to have your head up your ass big time to think that watching scenes of violence towards women does not inspire violence towards women.

And please don't bring up music and gangsta rap and all that shit. Young people (especially) get their idea of what sex is and how to fuck women from porn (many do, not all of course) so if someone sees a woman being abused on video the chances of them doing it in "real life" goes way up.

Rapes in this country are up, violence towards women is up, and if this is a fantasy then how SICK are men that they have to see a woman basically throat raped in order to have an orgasm?

Dude, if that is a male fantasy then I'm turning lesbian and fuck all sick-ass men in this fucked-up world.

Again, just my opinion. You do what you want.

I respect your opinion but I watch Facial Abuse videos and have never done anything remotely close to it in real life, in fact I'm probably more abused my girlfriend in bed :1orglaugh. It's a fantasy just like any other fetish or porn video, most people realize that and those who don't are sick in the head to begin with.

I keep seeing the word rape over and over again.

Has the definition changed?

I hear you, and I do know that it is a tiny percentage overall that will take action after seeing something in a film. If everyone kept their fantasies inside their head then I wouldn't care WHAT THE FUCK people whack off to. LOL!!

Anyway, as has been stated, this is kind of an "old argument" as FA has been around for almost ten years.

Yes, and when they see Met-Art they all suddenly become sensual glamorously slow lovers. That's why back in the 60s and 70s when Playboy mags were the norm, or even earlier in history during the pinup era nobody ever got raped. In fact domestic violence didn't really exist until somewhere around 2003 according to your theory.

The basic problem with your theory is that it is completely false.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
2010 had the lowest number of rapes since 1985 (the most recent year reported) and the trend is DOWN not up thankfully.

In fact it is exactly the same as music, sports, videogames or anything else in life. If you are a murderer and you watch movies about murder you might think about killing someone... if you aren't a murderer you watch a movie about murder as a story. If you play Grand Theft Auto on XBOX you are not more likely to carjack anyone... however if you plan to carjack people, choosing not to play GTA on XBOX won't prevent you.

We have laws, browser filters, credit card payments, site security tags, and many other security measures in place to keep adult content out of the hands of minors. So, what we are really talking about here is whether or not Consenting Adults can make entertainment for each other that other adults find distasteful. Back in 1985 the content on YOUR sites and just about every other adult site today would have been deemed distasteful.

Watching UFC fights doesn't make anyone a street thug, in fact watching it won't even make them a capable fighter. On the other hand, thanks in large part to sites from Duke, Kink, Wasteland and others... as well as the rampant sale of the book 50 Shades Of Gray - I am willing to bet you that roleplay during sex has skyrocketed in the last decade or two.

I'm not a 'fan' of FA, but I definitely am a fan of their right to publish content other people find distasteful... so long as they continue to only involve consenting adults in that process. :2 cents:

If you think any of us affiliated with Facial Abuse take what is on film, and bring that to our personal lives, you are severely mistaken. You thinking that Duke or any of us at Facial Abuse view women as trash just fully proves the point that like surfers, you buy into the FANTASY. We don't work with females and shoot our content for personal gratification: We film it to provide great content for fans of the extreme niche, while it allows us to do well for ourselves, the talent and our affiliates financially. This is the adult BUSINESS.

When all is said and done, it's quite easy to say that we sell the rough sex fantasy better than anybody in the business (to webmasters and surfers). It's no wonder we're still standing tall while so many others fall. :thumbsup

Again, big thanks to the supporters of our right to film the content that we do, who have spoken up in this thread. To those that aren't in support of what we do, you are fully entitled to your opinion. I just hope that you'll eventually realize that we have the right to film the content which is fully consensual, and that fans have the right to enjoy the content...whether it's your cup of tea or not.

Agree 100%. The right of consenting adults to do FA and for FA to publish what consenting adults is a right more Americans (and everyone) should fight for.

I'm just wondering WHY adults consent to such abuse, that's all. :helpme


You have the absolute right to film and profit from what consenting adults agree to do to and with each other. Anyone tries to take that right away and I am on YOUR side on the front lines.

Wow.
Thank you for the input.
I was thinking if you would post here.
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Thanks for that vote of support. Hey...I often wonder why people cork their ears leaving giant earlobes, why people think Nicki Minaj has talent and why people purchased Pontiac Aztecs. I might not understand the appeal of any of those things, but hey...if it's to your liking, go for it.

Some of the models have a genuine love for rough sex, some do it to gain notoriety and some do it to to pay bills. Whatever the reasoning, the scenes are consensual, there is a market for the product and we will continue to cater to the market as long as there is a market. Questioning of the action is fine, but throwing a person under the bus that operates within limits, is uncalled for. :2 cents:

If Facial Abuse is chopped liver, then Max Hardcore is 3 day old roadkill. There's no comparison between these two other than they both shoot pretty hardcore porn. Shitty that you guys get grouped together like that.

^ Oh please. I'm not one of the people whining on behalf of the models or saying it should be banned (and I have no idea why such a non-drama has reached 4 pages), but don't start pretending this stuff - choking, gagging, puking - is anything other than vile, repulsive, worthless garbage, even by the already piss poor standards of porn.

I can't help but read your replies in the same voice as charlie browns mom.
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MP, you keep missing the whole point that what you may personally enjoy is not what others enjoy.

I went to a bondage swingers club in Atlanta one time and I couldn't believe what I saw. People were on racks being beaten bloody and things were being done to men and women that would be considered legally to be "torture" if you tried it on the prisoners in GitMo.

But they LOVED it. It's what they did. And they paid $30 each to come into that club and do it to each other.

You need to get your mind out of what you think you know...and realize that human sexuality is very, very complex.

Me? I'm not personally into getting beaten and abused. But I have friends (guy friends) who love to have girls beat the hell out of them in bed. Slap their faces, bite them until they bleed, kick them in the nuts, etc.

I don't get it.
But I don't think those guys are being taken advantage of...and I don't think it's "sick".

It's just what they LOVE to do.

Live and let live. :)

Believe me, I know what you are saying. I'm asking on more of a philisophical level. LOL

I fully realize what I like is differant from what others like and so on, and I do support a person's right to watch consenting adults do what I consdier to be sick, degrading things to each other. But I question WHY human beings get off on such behaviors. Maybe it's too psychological a discussion to conduct on GFY.

Plus, I'm way too sober for any of this. LOL

Try reading without moving your lips.

I can not believe you just tried to make fun of Walter White's car! Links pulled ;)

I'm sure that the folks that dig that kind of thing look at guys like you and me and think the same thing. How could we possibly get off on such relatively vanilla sex?

I had always heard about some crazy shit...but I never saw it with my own eyes until around 1995. I was married to my 3rd wife who was a Feature dancer.

And she would travel around the country and also worked with a company called Gold Key which sent American Feature Dancers overseas to some really cool clubs around the world.

And she always told me some of the most brutal shit that some guys would pay her to do to them in the VIP room.

Then one night, at a club down in Fla. this guy paid her a $1,000 to come to his room. He didn't want to fuck her. And he wanted ME to watch what she did to him.
So we went to his hotel room and first he got in the bathtub and laid down and opened his mouth and had her piss all in his mouth. :repuke

Then he had her twist his nipples until they bled. :(
Then he spread his legs and had her kick him HARD in the nuts with her high heels on...and verbally abuse him the whole time telling him what a piece of shit he was.
That's when he came. :1orglaugh

So no...I don't question human sexuality. It's wide and varied and one size does not fit all.

She used to tell me that the big, strong "A" type personality guys who didn't take any shit from anybody during the day....were the ones who would pay her to denigrate and abuse them during sex.

Crazy. But that's just the way human sexuality can be.

This is really THE question, and the answer is a lot more complicated than "because they like it." It's not a conversation I ever see taking place on GFY.

:2 cents:

That max hardcore video is a real eye opener. He is pretty amazing at taking control and manipulating a situation to whatever he desires.

I found it disturbing as well. Once they quit let them ponder it by themselves so they feel safe. At least this way if the decide to continue you know their descision is one not made in haste, & if they quit you know that the descision was a logical one & not an emotional one. I swear if people seen the behind the scenes footage & how things were actually ran you'd think we were a bunch of save a ho's too
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I am really surprised behind the scenes footage are not shot by people such as yourself. It would be pretty valuable footage to shut people up.

Anyways - back to Max - the guy has some incredible skills, it is a pity he used them in the way he did. His ability to manipulate and get his way is quite amazing to watch - until he loses his temper and then he just becomes a complete ass hat.

My director said, "if you showed the behind the scenes footage you'd loose all street cred with your members."
It takes so long to film a scene (3.5 hours) because half of that time we are running around making them tea, or they are raiding the snack drawer. I'm just keeping this thread going because it's fun, & I get to know who the naysayers are which comes in handy. Especially at shows :)
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More for insurance than to put in any members areas - say 3 go pros placed in different spots around the studio.

every scene is filmed with 2 cameras. 1 films the scene for production, & 1 films everything from the moment she enters to the moment she leaves. We have 10+ years of that footage.
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Robbie, you know you paid 30 bucks! lol just effn with ya!
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Talk and let talk :upsidedow

amen brotha!
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I will be in san fran in a month or two if anyone would like to meet up for a beer, or air grievances. ADG perhaps?
Then I'll be in San Jo after that for 3-4 months with Baroni.
& Of course a gay wine trip through Napa valley Drinking Pinot Noir if anyone would like to join us. Naysayers are welcome too.
Lmk. Dead serious
Duke

some people's brains interpret pain and pleasure differently. what makes this happen is another question but you know, the old nature vs nurture debate. however, some say its the most intense sexual experiences, getting into the 'subspace'. its often described as some kind of transcendental almost spiritual experience. i'm not sure if facial abuse falls into this category as its more typically described in bdsm situations but the same ideas can apply for those who get off on being submissive, being humiliated, etc. your view is that its some kind of mental disorder but if thats true, then any deviation from the "norm" would be as well. who gets to define what the "norm" is and why do they get to anyways? some would say those who prefer vanilla type sex are stuck in their own mental slavery.

FacialAbuseBackstage.com would pull in a lot more members than you think.
That other footage is good for many porn fan voyeurs who want to 'hang out' behind the scenes with the crew
And see what really went on from start to finish.

Just sayin'

Agree!
:thumbsup

I have FaceDestruction.com for sale.

Duke and Red are cool. FA rocks.

Sherm's gay. He touched me.

LOL!!
how ya been man?
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I just had to quote that because it makes me giggle every time I read it. :1orglaugh

I don't even find facial abuse to be rough. If you want rough there's a studio from Hungary that used to make extreme torture videos. They were shut down but their stuff is out there, if you think FA is sick and twisted, you haven't seen nothing yet dorothy.

BTW, reading that blog in the first post gave me a boner. My favorite was Ginna Lynn. She was the only girl on FA that wasn't a disgusting trash. It was good seeing her get degraded.

This reminds me, remember Khan Tusion? He was a fucking legend, I liked it that he tried to add psychological degradation which was really, nothing that matches close to it. However, the Hungarian studio pretty much surpasses Khan Tusion by miles.

Isn't that kinda like saying Batman movies are bad because the occasional loon can't distinguish between entertainment and reality?

Get real.
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No.
:disgust

You are welcome ;)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Long time no see. Hope all is great for ya!

Well then, confronted with a compelling argument such as that which you've just made, how could anybody possibly disagree with you? :1orglaugh

Like I said to the other guy, get real.
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You're comparing two completely and utterly different things. There's no need for him to say any more than "no", because the comparison is so obviously ludicrous.