I just downloaded "Max.Hardcore.Extreme.Schoolgirls.11" to watch what the hype was about. I saw lots of rough things in my life, but this is way beyond the limit. The face he is wearing when he is doing the nastiest things is fucking freaks me out. Either these girls are very good actresses and its just a game based upon a weird screenplay or they are actually raped and beaten and humiliated Big Time against their will. :2 cents:


Facialabuse.com is a fairytale related to what I've just seen. And I do believe you Duke about the timeouts and proper treating of the models. It's tough to think with a clean head after so strong emotional stuff I've just had today.. This site of yours might not be my cup of tea but is acceptable if everything is done as you describe it.

BlackCrayon: well said

I do D, I'm sure he & I will run into each other very soon.
Thx
Duke

Thank you very much
Duke

Wow, well said!
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Being a pornographer won't get you into heaven that's for sure.
And the only 'line' is what you can get billing approved for/wont get you 10 years in jail.

Personaly i think people bear ultimate responsibility for the situation they find themselves in. If you read the contract and signed the paper.. you have no reason to complain about anything.

I have seen FA/DS,dirty d,max hardcore,ggg content, and it is what it is.
It caters for a specific niche and they are very good at what they do. I know plenty of fems who enjoy watching this kind of content too.. even though they wouldnt like to be treated in such a way themselves.

You're saying this girl 'Amber Rose' didn't commit suicide? Where did ADG copy n' paste that from and who wrote it?

You keep saying Charlie Ann's story is bullshit but then say "she didn't even shoot with us". Well, her story explains WHY she chose not to shoot with you.

Are you disputing the negotiations she supposedly went through with you and your company?

She said no she didn't want to do it, and you say it's okay if a girl doesn't want to do it, but then you diss her saying she's nuts because she said no.

Huh? I know you don't give a fuck Duke, and I'm not hating on you, but some of your responses in this thread make me wonder. Whenever someone is accused of something, then that person turns around and starts vigorusly attacking all accusers, I do wonder.

But hey, I'm not an affiliate so whatever. LOL

PS: Amber Rose's SSN and DL would still be active for many months after her death. Government moves slowly. Is she dead or alive people?

it's a blog post posted back in april. It came to my attention in late july, at which we checked for any emails and there were none. No calls from her family etc. We did our due dilligence & searched for an obituary, death certificate, anything. There was nothing. She did several shoots after us. We filmed her 2.5 years ago.
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Again, not hating on you and if the Amber Rose thing is inaccurate I do apologize.

But how could it be a blog post from April when it clearly says July 24, 2012?


But if she's still shooting, or not dead, or etc etc then the whole thing seems fucked up. LOL

holy shit I just read all the thread and Holy Jesus

What I'm saying is she never wanted to shoot in the first place & used us for a flight to get in by that guy paul. He is notorius for doing this stuff. The negotions didnt fall through. She met us with intransigence at every angle. Then she started complaining how our release form has a section where we mark down pre existing scars & tattoos incase her identificaton is ever disputed. It's a standard release for our attorney. She just flipped at that. She was only here to be with paul (clearly as he does the spermsuckers scene which was the first, so why did he hang around). I didn't know we were being played the entire time. That's the story. We flew her in & flew her back out. Even if what she was saying was true, it's clear she was under no intimidation or duress. Of course it isn't true. I just seriously don't know why you don't beleive me. Duly noted. But I am telling the truth.
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:2 cents: :thumbsup

Not saying I don't believe you man. To be honest, since I don't know you or the model in question, based on my own experiences etc I would say her story sounds legit - but so does yours. LOL

Hey, this isn't my fight. Interesting read tho.

The first time I met Max Hardcore I asked him if it was ok to just shake his hand without him cumming in my hair and shitting in my nostrils haha he was in tears.

"boy/boy/girl anal shoot and ?simple bj? shoot for $1800"

don´t u feel sometimes life is unfair? :(

in Brazil girls gets paid 10000000 times less

she was ran out of the industry for being a loud mouth. I shoukd have listened but I gave her a shot because she was so eager to get in. I was foolish to think her eagerness was to do a scene & not hook up with paul of whom he she was talking to for 3 weeks prior. He got fired after that because this wasn't the first time this happened.
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lol classic
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Yea.. and somehow I'm the badguy.
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If you watch some of the FA stuff you can tell some girls are in distress and want to stop but they don't. Just my observation.

that's called mental fortitude. A lot are troopers, some arent. But trust me if they want to stop they can & do. & if they do, no one gets mad, no one tries to talk them back into it. It's their choice. Some girls litterally last 10 seconds. Some come back 4 times.
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if they dont stop then they dont want to stop...whats holding them back? under that same logic i can say i was forced to do something that i do with a smile on my face the whole time while getting paid and having the option to not do it

i just think that these girls are adults that can make their own decisions and while the site is rough they know what theyre getting into and have the option of leaving any time they want

whats the big deal? the girl above talks about signing up to get raped, i dont think she understands what rape is. when you can just say no and walk away that isn't rape.

Best reply in this thread. Hands Down
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(1) In my experience, Duke Dollars goes above and beyond the (admittedly low) bar which online adult generally sets for business matters like, I don't know, payment. In my experience, people who are honorable in one area are generally honorable in another and I have always observed Duke Dollars being honorable in the webmaster business realm.

(2) As a woman, I can tell you that there is enormous pressure on all female talent to "admit" that they were actually coerced and did not want to do whatever they did. Doesn't matter if what they did was artsy topless-only because we have a fairly prudish culture, at least in the US. I want all women to be empowered and own their own sexuality, but there are a lot of social advantages given to a woman who occasionally plays the victim card. As a feminist, I find this next stat depressing, but it is simply the case that, no matter what you shoot, occasionally female talent will tell a dismal false story about that. New lovers pretty much top the list for reasons for this, as a lot of guys, even today, are seeking a "purity" which they apparently believe is intact so long as the woman did not wanna. People can laugh at Captain Saveahos, but their attentions feel good. Who doesn't want to feel like other people are on their team and have their back? Sometimes, some people are jerks about someone's choice to perform (or do anything) in adult and it is really tempting for female talent to claim lack of responsibility for their choices. Being a sexual woman, no matter what choices you make, is challenging in our culture and comes with costs.

(3) Re: the performer who said she did Kink and it seemed different. Uhm, duh. I don't get how anyone female could watch Kink scenes which are often wall-to-wall orgasms for female talent and watch Facial Abuse scenes and think that would be roughly (no pun intended) the same experience.

Why is FA being attacked right now, BTW? It's not like this kind of material is new.

Edit: that's funny. 1601 posts. I noticed post 1600 yesterday and I'm pretty sure last time I noticed, yesterday, I had 1604. Would that happen if a thread is deleted?

You just took the title for best reply in this thread :)
Best,
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Ha, ha, I'm competitive :winkwink:

yup, since 03. 9 years? Everything is cyclical, especially when you're an industry vet.
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Had to check the thread date and make sure it wasn't started in 2004 :1orglaugh

Overall, women should be saved from themselves??

No I just think more need more active fathers in their lives.
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Whether the content is your cup of tea or not is a matter of subjective personal opinion and taste.
I believe this content is in bad taste... but that's sort of the whole point of the fantasy, isn't it?

Here are some objective facts:
1 - It is legal for consenting adults to do exactly what is shown on the FA site.

2 - Nobody to my knowledge has ever alleged the people filmed for FA are not consenting or not adults.

3 - Hollywood films from Reservoir Dogs to Saw display a tremendously greater amount of fantasy violence than anything ever shown in any FA video.
Nearly every other adult site displays more actual Sex than FA scenes show.

4 - In the time I have operated review sites I have gotten thousands of direct messages from actual porn site buyers. Usually they are complaints about hidden charges, sites that do not live up to the tours, and a whole list of other scams. I can not remember ever getting a single one from a customer of the FA site suggesting they felt cheated, scammed or abused in any way. I have also test-joined the site, something I do not believe most other affiliates do, and did not get scammed over-charged or spammed as a result.

5 - I am not aware of any affiliate or other industry professional ever being scammed or abused by Dukedollars in any way.
I've never even seen anyone claim they were not paid for their traffic or any other webmaster drama stories.

Summary
DukeDollars is in the business of filming consenting adults for the purpose of portraying a fantasy that some people find distasteful. They treat their customers and business partners fairly. Hollywood films show much more fantasy violence and other adult sites show much more fantasy sex than FA shows. When you start drawing lines and claiming your personal TASTE should be paramount to the TASTE of someone else, you damage our society irrevocably.

If you find it distasteful AND have an objective statement of fact showing that any performer was not consenting, or any performer was not of age (on this or any other site) I will do everything I can to assist you in prosecuting everyone involved. That being said... if you do not, I'd suggest you simply don't buy a membership for yourself. :2 cents:

Duke, never met you, never promoted you. ADG you too, never promoted or met. No horse in the race, no agenda...

But for ADG to post that link to a bullshit story, that was just wrong. Clearly nothing backs it up. Posting a link to a story about a fake suicide, was just straight meant to fuck with Duke's rep. Unbelievably low class.

It's sure refreshing to see some well thought out responses over the last few posts. :)

I would imagine that for as often as the site updates if every model felt duped like that one claimed they wouldn't have made it this far.

Now having said that, if models are being lied to about what they will be doing which changes once they get there that is wrong.

I'm sure ADG & I will have plenty of time to "work things out" soon.
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they actually sign off on every sexual act they will & won't perform to prevent even the possibility of them being lied to. That's how far we've thought this through. That's how I can assure you it's complete bs. Why would I fly a model in, present her with the sexual acts she will perform, she says "this was never agreed to" and leaves. Why would I even present her with the performance agreement page if that were the case? Why would I risk loosing a 600 dollar flight? Why would I even fly her back if I were a jerkoff? As more facts come to light, you can see I'm telling the truth.
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Seriously?
 

I have worked in kink for over a decade. In pretty much every facet known, except as talent in videos. Plus, I am a rabid feminist.

And I have to say, there is a huge mis-conception regarding this type of porn. This type of porn does not feed misogyny. It will not make young men want to throat rape your daughters. Most importantly - it will not FORCE young men to throat rape your daughters.

It is mainly a fantasy. A look-y into an extreme act. A need to feed and indulge in taboo, in a world where the concept of taboo is always changing.

In my opinion, it is valid.

And even though I have not been in a video - I have worked with plenty of talent.

These women are aware of what they are doing, and they are doing their job. I have the utmost respect for them, and they are in on the game. They know what a shoot like FA would be like. They are not stupid, nor do they need saving.

They are making a business decision.

If you don't care for it or have moral objections - don't promote it. But this whole 'what I am into is super groovy, but you all are wrong" is short sighted and childish.

Very succinct. Great reply
thanks
Duke

Well, if you want to think that to help you sleep at night go right ahead. But you have to have your head up your ass big time to think that watching scenes of violence towards women does not inspire violence towards women.

And please don't bring up music and gangsta rap and all that shit. Young people (especially) get their idea of what sex is and how to fuck women from porn (many do, not all of course) so if someone sees a woman being abused on video the chances of them doing it in "real life" goes way up.

Rapes in this country are up, violence towards women is up, and if this is a fantasy then how SICK are men that they have to see a woman basically throat raped in order to have an orgasm?

Dude, if that is a male fantasy then I'm turning lesbian and fuck all sick-ass men in this fucked-up world.

Again, just my opinion. You do what you want.

I respect your opinion but I watch Facial Abuse videos and have never done anything remotely close to it in real life, in fact I'm probably more abused my girlfriend in bed :1orglaugh. It's a fantasy just like any other fetish or porn video, most people realize that and those who don't are sick in the head to begin with.