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spazlabz 09-18-2012 04:31 AM

Does anyone remember the fact that after Obama got elected that the republican party was decimated? They were a joke and there was even talk that now there was only one real party in the US. They had their backs against the wall and appeared impotent. I believe that fact is what forced them into what they are now; a political machine with very limited scope exercising every political trick and exploiting every political loophole they can to achieve their agenda which is destroying the Obama presidency and scratching the backs of their true core constituency the top 1%

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely cannot stand Obama and hate to see him in the Oval Office another 4 years. However, I also believe that with him in there things will get worse for the middle class and working poor slower than they would if Romney gets elected. The man needs to grow a backbone and fight for what he believes in because he appears to compromise everything away.

weewilly 09-18-2012 05:43 AM

Republican Party has thrown out the Fiscal Conservative's who were socially moderate. To get nominated today you have to be anti abortion, anti gay,anti immigration. In the primary they pander to about 15% of the total electorate.
Dems had the issue after Carter when the far left had taken control. Clinton brought them to the middle a bit.
My guess is that Hilary runs in 2016 and I think wins.

What was amazing about this years primary was the heavy weights who did not run.
Hucklelbe,Bush,Christie, etc. It was like they did not want to have to face this economy.

Rochard 09-18-2012 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DTK (Post 19195578)
Disagree strongly on this point. It's true there were people who went into these loans with no intention of paying them.

However,
  • It's the banks who created the game.
  • It's the banks who were paying 3x the commission on BS loans than they were paying on normal loans, which fueled TONS of predatory lending.
  • It's the banks who were selling these crap mortgages to counterparties while at the same time placing huge bets against these loans, and not disclosing their adverse position (which is illegal).
  • It's the banks who were telling their customers (other large banks, pension funds etc) that these were rock solid investments while calling them "pieces of crap" in their internal emails.

They knew they were committing massive fraud.

Totally.

And the US Government didn't do anything about it, and the public did nothing about it. If you didn't benefit from it directly by buying or a selling a house during that past seven years, you benefited from this process because everyone was taking out money against their houses and it's inflated worth and spending it like it was going out of style.

And no one said anything at all.

tony286 09-18-2012 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DTK (Post 19195645)
We're mostly agreeing here, but to say Obama's on the opposite side of the spectrum would be inaccurate. If you look at his actual record (not the ficticious record the right-wing screamers made up lol), you'll see a business-friendly centrist.

If he was really on the opposite side of the spectrum, we would have already seen criminal prosecutions of numerous high-level executives. Plenty of other examples, but there ya go.

And yeah, you can't totally blame Bush or any other president. Clinton signed the piece of paper that repealed Glass-Steagall (under huge pressure from the banks).

This stuff is above politics. The US has been being whored out in a bipartisan fashion for 35 years.

yep he is about right of Nixon ,he isnt a liberal at all. There hasnt been a real liberal in a long long time.

BFT3K 09-18-2012 06:53 PM

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garce 09-18-2012 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer (Post 19195168)
Good for him his opponent is one of the worst presidents in history. :thumbsup

I sincerely doubt that The United States of America will ever have a great man in office again - at least in my lifetime. Just more self-absorbed, money-hungry lawyers. People trained to lie, and taught to tell other people (mostly judges) exactly what they want to hear.

American citizens aren't as stupid as most judges, though, and they are rapidly tiring of the baseless rhetoric these spineless men constantly vomit out of their useless mouths.

All of your leaders are cowards who have no idea how to react to a serious crisis. They are lawyers. Lawyers talk - they don't act or make desicions. Lawyers argue and leave the decision making to others. Lawyers are incapable of making decisions. The simple fact that a person is a lawyer renders them incapable of making a desicion on even the most trivial of matters.

Lawyers defer judgement. They'll happily spew accolades on the record for the most vile rapists and murderers - as long as they get paid. That is what they spent years in college learning. They argue. They do not make decisions or judgements. They just debate shit.

Lawyers should NOT be politicians. Anywhere, at any time.

Its the same everywhere in the world. I don't mean to single out the United States. Canada is just as bad - if not worse.

I don't have the right to say that Clinton was a "great" President - although I did like the guy - but Clinton humiliated and walked all over Obama recently with one single speech. Barely ten years later, your "smart" President is basically an illterate ass-kissing spineless idiot who's entire term is based off slogans and empty rhetoric. And I fucking LIKE Obama. He seems like a nice family man. I wouldn't put him in charge of ordering me a pizza, though - I don't think he could even get THAT simple task right.

Things are going downhill really fucking fast, and they're only going to get worse.

GrantMercury 09-18-2012 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DavieVegas (Post 19195212)
YUp def one of the worst. This race will still be very close. Obama is not a sure win by any means.

Obama will make Willard his whimpering little bitch.

Wait for the debates. This will not be close.

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GrantMercury 09-18-2012 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19197818)

:1orglaugh

GrantMercury 09-18-2012 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill8 (Post 19196187)
this is all your fault, republicans - history could not have given you a better chance to kick out that uncle tom, but no, you picked romney, possibly the worst republican candidate ever.

First of all, "Uncle Tom"? Fuck off.

Secondly, who else would the GOP have nominated? THEY'RE ALL MAGGOTS - just as bad, if not worse, that Willard.

GrantMercury 09-18-2012 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 19195916)
I hope the Republican party is happy with their candidate.

Willard is the best they have. :1orglaugh

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GrantMercury 09-18-2012 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DTK (Post 19195771)
He's in the right-wing 'news' bubble. They started blaming Obama for the mess the instant he took office and made no mention of how we got there. And their dupes bought it hook, line and sinker.

Yup. "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." --The Boxer

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Robbie 09-18-2012 08:38 PM

You guys do realize that Romney and Obama are neck and neck as of today right?

Sounds like a lot of folks are drinking the koolaid that some media people are putting out there.

Today's gallup poll showed Obama LOST 6 points in the last week while Romney GAINED a point.

It stands today as: Obama 47% Romney 46%

Obama's campaign is the one that just dropped 6 points in the poll. That is the campaign that is in trouble at this moment.

This whole thing is going to be decided in the debates. And Obama is a much more likeable fellow than Romney. And we Americans pick our President's based on that instead of who can do the best job.

GrantMercury 09-18-2012 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DTK (Post 19195530)
Publicly Funded Elections

Fucking right on! :thumbsup

Bill8 09-18-2012 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury (Post 19197941)
First of all, "Uncle Tom"? Fuck off.

Secondly, who else would the GOP have nominated? THEY'RE ALL MAGGOTS - just as bad, if not worse, that Willard.

first of all, blow me 2012, replacement nick, whoever you fucking are; obama betrayed us all to the fucking banks and wall street and pharm companies, he's a fucking disgrace, a joke, a calamity to the dems and to the hard independent progressives, like myself.

hes a fucking uncle tom, a slave to his masters, and I hate that wall street dick sucking pharmco buttboy shit like fire.

secondly, true, they are all bad. Gary Johnson was okay, but he is pretty much by definition not a republican, because he doesn't suck war dick.

Bill8 09-18-2012 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19197949)
You guys do realize that Romney and Obama are neck and neck as of today right?

.

yer just cherrypickin data.

The wall street journal poll today says obama is 5 points ahead - so who's fucking right?

Uh oh Fix News poll has obama ahead 5 too - whattya know. WSJ and Faux both with unca tom 5 ahead. Seems odd, right, buy hey margin of error and all that.

besides general polls dont provide us with the relevant information, whats important, as everyone knows, is the electoral count.

So what are the electoral pollsters saying?

Nate Silver is probably the top electoral guy, with 538 - ooops loook at that. Bummmer.

Okay lets say 538 is wrong - lets look at a metapoll, like real clear politics...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...bama-1171.html

geee, who'd a thunk it...

anyway, you richie rich cocksuckers still got your debates. send richie rich some more money, maybe he can get that socialist out of there.

theking 09-18-2012 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill8 (Post 19198004)
yer just cherrypickin data.

The wall street journal poll today says obama is 5 points ahead - so who's fucking right?

Uh oh Fix News poll has obama ahead 5 too - whattya know. WSJ and Faux both with unca tom 5 ahead. Seems odd, right, buy hey margin of error and all that.

besides general polls dont provide us with the relevant information, whats important, as everyone knows, is the electoral count.

So what are the electoral pollsters saying?

Nate Silver is probably the top electoral guy, with 538 - ooops loook at that. Bummmer.

Okay lets say 538 is wrong - lets look at a metapoll, like real clear politics...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...bama-1171.html

geee, who'd a thunk it...

anyway, you richie rich cocksuckers still got your debates. send richie rich some more money, maybe he can get that socialist out of there.

Pigshit. You should be aware that there are only a few so called scientific polls that are anywhere close to being reliable...and they stand at...within the margin of error...dead even.

BFT3K 09-18-2012 09:53 PM

http://electoral-vote.com/

GrantMercury 09-18-2012 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill8 (Post 19197955)
obama betrayed us all to the fucking banks and wall street and pharm companies, he's a fucking disgrace, a joke, a calamity to the dems and to the hard independent progressives, like myself.

Ah. Ideologically pure, are we?

Well it's a fucked up system. It's not Obama's system - but he needs to work within it, as do all presidents. He'll do what he needs to do to get elected / re-elected. I think it's nice to see a Democrat that actually wants to win for a change.

And speaking of "change", it comes slowly, in bits and pieces, which I know is frustrating.

I'm hoping for a more progressive Obama in his second term. With the pressure of reelection gone, we may.

Calling him an "Uncle Tom" is just petulance from an "angry liberal", and it's racist. :321GFY

Bill8 09-18-2012 10:24 PM

yes, it's racist, intentionally so to be all the more of an insult.

sucking wall street dick is a dead end for the country, so yes, ideologically driven. pure, not so much.

Bill8 09-18-2012 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 19198050)
Pigshit. You should be aware that there are only a few so called scientific polls that are anywhere close to being reliable...and they stand at...within the margin of error...dead even.

support your point.

should be easy, right. throw down the support, like I did. show me.

because I do, and did, support my points.

show me an electoral poll that is dead even.

theking 09-19-2012 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill8 (Post 19198109)
support your point.

should be easy, right. throw down the support, like I did. show me.

because I do, and did, support my points.

show me an electoral poll that is dead even.

Tuesday, September 18, 2012

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 47% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns 45% of the vote. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and three percent (3%) are undecided.

47/45 makes it dead even within the margin of error...now doesn't it?

This I know is not an electoral poll...but I am busy at the moment so this will have to suffice.

Robbie 09-19-2012 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill8 (Post 19198004)
yer just cherrypickin data.

You accuse me of "cherrypickin" and then you go and talk about a bunch of polls that are done by different organizations with different agendas and you DON'T mention the "grandaddy" and most respected of all polls.

Here is Tuesdays poll result from a real polling company:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx


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