1. As a freebie it will work, on a social network, game site it might. On a porn site???????????

2. Will it work as well as having naked girls live and online. Or as having really great innovative porn added every day, making the porn more personal????????????????

Is it cheaper than 2.? YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

Have any demos that showcase what you are doing without revealing too much?

Tried something along these lines not that long ago.

Members signed up for free and could access a few sets and they got 100 points to open more sets.

Then they could earn points by completing simple tasks. Got a few thousand email members from it and ended up closing it because it was more work than what it generated cash wise.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/gamification

I think this is a great thing. For kids. Will tell my 10 year old about it. :thumbsup

I'm amazed and somewhat flattered Damian cares so much about what I think and that he won't put up the proof because I won't believe him. While ignoring what every one else here thinks of him.

What do I think about gamification of porn?

That's an easy one to answer. The cost of doing the games will ever show enough profit to make it work. Now if someone can prove me wrong, let them show me.

Oh bless, almost 50 posts and you STILL don't understand the concept.

/me ruffles your hair.

IT'S NOT ABOUT MAKING A GAME PAUL.

Really glad someone is doing it! Can't wait to see what you're working on...

I dunno - I honestly think the whole gamification thing is fucking lame. I realize some people go for it, and for whatever reason it's seemed to have gotten Foursquare a userbase that doesn't care about fucking their own privacy, but getting points for the sake of getting points is so 80s NES.

If you can actually redeem the points for shit, THEN I can understand it but otherwise it's a glorified e-penis.

Funny reading these threads, its like trying to have an intelligent conversation with some drunk obnoxious attention seeking idiot barging in.

Maybe before posting you should contact Markham, explain what the thread is about and suggest some intelligent comments he could post.

He could then come across as the intelligent guru he desperately needs to be.

Why not make the points worth something? Many systems do that. There could be lots of prizes.

Free (trial) membership of a site you have a partnership with
Free (trial) membership of one of your own sites
Free x minutes on a cam site

etc

Also, remember these guys like status. There is a forum I run where the fans of the models are BEGGING to be made ops/admins because they want the power. So that's another thing you could make a prize.

There's loads of things...

I agree - there are ways to effectively do it and stuff like what you say makes it become more of a loyalty/rewards program rather than gamification which is usually points for the sake of points.

Do you understand the concept of keeping a promise and not lying about making donations?

/me proves your a liar.

I saw the game and to me that's what it is. Adapting it to porn and keeping it interesting, will cost real money for little return.

Even if it does work, because you can't market for shit. Everyone will be on top of it and it will go viral and free. So any advantage is negated.

A proper marketing man who has an idea, sells it to his clients so they can get the jump on everyone else.

Free, free, free. :upsidedow
If the game is too easy, you'll lose joins revenue.
If the game is hard it will only appeal to gamers, not guys who jerk off.
Having one game a month is not going to cut it, there's a need to keep the games fresh. WHERE IS THE PROFIT?

Got a link to the forum for models?

PornMD yes it can be done, that's not in dispute. What is, is whether it's profitable. Think about it, ROI.

Seriously Paul, just shut the fuck up. He's essentially talking about getting a green handle here when you hit 10,000... or reward points on a credit card except you get them for rating a video after you've jerked off to it. It's got nothing to do with games except that like a high post count you can think of it in terms of a score.. or like a coupon from a cafe with nine stamps on it, you're more likely to go back to that cafe to get your tenth coffee free than a competitor cafe.
Whether it's an epenis reward or actual monetary value, it's a marginal thing to implement to increase retention by 5% or whatever. It's not a magic bullet.. It's what you do *after* you've already made sure you've got good content and an easy to use site etc and no one is saying otherwise..
I think it's especially good for more generic sites like tube sites where a lot of the content isn't going to be remarkably different from your competitor's copies of the same flv feeds - you make sure there is a store of "effort" the user has left on your site they subconsciously don't want to "lose" by going to your competitor even if it's just the shiny badge on their profile that says they're in the "top 100" users of the site and the "67th biggest wanker" on the site because they've watched the 67th most videos whilst jerking off. No "games".. just porn and a methodology to reward people in a small way for using your site in the way it was intended.

It's nothing to do with any games Paul, as everyone keeps trying to explain to you.

But if it makes you feel good to argue against a point no one is making, that's great.

Whatever gets you through the day.

OK I get it now, vote on a video. Vote enough times and get a prize.

I researched Gamification and it was about games. This is about rewards for clicking on a button.

Maybe if he had said that in the first place and there wasn't that link to a scene where you could click through it I would of understood.

You didn't research it very well then. Try the links I posted on page one of this thread, or read any of the responses from people explaining it to you.

Or do you think Gartner are wrong?

Essentially.. it ranges from traditional reward points and stuff you'd be familiar with (like the 100 post gfy shirt here) to a more thorough implementation. The reason they don't just call it a loyalty program and justify coming up with a whole new term is that you can get pretty in depth and the rewards don't have to be real, like our green nicks.

Having a leaderboard of whatever promotes competition between users as you can see that you're falling behind or catching up with the person above you. It can be on anything.. here it would be posts, somewhere else it might be reputation points, on a porn site it might simply be videos watched or better yet, some way to engage with a sponsor's ad (remember when gfy had prizes for clicking on banners? Maybe they'd get an achievement badge or something.. just pixels on their profile no cost.).
I don't use foursquare but I've been tempted by seeing some schmuck "own" the local Japanese place here with a dozen visits (it tracks where you go and you log where you are, getting points for being in a location.. a pub, a restaurant etc) you think.. "hey I go there every week, that motherfucker doesn't own it, I should." Competition.. it's great - it makes people do pointless shit that let's thieves know they're at a pub or restaurant and not at home.

Other implementations go a lot further than a games highscore chart.. some apps turn chores or personal improvement into a "game".. so rather than collecting five dragon tails and going up a level in World of Warcraft, you get points for taking out the trash/doing your home work/exercising and go up a level in self improvement and get a "trash master" badge for doing it 50 times.. and trying to beat the guy the next level up from you that just put the clothes in the dryer or whatever.

That's the real deep gamification stuff you can get into but it's less applicable in porn.. its more for turning something boring into a game.. but expect to see a lot more achievement unlocking, points and levels on sites whether you get a real prize for it or not.. If you're a level 8 pornmaster with 390 reputation points on tubepornone.com and when you comment on a scene there are badges next to your name for 1000 foot fetish videos watched, it means when you like someone's feet you feel you've got more authority than the jerk off in the comment above who's only level 2 who said she had nasty feet or whatever. Even if tubeporntwo.com is every bit as good a site.. why let everyone level past you by watching videos there and losing your spot on tubepornone.com? More importantly it lets you track and datamine your users.

As I said, a marginal thing a lot of people won't care about but on a big enough site that couple of percent means a lot. They are also likely to be your most engaged users.

ding ding ding we have a winner

:thumbsup

And it's definitely boring.

:thumbsup

From Wiki, you can see why I thought it was a game and not just clicking on links.

Most guys paying to watch porn, are only interested in finding the lube.

It's a great idea for some place that isn't selling jerking off. for a porn site, let's wait until we see the proof.

Damian go sell the idea to one of your customers and when it's a huge success, tell us about it. Otherwise stick to raising the $3,000 to make the donation you promised.

Well, not if you read the actual words on the wiki, no, it completely explains it is nothing to do with games per se and certainly considerably more than clicking on links.

Looks like you still don't have the first clue about what it is. But you still think its shit.

Gartner disagrees.

I wonder who will be right? Markham or Gartner...

Lolsome.

I love how you wear your ignorance on your sleeve like you're proud of it!