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LatinCams 10-02-2012 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrashyContent (Post 19222892)
Ok let me try and answer this one...

We pay the model for a full days work £350-£400 plus travel (so am guessing thats around $600-700) We hire an apartment which sets us back another £120 ($180-200)

We have the model for 8 hours... now depending the level we're shooting, will depend how many scenes you can shoot (each scene being a video and pic set)

This shoot was hard solo, some with toys and some with fingers only. We comfortably shot 8 scenes in that time. I think it's a push to shoot more when you shoot to this level, mainly based on the model and the fact the human body can only take so much lol...

How many licenses do you sell for it then ?
Again sorry for the question and thxs for the answers :thumbsup

TrashyContent 10-02-2012 04:43 PM

No Problemo...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LatinCams (Post 19223998)
How many licenses do you sell for it then ?
Again sorry for the question and thxs for the answers :thumbsup

We usually sell on a semi exclusive basis, this includes keeping one license for our own paysites (yes we run paysites too) Most packages that we sell have between 10 and at the most 20 licenses...

So it's not unlimited sales, like some content which gets sold dirt cheap hundreds or thousands of time...

I have to say when I started we'd always sell a bunch of licenses straight off the bat, but like most things in the industry right now that's not the case... :Oh crap

TrashyContent 10-02-2012 04:47 PM

Trashy Site...
 
Anyone struggling to get into the Trashy Site can access it from the link in my sig... or this link http://www.trashycontent.com/packages.html :thumbsup

SmutHammer 10-02-2012 09:59 PM

Great stuff TrashyContent, I wasn't talking down when I said a "little" photoshop. just giving my opinion.

And to Paul,

If the girl knows what she is doing, yes you can shoot 8 sets in a day. If you have a girl who is a newb... it's going to be very difficult.

USA 10-02-2012 11:16 PM

she's hot

TrashyContent 10-02-2012 11:24 PM

Hey Ed...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer (Post 19224469)
Great stuff TrashyContent, I wasn't talking down when I said a "little" photoshop. just giving my opinion.

And to Paul,

If the girl knows what she is doing, yes you can shoot 8 sets in a day. If you have a girl who is a newb... it's going to be very difficult.

Hey Ed... I didn't take it in a negative way at all :thumbsup

Paul Markham 10-03-2012 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer (Post 19224469)
Great stuff TrashyContent, I wasn't talking down when I said a "little" photoshop. just giving my opinion.

And to Paul,

If the girl knows what she is doing, yes you can shoot 8 sets in a day. If you have a girl who is a newb... it's going to be very difficult.

I know it can be done, it's the level of quality we're talking about.

Did you see the scene I shot for Manwin, not bad for an sick old timer and surfers loved it. Can anyone and the model shoot 8 of those a day? No bloody way.

Did you see the scene I shot of the 2 girls picking up a guy in a car? Can anyone shoot 3 of those a day? Maybe with a huge push, it's tough. 2 is the number that gets it right.

The content being shot for Babes, Orgasm and other sites at that level are not churned out on the cheap.

What do members want when they pay for HD. Large screen crystal clear churned out porn or Large screen crystal clear great porn?

What will 90% of this industry buy or produce?

TC is merely reacting to the demands of his customers throwing 100,000s of surfers at samples to get a few to buy something and how many will they retain?

Can sites afford to step up to the higher level content that some sites have occupied for the last 12 years? No.

Over the last 14 years I have talked to many sponsors and site owners and it nearly always came to the same thing. They simply could not afford to step up to the level others could.

In the mid 2000s many had the chance to step up to a better level. Most chose to throw mare traffic at the same sites.

TrashyContent 10-03-2012 06:37 AM

Ok...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19224561)
I know it can be done, it's the level of quality we're talking about.

Did you see the scene I shot for Manwin, not bad for an sick old timer and surfers loved it. Can anyone and the model shoot 8 of those a day? No bloody way.

Did you see the scene I shot of the 2 girls picking up a guy in a car? Can anyone shoot 3 of those a day? Maybe with a huge push, it's tough. 2 is the number that gets it right.

The content being shot for Babes, Orgasm and other sites at that level are not churned out on the cheap.

What do members want when they pay for HD. Large screen crystal clear churned out porn or Large screen crystal clear great porn?

What will 90% of this industry buy or produce?

TC is merely reacting to the demands of his customers throwing 100,000s of surfers at samples to get a few to buy something and how many will they retain?

Can sites afford to step up to the higher level content that some sites have occupied for the last 12 years? No.

Over the last 14 years I have talked to many sponsors and site owners and it nearly always came to the same thing. They simply could not afford to step up to the level others could.

In the mid 2000s many had the chance to step up to a better level. Most chose to throw mare traffic at the same sites.

So Paul you think the average surfer wants some kind of hollywood production styled porn ? Well sorry I dont agree... I know X-Art (or what ever it's called) is all the rage right now, do I watch it myself when I am horny and am surfing for porn, sometimes yes... but more often than not that's based on the girl... 9 times out of 10 I watch something much rawer...

I find a more amateur shot video more appealing to be frank... I want to jerk off and spunk ! Too much information maybe ? I dont want too much of a story line, I aint analying the lighting, compusure, framing of the video... I want the girl to look hot, and moan enough in the 2 or 3 minutes it takes me to cum ! Job done...

Some people over analyse porn, when it comes to shooting it... most people are only interested in speeding through the video to achieve their goal... climax !

You are right when I shoot content (and I have spoke to other shooters who also regually shoot 8-10 scenes) I know the girl (with one or two exceptions) will struggle towards the end... so as I said in a earlier statement, some of the content towards the end is more filler content, doesn't make it crap however...

If someone paid me $3000 to shoot a hard solo scene trust me it would be mind blowing lol... what's the link to the scene you shot for manwin ? Would love to give you a critique from the prospective of a young up and coming pornographer :winkwink:

Paul Markham 10-03-2012 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrashyContent (Post 19227622)
So Paul you think the average surfer wants some kind of hollywood production styled porn ? Well sorry I dont agree... I know X-Art (or what ever it's called) is all the rage right now, do I watch it myself when I am horny and am surfing for porn, sometimes yes... but more often than not that's based on the girl... 9 times out of 10 I watch something much rawer...

I find a more amateur shot video more appealing to be frank... I want to jerk off and spunk ! Too much information maybe ? I dont want too much of a story line, I aint analying the lighting, compusure, framing of the video... I want the girl to look hot, and moan enough in the 2 or 3 minutes it takes me to cum ! Job done...

Some people over analyse porn, when it comes to shooting it... most people are only interested in speeding through the video to achieve their goal... climax !

You are right when I shoot content (and I have spoke to other shooters who also regually shoot 8-10 scenes) I know the girl (with one or two exceptions) will struggle towards the end... so as I said in a earlier statement, some of the content towards the end is more filler content, doesn't make it crap however...

If someone paid me $3000 to shoot a hard solo scene trust me it would be mind blowing lol... what's the link to the scene you shot for manwin ? Would love to give you a critique from the prospective of a young up and coming pornographer :winkwink:

NO and I never said he did.

Amateur can be quality porn, in fact any niche or style can be quality porn AND.

Hollywood production styled porn

Can be crap.

Go and work out the rest for yourself.

John-ACWM 10-03-2012 08:50 AM

Kinky :thumbsup

Paul Markham 10-03-2012 08:51 AM

So what is quality porn?
 
SO WHAT IS QUALITY PORN?

Well it has nothing to do with the niche, looks of the girl, exposure, crystal clear image. In fact a guy can shoot his GF, or a girl he's. jerking off for him and create quality porn. done it a few times myself. :winkwink:

It's definitely not amateur or hollywood style porn.

It's in producing an image like this.

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...orrestPB06.JPG

Of any girl in any niche and any style. It's in the message she sends to the viewer. This girl by the looks of it is good at posing,

It's not this.

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...vaDalush04.JPG

Because of the way she's looking at us and the mix of the other images.

Quality porn video is a girl or boy convincing the viewer it's real emotions and not an act. Naturally the emotions have to be right to fit the niche. Can a girl do 8 videos and deliver 8 scenes with emotions that convince. Can the videos be different enough to not start blending into each other. Can the videos deliver the fantasy that makes quality porn, quality?

Take looks at the girls expressions and judge for yourself. https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1083844 Shooting it Amateur or Hollywood makes little difference.

NaughtyRob 10-03-2012 08:52 AM

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TrashyContent 10-03-2012 08:53 AM

Hmmm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19228735)
SO WHAT IS QUALITY PORN?

Well it has nothing to do with the niche, looks of the girl, exposure, crystal clear image. In fact a guy can shoot his GF, or a girl he's. jerking off for him and create quality porn. done it a few times myself. :winkwink:

It's definitely not amateur or hollywood style porn.

It's in producing an image like this.

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...orrestPB06.JPG

Of any girl in any niche and any style. It's in the message she sends to the viewer. This girl by the looks of it is good at posing,

It's not this.

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...vaDalush04.JPG

Because of the way she's looking at us and the mix of the other images.

Quality porn video is a girl or boy convincing the viewer it's real emotions and not an act. Naturally the emotions have to be right to fit the niche. Can a girl do 8 videos and deliver 8 scenes with emotions that convince. Can the videos be different enough to not start blending into each other. Can the videos deliver the fantasy that makes quality porn, quality?

Take looks at the girls expressions and judge for yourself. https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1083844 Shooting it Amateur or Hollywood makes little difference.

Glad you let me work it out for myself... :winkwink:

helterskelter808 10-03-2012 09:07 AM

Where's the link to the Manwin scene?

Paul Markham 10-03-2012 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19228947)
Where's the link to the Manwin scene?

It's been taken off, it was well voted for and shut a lot of the haters up.

Maybe I should upload some scenes to a Tube and link to them in my blog. Tubes that allow votes. Suggestions?

Better idea, how about someone shows me how to put an FLV on my blog?

TrashyContent 10-03-2012 01:05 PM

Cool... Story Bro !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19229129)
It's been taken off, it was well voted for and shut a lot of the haters up.

Maybe I should upload some scenes to a Tube and link to them in my blog. Tubes that allow votes. Suggestions?

Better idea, how about someone shows me how to put an FLV on my blog?

With the success of this first scene, and it's success with the end viewer, how many scenes are Manwin getting you to shoot each month ? Surely they are banging your door down, no ?

LatinCams 10-03-2012 02:03 PM

If were not for the tits I will say that the first girl is definately Beatriz Luengo https://youtube.com/watch?v=Qewes81kHOE

LatinCams 10-03-2012 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrashyContent (Post 19224061)
We usually sell on a semi exclusive basis, this includes keeping one license for our own paysites (yes we run paysites too) Most packages that we sell have between 10 and at the most 20 licenses...

So it's not unlimited sales, like some content which gets sold dirt cheap hundreds or thousands of time...

I have to say when I started we'd always sell a bunch of licenses straight off the bat, but like most things in the industry right now that's not the case... :Oh crap

This is the last question i promiss :(
How much can a License Cost for example for semi exclusive of the first girl ?
Thxs in advance for the info. :thumbsup

Paul Markham 10-03-2012 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrashyContent (Post 19230353)
With the success of this first scene, and it's success with the end viewer, how many scenes are Manwin getting you to shoot each month ? Surely they are banging your door down, no ?

They would if I shot my quality at your price, go figure.

TC made it harder for me please.

DeanCapture 10-03-2012 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrashyContent (Post 19223517)

Maybe J-Rock and Dean Capture could rip my work apart... but sorry Paul I take your comments very lightly....

Unlike Paul, I would never comment on another producers work unless specifically asked to do so. Paul feels the need to do this to make himself feel superior to others. I have nothing to prove so I just keep my mouth shut. I let my work do the talking for me and aside from a few haters & trolls, I usually get positive feedback on it. This burns Markhams' ass so he attacks me every chance he gets. There are a few other producers who can't stand to see positive comments about my work so they hate.

Do yourself a favor and don't waste one more minute arguing with Markham. You have nothing to prove to him and his advice is worthless. Taking advice from a hater and a troll whose life has been reduced to sitting behind his keyboard picking fights with other producers in an effort to elevate his feelings of self-worth is just a retarded thing to do.

If you ever want my opinion, just email me. If you ever want Markhams' opinion, just post a picture and he'll come a runnin' to tell you what he thinks of your work.... whether you want to hear it or not :1orglaugh

http://deancapture.com/pics/aailyahl.jpg

michael.kickass 10-03-2012 04:08 PM

great content as usual :thumbsup

TrashyContent 10-03-2012 04:16 PM

Hey...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LatinCams (Post 19230463)
This is the last question i promiss :(
How much can a License Cost for example for semi exclusive of the first girl ?
Thxs in advance for the info. :thumbsup

I have told Ava about "Beatriz" :winkwink:

I sell each license for $400, so you get a girl's content... usually 8-10 scenes pics and videos for $400... we do offer multiple girl discount... so like the more girls you take the better the price... When you work out the cost per unit (scene) then it's very competative :D

TrashyContent 10-03-2012 04:18 PM

Hmmm...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19230466)
They would if I shot my quality at your price, go figure.

TC made it harder for me please.

What do you mean my price ? Do you know what my price is... hmmmm I charge $10,000 per scene, oh so that must make me better than you now ;)

A hooker that wears a dress, compared to a hooker that wears hotpants... is still a hooker ! I dont dress it up, I know I am the hooker in the hotpants... you can put on a dress, fuck it even throw on some earings... but your still a hooker !

And sorry "TC made it harder for me" ? I did what Viagra and Cialis couldn't ? WINNING !

TrashyContent 10-03-2012 04:22 PM

Hey Dean...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanCapture (Post 19230642)
Unlike Paul, I would never comment on another producers work unless specifically asked to do so. Paul feels the need to do this to make himself feel superior to others. I have nothing to prove so I just keep my mouth shut. I let my work do the talking for me and aside from a few haters & trolls, I usually get positive feedback on it. This burns Markhams' ass so he attacks me every chance he gets. There are a few other producers who can't stand to see positive comments about my work so they hate.

Do yourself a favor and don't waste one more minute arguing with Markham. You have nothing to prove to him and his advice is worthless. Taking advice from a hater and a troll whose life has been reduced to sitting behind his keyboard picking fights with other producers in an effort to elevate his feelings of self-worth is just a retarded thing to do.

If you ever want my opinion, just email me. If you ever want Markhams' opinion, just post a picture and he'll come a runnin' to tell you what he thinks of your work.... whether you want to hear it or not :1orglaugh

http://deancapture.com/pics/aailyahl.jpg

Yes your right... I should know better by now, I guess it's a Brit thing, well that and the fact I love Poker... I just love a bit of banter ;)

And I love your work Dean, I am envious you get that great Californian weather to work with, where as I am always preying for a bit of sun (even though I rarely, like never shoot outside) and of course all the talent pool of the good old USA... I do intend to get out to American at some point to shoot... it would be sureal to say Hi over a coffee (or beer) if your about when I am :thumbsup

*waits for Paul to start talking about Bro Love now*

LatinCams 10-03-2012 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrashyContent (Post 19230662)
I have told Ava about "Beatriz" :winkwink:

www.beatrizluengo.com is free do a Paysite with her :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup:thumbsup

pornsprite 10-03-2012 05:13 PM

Hot Stuff

Paul Markham 10-03-2012 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanCapture (Post 19230642)
Unlike Paul, I would never comment on another producers work unless specifically asked to do so. Paul feels the need to do this to make himself feel superior to others. I have nothing to prove so I just keep my mouth shut. I let my work do the talking for me and aside from a few haters & trolls, I usually get positive feedback on it. This burns Markhams' ass so he attacks me every chance he gets. There are a few other producers who can't stand to see positive comments about my work so they hate.

Do yourself a favor and don't waste one more minute arguing with Markham. You have nothing to prove to him and his advice is worthless. Taking advice from a hater and a troll whose life has been reduced to sitting behind his keyboard picking fights with other producers in an effort to elevate his feelings of self-worth is just a retarded thing to do.

If you ever want my opinion, just email me. If you ever want Markhams' opinion, just post a picture and he'll come a runnin' to tell you what he thinks of your work.... whether you want to hear it or not :1orglaugh

So we all have to be like you, gotya.

I saw your work in Twistys and yes you take a single picture. But it's obvious to anyone looking at your sets why you never sold to magazines. You could never compete with the likes of Hicks and Thomas, from what I saw. And that's the level you would need to rise to.

Your sets lacked enough poses, often you were getting poses wrong and getting the girls look wrong.

I was more impressed with you video work than your stills work.

I understand you might of been working under the restraints of budgets, having to get out too much content in the day to make the price profitable. And that isn't your fault, it's the fault of sponsors who pay badly.

I get annoyed seeing all the comments from people who think nearly every picture of a nude girl here is great. Because the truth is we sell videos, few surfers will sign up and stay on a site purely with pictures. Ad impressing members is what makes them spend money.

I get annoyed when we spend so little on the product, thinking it's worth so little. Now a few have moved up to a better level. Bit late, better late than never.

Should we ignore the quality of the product we sell? Well it seems you would.

TrashyContent 10-04-2012 07:06 AM

Hmmm...
 
Pretty glad my thread got Hijacked by Paul Markham... go figure :(

Paul Markham 10-04-2012 07:41 AM

I'm not scared. https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19231760&postcount=38

MattPornerBros 10-04-2012 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrashyContent (Post 19231719)
Pretty glad my thread got Hijacked by Paul Markham... go figure :(

Save it for the rest of us with some more pictures. :winkwink:

TrashyContent 10-04-2012 10:04 AM

Ask And You Will Receive...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MattPornerBros (Post 19231783)
Save it for the rest of us with some more pictures. :winkwink:

Ask And You Will Receive !!! Third Girl Sofia Cortez...

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...CortezPB01.JPG

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...CortezPB02.JPG

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...CortezPB03.JPG

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...CortezPB04.JPG

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...CortezPB05.JPG

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...CortezPB06.JPG

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...CortezPB07.JPG

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...CortezPB08.JPG

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...CortezPB09.JPG

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...CortezPB10.JPG

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...CortezPB11.JPG

http://modelgirlfriends.com/images/b...CortezPB12.JPG

*waits for more Paul Markham Critique* :Oh crap

So before he say's it... these are unedited pics, yes she is a muscly little freak... and yes her eyebrows are fucked ! :winkwink:

Paul Markham 10-04-2012 10:19 AM

She's hot

I like the buns.

looks good from here!

Looks good indeed

I fapped

I'd fuck her.

looking good

Looking great

awesome

very sexy

nice hottie

I feel like boneprone but I can't resist.... I fucked her

Does she want a cock?

nice model dude, congrats!

Nice work, sexy chick, great ass btw.

like her, and like the fact she is 'raw',

Nice body and a very nice beaver

Great stuff TrashyContent,

Happy now?

TrashyContent 10-04-2012 10:29 AM

Hmmm...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19232080)
She's hot

I like the buns.

looks good from here!

Looks good indeed

I fapped

I'd fuck her.

looking good

Looking great

awesome

very sexy

nice hottie

I feel like boneprone but I can't resist.... I fucked her

Does she want a cock?

nice model dude, congrats!

Nice work, sexy chick, great ass btw.

like her, and like the fact she is 'raw',

Nice body and a very nice beaver

Great stuff TrashyContent,

Happy now?

Nope Paul... your positive comments (even if a copy and paste) are no more or no less significant to me than your negative ones...

Paul Markham 10-04-2012 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrashyContent (Post 19232087)
Nope Paul... your positive comments (even if a copy and paste) are no more or no less significant to me than your negative ones...

All the praise these guys give out is rarely worth the effort it took to type it.

The last girl would be great, if you had shot her amateur style.

You won't take any notice, but this isn't a private discussion. Others are reading.


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