Originally Posted by adultmobile
(Post 19237474)
No new cam girls in mfc?
There are more new cam girls per month today than there was before, in all the cam sites! More models than pay members, no site misses models, these knock the door of cam sites to register every day. But more new girls quit after first month as they fail to do money as easy as hoped.
As an user, you do not see new girls in mfc, because there is no new girls in first page from years! But do you know there are other 20+ pages (which is 1000+ girls) if you only browse? No one cares to them :(
Drama of mfc girls (less on other sites) it is their placement = the camscore, much like google search results placement for webmasters, guys do not browse more than 2 pages of mfc as well as of google results. New girls start in page 5+ at camscore 1000, and most end up camscore 500 = page 10+ after first week, sitting lonely and poor forever.
Why they sit there alone? In the hope one day someone sends a big tip so their camscore go up, to the first page where every model does crazy money, just like winning a lottery. So thousands of models keep MFC open like a facebook, something "you have to keep open like skype, in background", in meantime being in other sites to get private at times, showing its video for free in mfc via splitcam, keeping mfc a traffic success... models self-pirate their own private chats of livejasmin, streamate etc. into mfc! In hope for tip to raise ranking into first page.
Note that girls will not sit with no tips in other sites than mfc as no other site got so big tips in first page (= not easy to copy mfc as new cam site). We adapted to mfc business model by launch tubecamgirl.com in 2011 and I have to say it works; girls show free and someone send tips... but if no tips the girls quit (as we got no win-lottery tips in first page, we are just one page all site!). Most new cam sites are freemium approach. But we and others would not do this, if mfc did not existed! But mfc exists. It is same as say "my business model would work if there was no tubes", but tubes exists, so? You adapt rather than be Paul Markhamish "it was better before" vent.
Streamate is the cam whitelabel for 90% of tubes, this should help :)
It may be true that in general the income per cam girl, average, it dropped, but this is mostly because there are more cam girls, esp. new cam girls who try and quit shortly after, so they made "no money", lowering the average money done. But quite "pro" models esp. those who do shifts in studios and put in many sites in splitcam with good organisation, tends to do ok money. Or few home models who are "pro" and got bf-whale.
But sites do same money: if a cam site had 100 girls doing 10 each in 2010 this is $1000; today got 1000 girls doing $1 each it is still $1000; in general if a cam site fails it got no any girl online, if there's girls online, these are doing money (except in mfc they sit for real free forever, I explained why), so any cam site with models online is doing ok, believe me :)
Ok here Paul on 2 out of the 3 statements, you are so wrong :)
So your 3 statements:
1) "While the cams spend so much money on traffic, free porn will flourish.". This is correct. But why we the cam sites spend so much money on traffic? Because we make even more money = profit from such traffic... or simply we would have stopped to pay for such a traffic. So if I buy $1000 of free traffic, this converts to the cam site (of course after several months or even years, it is not immediate) into $2000+.
2) "If girls are making less, the businesses they work for are making less.". No really, the cam sites can add more cam girls and make same or more. Like a tube site cam add more (stolen) videos to make more money total. In 2008 the big cam sites had 400-500 cam girls online at same time at most, now 1000-1200. Let average income per cam girl be one third, we put 3 times more cam girls online = same money total. Not so easy to do money for every cam girl as it was before, same as for webmasters, or any business like doing t-shirts where in China and India they compete, not as easy as before.
3) "Traffic isn't the key. Getting them to spend money is." No no no no. Always someone will get inspired to buy, even on surprise. If whoever will decide to spend money for anything, he will do in the site where he is, in that moment. And not elsewhere. So if you got the whole internet lurking on a free cam site (one of 3000 free users in a caa girl room), you are sure if any of those 3000 will ever decide to spend in cams, will do in this site and not elsewhere. As a bonus you let other sites fail, as they're empty. The main point (of cam business today) is to have most guys in your cam site rather than elsewhere. I see guys to buy first time after 1 year they lurk, nojoke! As somethng happens in their life, or they see a girl they fall in love finally - but they must be in your site in that moment, not elsewhere. There the freemium goes.
It is simply no more super easy to do money as cam girl as before. I remember my first cam sites in 2004 and 2005: for cam girls it was enough to sit there and beg for private in broken english, then in private do clone shows, and this was banking ok. Now the guys are no more so impressed by a naked girl in cam, they want her to be also funny or different, to be online when customer is online so to make a more real friendship and so on. So the clone dumb cam girl who are online rnadomly and don't care to appointments with "friends" can have very bad time today, as it is for the lazy noob affiliate who thinks will be rich by register few domains and put a whitelabel to it and nothing else.
I agree about where to get the traffic, simply we get from where it is. In the past most of our traffic came from pay site member areas, that was golden traffic but also a lot, there was member areas with 1000's of members, now it is hard to find one with 100's - and where it is the new paysites?
About the 300 in cam rooom with 5 guys tipping, this is 3000 with 2 guys tipping really (lol), but anyway shoud it be made clear that: 1) only myfreecams it is banking with tips seriously, all other cam sites still rely mostly on private even if mfc-ized biz model, and 2) the fact some cam site opened to free shows, does not mean this replaces the old way... in fact for example we got old "pay for even see nipple" site chatgf.com still there, unchanged, and added a tubecamgirl.com new site for tips. Streamray kept cams.com and added stripshow.com for freemium. So I agree xlovecam, livejasmin should be kept as is, unchanged, just could add a freemium site with other name, independently, examples are many and I think it is the way to go. In fact to mfc-ize an old style site it can result in a total fail mix, as self-cannibalizing the clothed girl business (including old style cam girls complaining the next thumbnail is a free dildo drilling show), still not being a success with freemium (big tip elevates ego only in mfc first page...), so that's a cam-site suicide finally, to create a smaller-mfc who also don't get privates...
To sum on the topic "Are cam girls making less these days?", then my answer it is:
In average, yes, because there are more cam girls and trend it is more and more girls try go to in cams, even if most will give up after a short try as too hard for them to do money they hoped (especially westerns).
Case by case: there was never cam girls doing as much as $50,000 a month as some top mfc cam girls are doing now - but they are few dozens in the world only, it is the same to say it is easier to do money in internet today than before, because Zuckerberg made money with facebook. How many zuckenberg here, does it counts as example for average joe - or top mfc girl count for average cam-jane?
At the same time, there was never cam girls doing as low as $100 per month for 8 hours a day shift as some do now (new ones who try then quit). Because more competition, more skills needed and so on - it is not an easy or sure job. A random lazy cam girl who is online at random times from home while watching TV and feeding her dog is not likely banking in cams anytime soon :)
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