They hardly exist on MFC anymore, but you wouldn't make it on MFC anyway if you aren't willing to show in public, hell we can't even get you to show your tits on gfy.

100% false, if that were the case they'd be enforcing them, they have nothing to do with minors. The rules were put in place long ago on the traditional ppv cam sites to create more surfer curiosity and generate more privates.

you were referring to free nudity tipping sites where girls go wild for tips:winkwink: and on those sites the girls that go wild...take it one step further... are probably very popular... so other girls will (have to) follow in order to survive

anyway... not important...

And never will lol because livejasmine paid well and if I wanted to show I would return to them because they pay on time and treated my questions with quick turn around time

If LJ paid so well, why did you become hosting sales rep?

nothing worse then when someone has never worn your shoes and thinks they know what it's like to sit behind the cam . Yea yea I agree to disagree

Because I wanted to move out of that and use my brain not tits n ass

I'm more then that and wanted to go to school n make a living to teach my kid it can be done

I never claimed to know what its like to be a camgirl, you just seem to have many misconceptions about the cam biz and are out of touch with what's going on now.

Good for you, I wish you all the success in the world.

Thank you. I'm not saying you are wrong I'm just saying its my observation and opinion . The cam life is great but for some it can cause life problems and raising a kid while being trapped in your bedroom is never a smart motherhood move

Hosting can pay more than any cam girl could ever get. A wise woman would get on the other side of the camera

Hmmmmmm...

I watch a particular cam girl regularly on MFC, she tries to hold out for as long as possible but if she's having a bad day and somebody tips a small amount near her going home time (she works fixed hours in a studio) she'll do a full show in the hope of stimulating the remainders to chip in. Maybe the camsites software needs to get more flexible ? Put the power back into the models hands, have a PVT option controlled by the model, at the push of a button she'll do a show and anybody who has not tipped in the last X number of minutes can't view. X being a number controlled by the model.

Oh and there are many girls on multiple sites, even using the same name, so girl goes private on site 1 but that's a freeview on site 2 :)

If you not noticed yet, major rumor thread going:

"Manwin Buys Streamate"
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1084543

There's girls that really know how to work multiple sites simultaneous. They'lll do a private on streamate and broadcast it in public free on MFC and rake in the tips. Also, the smart ones will get their own site and put the url on their MFC broadcast since this is permitted and send nice targeted traffic to their site.

I agree with you on almost every point, except that the Asian girls messed up MFC. We've been seeing European and American girls do full nudity and fuck every hole with their toys for several years. It was a constant topic, causing a great deal of anger on the old AWE forum.

IMHO, the free shows and tube sites have had a debilitating effect on the industry. But the greatest challenge to Affiliates has come from the exponential growth of the internet.

When the recession kicked in back in 2008 to 2009, people started looking everywhere for alternate sources of income. Building websites was a viable alternative. I switched a lot of my effort toward recruiting Affiliates, primarily for AWE.

I know. What a colossal mistake that turned out to be, when they stripped our lifetime earnings away from us.

Anyway, the Internet exploded. If I recall correctly, we hit One Billion websites and One Trillion pages of content sometime late in 2010.

At the same time, a lot of girls jumped in front of the cam for the first time. These untrained rookies, without the benefit of studio training, just didn't have the same skills and perseverance.

Still, just as all the newcomers on the Affiliate side diluted our income, their presence diluted the earnings pool for Models.

That's my theory, and I would submit the statistics support it

Asians and chicks blowing up balloons drunk ... Guys sit and watch while some old fart that's addicted to the site tips. They get a free ride while willy wonks grandpa throws tips

One hundred broke cam sluts.

LOL what's very true is the "grandpa" is who throw tips.
The biggest spenders i.e. whales are guys mostly 40-50 years old, it is rare to see one younger than 30-35 yr really. Some are so old (70+) you wonder how they can operate computers, but they are retired and sit on piles of cash, so this works well.

How do you know how old they are? They always say they are rich and handsome. That isn't true either. :)

Still I presume you are right, and I've always though I should test playing different period music to see if I can find the right period to attract the right age group. e.g. 50 year old today was 20 in 1982, so we go here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboa...ingles_of_1982

I guess I could work to a few of those...

yeah it's the old guys who spend the big bucks on cam girls - same thing with solo girl sites, most of the fan mail is from guys 40 plus and many are way over 40, most of the wishlist gifts from older men.

I can't know from their site accont, but cam girls know and tell me some stuff about notable whales... and they're all 35+, often divorced. Guys at risk of cam addiction are 40+ year olds just divorced (within first 6-12 months from a bad divorce). First hing in a chat is what your name and how are you old, and both guy and girl may cheat on age. Girls are always 18 or max 22 guess what I have their ID's that's not always so accurate.

About customers... a cam girl end up knowing the real age of a guy who spend thousand dollars on her, even if the guy at start not tell age or cuts 10 or 20 years. Some granny user even show himself in cam and this is live so can't send a 1980's photo when he was young, claiming that's a new photo. Of course a number of them will send 1980's photo and never open own cam, still I am not seeing young guys spending anything - and if they do is very little, and if they spend big the chargeback is probable.

Typical chargeback it is 20 year olds who went living on their own for first year university, relying on parents money, and wasting such money very quick on parties then returning drunk they will waste a further $100-$300 in cams. Then when collected a $1000+ debt with cam site, canceling card or parents cut their funds and chargeback all.

Real reason tube trafficdoes not convert it is that 30% it is under 18 (guys start operate computers at age 10 and first site they go to test it is pornhub), rest it is under 35, and the right age guys are so few.

Those older guys are the guys who were taught they had to pay for pussy and be grateful for what they got. Most people discovered free pictures, movies, etc in 1996-7. Any guy born after 1980 will be unlikely to pay for porn, or cams.

But the guys born '75 and earlier will pay until they're 80.

Such gentlemen ... Gotta love them

I'd like to offer a new spin on this. "Broke Housewife" syndrome (TM)

Webcam girls were raping in the money (yes raping not raking)

However you're 100% in noticing these sites drying up. I just had a interesting conversation with a group of people about why this is. Seems to me that the common everyday girl has found out that, "hey I can flash my pussy on cam and get free money, it's easier then stripping!"

Well now all the markets are saturated with girls that don't take time to devolop a fanbase or run their shows as a fun experience, but yet just sit there waiting for someone to tip them before doing anything. Personally I'll never understand any monger tipping girls to reach a goal for a peak at the boobs. This isn't 1996. It's always been you tip for a girl actually doing something. MFC is a perfect example of a site going downhill fast. The first 3-4 rows of girls were hot, experienced, and you had something fun going on! (Liked that oxford comma didn't you) Take a look around now... shit ugly girls with terrible attitudes just sitting there bored with these gay ass white boards and shit behind them tracking who's paid what totally taking you out of any sense of sexual excitement.

The flood of housewives into the market has killed tips. It works out well for the surfers though, after sitting there forever girls still end up doing shit for free because "fred with one arm gave them 100 tokens 45 minutes ago"

I check out the Streamate Gold Shows from time to time and you are absolutely right. Most of the girls just sit there doing nothing. Why would I pay them any money at all? I want to be entertained. I want to like the girl. I want to see more of what she has going on.

Some of the girls are great. They really know how to work the crowd and you will consistently see them meet their Gold Show goals. Other girls? It's no wonder they always cash in below goals. They suck. There are definitely more bad cam girls than good.

Well some do cam because lazy for a real job, and so will be too lazy for cam girl job too which is not as easy as they think. Others are not lazy but simply not trained, so wrong strategy or not entertaining, but I see some talking drama gets business as guys search for drama too. There's not a "cam girl license" like a drivers license... everyone showing naked can go online and you get what you get, anyway that's so many girls trying and this is inflationary even for the pro girls.

I have admins checking all the time for girls who leave the room empty (I not mean go pee, I mean go out shopping and leave sofa on screen) or are fallen asleep.. until wake up next... I even seen a guy tipping a sleeping girl in hope to wake her up with the tip sound, we got an applause clap clap clap one.. funny as the guy sent lots small tips and could hear the tip sound in her room, but the girl not waked up at all, she was like stoned.

Yea they eat on cam and talk on the phone. As far I I knew you were to have your face showing or visible to some degree at all times , no sleeping eating or talking on the phone. The part that sucks is when they never talk and have music blaring and all you see is their eyes reading and the sigh real loud like they are bored.

I constantly see chunky/fat American women with 30+ people in their rooms... and then if you skip 1 or 2 pages ahead.. you see a plethora of dropdead gorgeous Russians with 0 people in their room.

I guess at the end of the day.. people are willing to sacrifice looks in exchange for someone with the ability to communicate beyond just "heey BB!"

Yea the more social girl welcomes them when they enter the room by name and makes them feel important

Perhaps not everyone shares the same ideas on 'good looks'. And whereas East Euros may be superficially attractive, if you dig the bony/heavily made up prostitute look, they're boring and commonplace.

They're often devoid of personality, have rudimentary English and, crucially, they have no idea about, affinity with or connection to Western customers or culture.

If they can't make $500 a week on cam, then why the hell would they do it in the first place?

I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm just saying that I can't imagine doing cams and not making that much money.

I do.

Girls make BIG money on MFC ($1,000 plus per session)... there are some highly misinformed people in this thread

I'm not arguing with you - but even the models bragging on stripperweb don't say that. Some, a few, may make that, but based on what the actual models say, most don't. If you are working with high end models with large fan bases or well known porn models then maybe it appears that way.

Great discussion here. I'm interested in getting into cam sites so is good research for me. Dou you see cams becoming more popular with faster internet speed and the shift towards tipping in public room?

Faster internet speed it helped to switch from 320x240 to 640x480 and may increase further as a quality, this surely helps the popularity as it looks like TV and more people may find it worth watching.

Shift towards tipping in public room: this increase user base to those who would have closed the page to a clothed girl. As they land to naked or playing girl, nice to watch, even if you would have not cared to chat anyone. With time, those guys may start to wish even chat or tip.

Also the modern cam sites can run on iphone/ipads/android phones. This does not mean completely new customers who land first with a phone and use phone only and always. From our stats, we see guys who land first with pc/max and mostly use pc/mac, also login at times from phone. And even chat or tip from phone, so they login even on the move, just to say hello or see what's news, still the main stuff they do on a big monitor or even TV at home... small screens not best for video, esp if you pay (private chats).

Finally, more people are used to chat due to facebook chat and other messengers, so it is mainstream, even grandpa's now know how to chat between them in facebook. Young guys are native digital but also native freeloaders, so in the long run it could be when old guys will become those who are born after 1990-1995, they will have issues in paying for anything, including tips or cams :)