I'm pointing out that it's kinda fucked up that an ambassador in a safe country like France has a full marine detail.

As for Libya....you might want to understand that our embassy and consulates are US soil. The Libyans nor anybody else has any say so over whether we have marines there or not.
It is defacto US territory.

That's how embassies work.

Your slavish devotion to baby jesus Obama is bordering on creepy. If you can't see that this is a HUGE fuck up and cover up then you are indeed just a blind partisan to the cult of personality that is Obama.

No need to hyperventilate. The statement had been made that a US flag was lowered, and a Chinese flag was flying over a factory in the US, yet there was no visible proof that indeed there was a Chinese flag flying over the Illinois factory.

Therefore, I searched for the proof, since if people were all up in arms over the sight, you would think one of them might have taken a photo of this blasphemy.

As I stated, during my cursory search, I could not locate the smoking gun picture which would back up the hyperbole. Instead, the only photo I could find of a Chinese flag flying in front of a Senestra plant, was the one which I posted (there are variations of the same shot on numerous sites).

If you read my post, I didn't even take a side - since you are so convinced that there is a Chinese flag flying in front of the Illinois Sensata plant, then by all means, please post it, and bolster your case.

Here is a photo of the front of the Sensata plant in Illinois - the American flag is visible, and no Chinese flag is in sight:

http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net...ot_480x320.jpg

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/osc1.jpg

ADG

Oh, so you're not talking about what the workers claim, or what the reports say, but about what some random internet nobody happened to post in the comments of a story somehere? :1orglaugh

Hint: what happens in the bottom half the of the internet is not even worth reading, let alone taking seriously.

I believe what I said was:

I do believe that I said that I think the complaint is legitimate, did I not? The picture I saw was in the comments on the KOS page. It was the same picture ADG posted and the context implied that it was the plant in Illionois.

The Fucking Idiots Fuhrmanizing the thing are the people who make up shit like implying that that is a picture of an Illinois plant. Unnecessary to make up shit when you already have a good case. Those people do not help the workers case in any way.

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You are expecting people here to know who Fuhrman is and what your comment meant. Giving way too much credit I fear.

Your slavish devotion to baby jesus Obama is bordering on creepy.... OK?

First off I am blaming Obama for the whole Libya situation. Sorry I'm not mad about a supposed terrorist attack in a country that the U.S.A. has helped overthrow the government. Obama couldn't send marines in because the new Libyan Government was worried about perception, and Obama obliged because he wanted to keep the war covert.

The point I'm making is its a pretty trivial arguement to have. Obama, Republicans, and the CIA have lied about the entire Libya mission but somehow now there is outrage over this?

You can call me a sheep but you literrally spew republican talking points, then when anyone questions a republican you call them a sheep.

I have no horse in this race, I am Canadian. You may say then what do you care, well I have had four friends go to Afghanistan, and my buddies dad was flying missions over Libya. All of this was for the U.S.A. and their never ending war machine. So I don't buy the bullshit stories both parties are saying. And I don't trust the party that lied to the entire world to justify a war in Iraq.

Some people have never been to Illinois and are more than likely to confuse it with somewhere in China.

Why would it? The workers claim the flag was replaced for one week, until the Chinese had left. Do you have any reason to believe the workers all got together and conspired to lie about something, and that's the best/worst they could come up with? A flag replaced for a week?

It seems entirely plausible to me that they'd put up a Chinese flag for their Chinese visitors for the duration of their stay. Apparently other people believe it's more plausible that American workers would conspire to lie about such a thing.

Okay, I think more people understand it than you do apparently, but:

Fuhrman - Reference to Mark Fuhrman, detective during the OJ investigation and trial. Accused of inventing evidence. Pretty much took an air tight case and destroyed it because it called all the evidence into question at that point.

To be more specific, Fuhrman, an LAPD cop said he had never used the "N" word. No one in LA County (possibly the country) believed that lie.

Okay. Just seemed like you were following the Obama bullshit. I apologize for lumping you in with ObamaMania lol

But again...that is OUR embassy and consulate buildings. They are technically and legally and in every way AMERICAN SOIL. Property of the U.S.A.

We do not ask or tell other countries what we do in our embassy. They don't ask or tell us either.

By the way...AFTER the attack, Obama did send in marines yesterday (a month too late) to reinforce.

I guess it's okay now?

Dude, we don't have to ask anybody for permission for what we do in our embassy.

There were even big scandals about spying back and forth on embassies. Remember?

The Russians supposedly had spy equipment built into the building of our embassy in Moscow back in the Cold War days? We ripped it all out.

You're just wrong on what you are thinking about the lack of security there.
It was a fuck up on the part of the State Dept.

The Obama administration then tried to cover it up so they wouldn't have to point the finger at the head of the State Dept. (Hillary Clinton) because it would hurt them this close to the election.

I heard one of Obama's surrogates on the news saying that "Yes, heads will roll" over this, but it's going to take a few months to "investigate"
In other words...AFTER the election.

I agree. That's why comments should be ignored. Let's face it, most people who comment on stories or blogs, anywhere, are subnormal. But it could also be someone trying to discredit an argument with obviously false/ridiculous info. The commenter even posted a direct link to the video, making it as easy as possible to see what they posted was false.

Either way, comments shouldn't be allowed to take away from the legitimacy of a story.

You don't quite get it.

I think it is entirely possible and probable that a Chinese flag went up in front of the plant during the workers stay.

I do NOT think it is possible, probable or likely that a Chinese flag was flying higher than an American flag in front of a building on U.S. soil other than an Embassy (which technically are not on U.S. soil). That is what the picture shows.

If there was a Chinese flag in front of the Illinois plant I would like to see a picture of it. If the American flag is not there flying higher than the Chinese flag then I have a problem with it.

If the US flag is flying where it should be then I see nothing wrong with the company recognizing that it is both U.S. and Chinese.

I still have a problem with the outsourcing. The flag discussion creates a diversion from where the discussion should be which is the outsourcing of American manufacturing jobs and Mitt Romney's contribution to it.

Actually it's just a commonly believed myth that Embassies are the 'soil' of the country they represent.

http://p.twimg.com/A5DE7L2CcAIYBuk.jpg



Obviously paid actors..

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_ht...-mao-shirt.jpg

Wouldn't you agree, that one week is sufficient time to snap a single picture of something which people find so offensive? Or is it more plausible to believe that the workers were in such horror and shock at the sight, that none of them bothered to chronicle this heinous crime?

ADG

Nope, it's international laws and treaties.

Or as you call it: "myth" :1orglaugh

The only problem with blaming Obama for the terrorist attack in Libya is that you then also have to blame Bush for 9/11.

The Obama administration had warnings that the embassy in Libya was in danger. The Bush administration had warnings that Al Qaeda was looking to strike the U.S. using airplanes as missiles.

So either both are wrong or both are right. To believe it either way is fine, but you have to accept both or deny both.

Some people just can't keep their threads straight.:upsidedow

So what are you going to do, invade Libya? It seems Romney and co are already planning 4 wars

IMO Libya isn't a big deal compared to everything else and is just a weak attempt to distract from the fact that Romney is way behind in most of the states that matter

I like my job, I'd rather keep the guy that hasn't said he was going to outlaw it.

ok but only if they start from London

Robbie of course they could send in marines to their embassy but they were trying to keep actions hidden on the ground. Americans have shown they can send Marines anywhere with or without a countries consent.

I just don't agree it was a fuck up, i think it was a deliberate plan by the CIA not to draw attention to their base and operations. And I think that both parties are all in on this plan.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-bl...f-intervention

This to me this is the best article regarding this situation. It doesn't cast blame on the event but the whole situation. Its important for Americans to realize what is happening in Libya. This wasn't a terrorist attack, it was an act of war, because there is a fucking war going on in Libya.

Both parties will continue this war and others like it around the world. If I could vote in the states I wouldn't be asking what happened but why. Why this happened is the never ending thirst for war, not because of lack of security

Nope, it's a myth. You could have proved yourself wrong with a two second Google if you'd wanted to learn something today.

how to turn off this

You can always tell when Romney is ahead of Obama, the GFY left start posting the "Bain capital stole Christmas" threads! :1orglaugh

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...t_o_113480.jpg

Believe it or not, not everyone wanders around 24/7 snapping pictures of everything they see for Twitter and Facebook. When you read about a crime or an accident, do you refuse to believe it happened, because there's no photographic evidence, 'merely' eye-witness accounts all saying it happened? Do you wonder why those eye-witnesses didn't take a photograph?

without battery

let the phone download

I like the way www.xyztraffic.com emblazons their address on their flashing banners, so I don't have to click the sig of spamming cunts to find their site.

Cool story bro

Dude..!

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/334689

Off topic .... this is about outsourcing jobs, you know ... the jobs that the GOP is creating since controling congress ...

listen at 1:33 what that guy says: " what was the more humiliating was that one week before ... "

Any other point on that ??

Does anyone think Obama will throw Hillary under the bus to take heat off of himself over the Libya mess?

sure.....

LOl ... today ;

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2...aign-stop?lite

Who the fuck cares about Libya or any of the rest of it?

Clinton was right twenty some years ago when he said: It's the economy stupid.

It still is.

The bad economy and the lack of good jobs are what the voters care about.

Nothing else matters.

Nothing.
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I will probably get link hotten for this but...

http://i.imgur.com/yMxYe.png

Not sure what you mean, sorry.

bullshit

Whether this story is true or not I doubt it will really matter. The story of Romney and his scumbagery are well documented. Every news channel (save maybe Fox) has talked about his lies, there are tons of articles about Bain gutting companies and selling them off and still he is in this race and is in a position to win.

I don't think one more story is going to change that unless Obama calls him out on it in the debate, but if he does that he runs the risk of getting called on his own shit because. . . well. . . he hasn't exactly done a bang up job himself.

Romney leads Obama in all 10 latest polls :winkwink:

http://www.examiner.com/article/new-...0-latest-polls

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http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Nig...653_608055.jpg

Show me a source that isn't owned by a billionaire Republican playboy..

Yea that's what I thought. :upsidedow

only ONE poll counts : the election ....

Good luck with your candidate ... I finally think it would be a good thing ,for the rest of the world, that he wins .

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Poor bitch... :1orglaugh

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I love how people in other countries think their opinion matters. For the record, I vote for the person foreigners hate.