What i am fighting is the misinformation on BOTH sides...I will never ever knowingly deceive my readers, while I believe the law should be defeated I will not spread lies, half truths and flat out bullshit to facilitate that happening., and the bottom line is it isnt going to matter if it passes or not, pass or fail this fight is a long way from over

Im gonna say this one more time

Pass or fail this industry better start going condom optional with no reprisals for choosing either way, we better do a better job of testing and performers had better start taking exposing their co-workers very seriously. because when it all shakes out thats what its gonna come down to. Porn is the LEAST regulated industry in Cali, that IS going to change...deal with it....Its how we deal with it that will determine if we can regulate ourselves or if we will need the government to do it for us.

You can take THAT to the fucking bank.

Mike, I believe that you have been respectful of me, even said positive things about me to industry members regarding the piracy issues.

BUT

I am seriously asking you to consider the fact that just because you CAN say something does not mean you HAVE to.

Unless you are seriously opposed to Measure B, you have made your point and I hope you will stand on that.

Just so everyone's aware, this law only takes effect in the unincorporated areas of Los Angeles County - 10 days after it is certified by the Board of Supervisors...

And it will never take effect in Long Beach, Pasadena and Vernon - they do not contract with the Los Angeles County Department of Health for services. All three cities have their own health departments.

And finally for this law to take effect anywhere else - each and every single city in Los Angeles County (there are 85 of them in total) has to vote on and adopt this law into their own municipal code.

There is nothing automatic here... Not much is going to change on November 7th.

If it passes it can still be fought town to town.

http://adultbizlaw.com/what-youre-no...s-in-porn-law/

If it passed it will only take effect in the areas in white below. - The white areas are mostly desert, mountains and two state parks...

http://adultbizlaw.com/wp-content/up...1-901x1024.gif

Great Map!

Yah! Let's fight it town to town - that makes total sense to me instead of standing our ground as an industry and not letting others push us around.

Michael, are you sure or just "best guessing'?

If i recall correctly, I was told that every township will have to vote on ratification; but, if they don't ratify the Measure for LA County to enforce, they will still be required to enforce the measure and pay for enforcement locally.

You know the local communities will ratify so they don't incur the expenses locally.

Accordingly, if Measure B passes, it will be rubber stamped all over LA County.

I wouldn't give somebody false hope that the measure will not be enforced if passed.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Oh man . . . look, I [already] voted no, but purely for the financial reasons; but the arguments thrown to the public are total bullshit. Try sticking to the fact that this Proposition effects a couple hundred people; and that makes it a waste of money. The ridiculous assertions are just that, ridiculous.

I could not disagree with you anymore. And I'm actually disturbed at the idea that YOU minimalize this to a few hundred people....

Yeah, 85 fights instead of one.....makes sense to me.:upsidedow

Im respectful of people who have earned my respect even if we disagree.

My bottom line is I dont support any law that doesnt provide for performers choice, the problem here is either way it goes down the performers lose a choice.

But the real problem is the long term, Im with michael not much is gonna change Nov 7th regardless or even Dec 7th but a year from now, unless we as an industry can make some real improvements that we can use as evidence we are dead....giving money to fabian/manwin/fsc/aphss/james lee or the salvation fucking army isnt going to help

So, how many people you think are going to be affected and how did you arrive at that conclusion?

I believe everyone in this industry will be affected and I arrived at that conclusion by reading and comprehending all the elements of the bill.

Wow; okay then. Would love to see what you read that caused that conclusion, but I understand; things are different over there. Perhaps you can be a little more specific.

If we don't soundly defeat this measure, it will be back again. If it passes, AHF will follow producers and studios across the USA introducing the legislation wherever production is happening. Just my opinion.

Please be specific about what you mean regarding 'things are different over there'

I didnt say dont fight. I just made a point that the fight doesnt end on Nov 6th. Its great that everyone is gearing up and ready to join the battle...

This is step one... Step two is city to city and step three will be litigation.

Let's see who's in it for the long haul...

I would give but I don't want my name or company name on ANY list. Therefore, I respectfully decline.

Read John Krattli Los Angeles County Counsel's own recommendations...

These have been out for quite some time...

http://adultbizlaw.com/wp-content/up...mendations.pdf

I dont not read into it that a town that doesnt adopt the law still has to enforce it. It is quite clear that the Los Angeles County Department of Health has to enforce this law, not individual towns. And if an individual town doesnt adopt it then it simply is not law in that town.

Under your theory, if the drinking age in Nevada was 18, then Nevada should be forced by California to arrest all California residents under the age of 21 drinking in Nevada since they are breaking the law in California...

Each town is their own sovereign entity in regards to this law...

However please read my download and point out where my analysis is incorrect....

You can give anonymously....don't let the list stop you.

I'll donate some goggles.

Pornlaw, interesting. I understand that the city to city thing needs to happen, but I doubt it will take very long. If AHF gets this law passed, they will work on the cities to speed up the process and move on to Vegas, Miami and San Fran. At least in Miami they will win as easily.
I would like your opinion on the goggle/dams etc issue. Yes, the law specifically requires using condoms to get the permit, but it does say to follow the other rules or you lose it again. So to me, this us all obviously applicable.

I just read the goggle/dam and so on part differently: to me, it says that goggles, dams and so on are needed if it is known that contaminated fluids are present. Ie, if you shoot with someone that is positive for an std. This is like in hospitals, it's not like everyone walking into any patients room is required to wear hazmat gear. It is only required if there actually is any hazardous material present... No?

Regarding the typical Manwin/Fabian hate, I find it sad that many in this industry can not even think of the greater good. Get of your high horse and help the industry you claim to be a part of. Do not listen to lies from people like mike south that Manwin runs the campaign, Manwin collects the money or any other crap like this. The bank account the money goes to is owned by the organization that runs the campaign, and other than our 150k donations there is no link to us.

And obviously, anyone donating or wanting to donate can request information about what the money is spent on!

Oh come on Mike, isnt that what your blog is mostly about? Dont get me wrong I think its great some people dedicate their time to fighting the bad guys but come on I dont think you are shy of posting about some nice rumors when you get them ;)

Must you always have a valid point? :winkwink:

As far as the cities to adopting the law quickly, I think the city of Los Angeles will adopt it almost immediately. They dont want to enforce the condom law they passed last January. They dont know how to enforce it and I believe they will adopt this version which will supersede the prior law.

As for the other 84 cities/towns adopting it quickly, I wouldnt bet on that. Government moves slowly.

Too bad you chose Burbank instead of Pasadena for Manwin USA's corporate headquarters... you could have avoided the requirement to have a Department of Health permit altogether.

As for the dental dams/googles issue, all barrier protection is required under 5193 and even under the proposed regs 5193.1 (they did get rid of lab coats though).

If you think thats all my blog is about you havent been reading it very long.

Thx... Regarding our LA office: our LA companies do not produce hardcore content.

Over there ---> North Carolina

Based on your answer Manwin doesnt have to be concerned with condoms or dental dams - why then is Manwin the largest donator to "No on Government Waste ?"

Omfg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This dude must not sell a lot of porn.

Nobody wants to see condoms in porn. No fucking way, ever, for even one second. I, personally, have never once jerked off to the thought of fucking a girl with a condom, and this is over thousands and thousands of lifetime jerks to every other conceivable sexual scenario on the planet. Maybe to a condom BREAKING in a chick and giving her the grievous unwanted creampie, but that?s it. You can have a condom in a porn if it breaks and she cries. Otherwise, if I see even one INSTANT of condom I am ?changing the channel? like my own grandmother popped up taking it in the ass from Lexington Steele. You can have goggles in porn if it's a chick weairng them in a bukkake scene with no less than twenty Skid Row hobos spraying hot, salty loads all over her face. No one likes condoms. I?d rather personally die of AIDS a thousand times over than have to jerk off to condom porn even once.

Plus, look ? the fact that the porn industry has existed for decades and like four people in it have died of AIDS is the most massively successful health care initiative in human history. More porn stars have died from Kitana sword attacks than from AIDS. More porn stars have probably died from fucking Grizzly Bear attacks than AIDS. From asteroids.

So, the hell with this ridiculous shit. Like they say, it?ll just push the industry out of LA; they?ll go somewhere else and continue having unprotected sex and not getting AIDS, ever. And there will be 500 abandoned warehouses in Burbank now that will get taken over by Mad Max type gangs that will rape you and your family and give you AIDS. That?s what?s gonna happen.

You can take THAT to the fucking bank.

http://www.asiandivagirls.com/temp/G...2/adg-9190.jpg

Vimeo video I made in opposition to Prop 35 and Measure B:

San Francisco Sex Workers Outreach Project: No on Prop 35 (California), No on Measure B (LA)

:)

ADG

Because I care for the industry and because we have many partners that are affected. Hard to get, I know...

BWAHAHA..... Fabian forgot he owns Digital Playground apparently and they RE in L.A. County...but maybe he is gonna make DP releases all soft core....


Dude if yer gonna lie at least TRY to have some fucking credibility

DP is a brand and is owned and operated outside of the US. Production is done all over the world and the production companies we own ourself related to hardcore are not in LA.
The only production corp we own in LA is playboy related and it does not shoot hardcore.

Try again Mike...

LOL you shovel that bullshit Fabian...It aint me you are gonna have to sell it to.

PLEASE everyone focus on the issue here.

In 8 days the PUBLIC voters of LA will get to decide FOR us how our industry will produce content.

It will be OUT OF OUR HANDS.

Please stop trying to make points and win arguments and FOCUS on the issue.

I think we both know that ship has already sailed. The time to have taken action was years ago.

It was never in your hands

Holy shit, does that dude with the pink hair have micropenis?! He does. I can't imagine the level of security you have to have with your body to be able to walk around nude in public with micropenis. That is the only thing anybody who came in contact with him that day, or saw these pictures will ever remember about him. Pink hair guy has micropenis. There are a lot of other things about him worthy of note, but for now, let me just state this again: pink hair guy has micropenis. The person with micropenis is to a man, like, if you lived in Philadelphia in 1992 at the height of the Uncle Eddie scandal, and there was a kid who actually sold Uncle Eddie a pair of his shitty underwear, or let him suck them off - or if you knew this kid, or knew someone who knew this kid, he became a whispered legend who touched off some deep horror that made your hair stand up on end. To hear about an actual person with micropenis is one thing, to actually go out and publically advertise it in the city streets is quite another. Every woman that guy knows, when describing him now will actually crook her thumb to give you a visual aid about the size of this man’s penis, bending it at a 90 degree angle to make very clear that it was not the length and girth of her entire thumb in its fully erect state, just the second digit. Pink hair guy has micropenis. He is a complex character in many ways but in my mind no nuance of his being will be attributed to anything but micropenis.

Invalid argument...doing nothing before does not mean that doing nothing NOW is ok.

Are we having fun yet?

Glad you voted no on Measure B. Will you be donating to the campaign or just spewing random nonsense in this thread?

Thats very admirable... I know you stated publicly to your followers on Twitter that Manwin is a condom optional company.

It would be a strong message to send to the public in the battle against Ballot Measure B that Manwin is condom optional --

Will you record a short video clip saying so and send it to Theo so he can post on it

www.PerformersForChoice.com

and/or deliver a statement to the press saying that the largest porn company doesnt need to be forced to used condoms since they are indeed optional ?

AHF and Weinstein keep repeating the statement to the public that if a performer chooses condoms they will not work in the industry. I think having a man of your stature and power come out and say that you will support a performers right to choose condoms can sway a lot of votes in this election.

I fear a little that Weinstein will misuse that statement, he loves twisting.. But I will think about it.

No, I won't and you are the one spewing nonsense :2 cents:

Got news for ya...It was in our hands for more than ten years. we saw this coming. Cal-OSHA regs and all and guess what....all we did was get worse and worse...now it is no longer in our hands even on the unlikely chance it fails its gonna win in appeal....courts rely on fact and heres a little fact for ya...You may not like it but its backed up by the health Dept and who do you think a judge is going to believe the health Dept or Diane Dukes magic 8 ball?

"Measure B is the result of a long history of inadequate workplace protection within this industry. This is a legal industry and we feel with legality comes responsibility; ultimately this boils down to a question of corporate citizenship. The hazardous exposures performs face on the job are well document and reported by labs and clinics to the county department of public health (as required by state law). Therefore, we have a very good understanding of the overall disease burden performers carry and how this compares to the population at-large.

When compared to the general community the cumulative incidence for gonorrhea and chlamydia is as high as 64 and 34 times respectively. When compared to sexually active adults between 18 and 24 (a group that traditionally shows high disease burden), the gonorrhea and chlamydia rates for performers are 8.5 and 16 times higher.

Note these rates demonstrate orders of magnitude that are unacceptable from a public health perspective."

I know I am not alone, Asian Diva Girls has always been condom optional (if any performer in a scene requests that a condom be used, we defer to the performer's request):

http://www.asiandivagirls.com/temp/G.../test-1825.jpg

http://www.asiandivagirls.com/temp/G.../test-5815.jpg

Say NO to Measure B on Nov 6th!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lsRS2gmYRO.../measure+b.jpg

:angrysoap

ADG

THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO IS SHOWING SUPPORT!

Please continue to help however you can!!

Updated List of Donations:

Manwin $180,000
Free Speech Coalition $40,000
Vivid $35,000
Evil Angel $30,000
MetArt $25,000
Adam and Eve $10,000
Hustler $10,000
Doc Johnson $10,000
Pipedreams $10,000
Kink.com $10,000
Devil Films/Media Products $10,000
Wicked Pictures $10,000
Pleasure Productions/IVD $10,000
Cal Exotics $10,000
Scura $10,000
Devils Films $10,000
IM LIVE $10,000
AEBN/NakedSword $5,000
Video Secrets $5,000
New Sensations $5,000
Zero Tolerance $5,000
Girlfriends $5,000
Romantix $5,000
Pink Visual $5,000
Jet Set $5,000
Great Western $5,000
Karen Tynan $5,000
Metro $5,000
Magna Publishing $2,500
DVD Empire $2,000
Gamelink $2,000
Hotmovies $2,000
West Coast Productions $2,000
HardDrive Productions/Paul Pilcher $2,000.00
Web donations $1,259
RS Adams/Random Screw $1,000
Jekyl & Hyde $1,000
ALS $1,000
All Media Play $1,000
Magna Publishing $1,000
Resource Media $1,000
Meta Interfaces $1,000
Pulse Distribution $1,000
101 Modeling $1,000
Randy Blue $1,000
Good Vibrations $1,000
Evil Directors $1,000
Plausable Films/Paul Fishbein $1,000
FH Studios $1,000
Paul Thomas $1,000
Benjamin Pollack $1,000
Liquor Corp $500
Vision Mind/Phil Varone $500
Mark Speigler $500
Spieglergirls $500
SPF Transfer $300
Jon Rogers $200
Mark Kernes $200
Kylie Ireland $100
Severe Society Films $100
Sin Sage Inc $100

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I agree, and from a business perspective it would made a lot more sense for the industry to be proactive on this. Knowing that there are occupational risks and ignoring them is a pretty shitty way to run a business. The fact that someone can show up to a shoot with fake tests and continue working is pretty amazing.

-st

If the people in L.A, used the common sense that you, I and ADG and others do they wouldn't be in this mess.

Saying NO to Measure B and also making the choice to shoot condom porn (ala Ernest Green) is not in any way contradictory. Personally, I have no issue with performers choosing to use condoms, nor with those that don't, as long as testing is ALSO in place. I also don't necessarily think condoms in porn would completely kill the industry.

What I do have an issue with, and why I support NO on Measure B, is that AHF is using their donations to wage a publicity stunt that gets everyone in an uproar over condoms in porn, when they could use that money for - oh, I don't know - AIDS Research, funding more clinics in less financial secure neighborhoods, increasing campaigns to teach those just coming into adult-hood why AIDS testing is crucial . . . 1,000 other things they could spend their time and money doing, instead of choosing this stupid battleground.

IF FSC was the only voice against Measure B, the Measure would likely pass. Lord knows they refuse to use the legitimate and provable arguments Fattorosi, me and others have been giving them gratis for months now. Instead they pull out half baked theories and stoopid arguments that don't hold any water.

So what ever happened with the situation that the money that Manwin donated to Stop Government Waste would fall under illegal political donations, because Manwin's actual corporation is based outside the US and that money was not to be used by SGW for supporting No on Measure B? And why didn't FSC and SGW know enough about US politics to know that might be an issue when they accepted the donation? Sure makes me think twice about just how effective FSC and the rest truly are in politics that affect the adult industry . . . .

Dont get me wrong I agree with you about optional condoms, but a judge isnt going to believe either of them. Trying to prove that a performer contracted an STI except for HIV and Hep C and possibly syphilis on set will also be impossible.

It would be akin to proving that you caught a flu from your cubicle mate in an office environment.

The California legislature tried to pass a bill last year (AB 375) in favor of hospital workers placing the burden of proof on the employer to show that because of exposure to a blood borne pathogen an infection DIDNT happen. Burden of proof is usually on the injured worker...

The bill was defeated in the Senate... 20-16

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/po...b_375&sess=CUR

I dont think there will be a presumption made in favor of pornstars if hospital workers couldnt get one....

If someone at the FSC knew a little something about research legal or otherwise there could be much better arguments being made against Ballot Measure B as B&B points out...