Yet the industry cheers on and partners with the organization who has done exactly that and will continue to do it until they own almost everything of value and destroy what they can't own or see as competition.

That's porn logic for ya.

Well said.

They will want the proof & the pudding.

Are a lawyer?

I do not post here much, but I am dropping in today to leave my support in favor not passing Measure B.

The government has more important issues to deal with.

Good day.

Hypothetically then....as a person who has been on the production and direction side of content, I can say that I would absolutely trust having unprotected sex with performers....I always ensured the STD tests were accurate and up-to-date and never subjected performers to any situation that was questionable. As a performer, I would insist on seeing all tests and never perform if there was a questionable situation. Which is a great example of why STDs among adult performers is a non topic here.

You see there ya go repeating what clearly isnt true....yes repeat offenders can be held to stricter controls but the law only calls for condoms for vaginal and anal intercourse

The proposed amendment would require producers of adult films to obtain a public health permit from the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health (the "Department") in order to engage in the production of adult films for commercial purposes, and to pay a permit fee set by the Department to offset the cost of enforcement. The measure would require the use of condoms for all acts of anal or vaginal sex during the production of adult films, as well as the posting of both the public health permit and a notice to performers regarding condom use. Producers are required to provide a written exposure control plan describing how the ordinance will be implemented. A "producer" means any person or entity that produces, finances or directs adult films for commercial purposes.

Violation of the ordinance would be subject to both civil fines and criminal misdemeanor charges. The Department would be authorized to enforce the provisions of the ordinance, including suspending or revoking the public health permit due to violations of the ordinance, or any other law including applicable provisions of the Health and Safety Code, blood borne pathogen standard, California Code of Regulations, or the exposure plan of the producer. Suspension or revocation of the public health permit requires notice and an opportunity for an administrative review, unless the Department found or reasonably suspected immediate danger to the public health and safety, in which case the Department could immediately suspend or revoke the public health permit, initiate a criminal complaint, or issue a fine, pending an administrative hearing. "

So long as you you dont violate the law you ahve nothing to worry about....now while I admit its a bad law nitpicking here isnt going to solve the problem that it IS going to pass most likely and if you want to have a prayer of being condom optional youd better start doing better than what you are.

We can discuss it here till we are all outta breath but I bet there arent a dozen people here who are voting on it one way or the other, according to the polls you have to change 1.55 Million votes

You aint gonna do it preaching to the choir.

Use common sense NOBODY including you really believes that dental damns, goggles and lab coats would be forced on the industry only an idiot prosecutor would try that because it would fail causing unintended consequences.

What you had better prepare for is mandatory condom use because THAT is a real potential outcome, the BEST you can hope for is condom optional, but if you want that you damn well better start acting like it.

There are two issues here that should offend every member of the adult biz.

1 . If this measure passes it will do financial damage to our industry. It has the potential to snowball in any number of ways. None of which are good for anybody here. This will effect YOU.

2 . This is another example of government interference and a further erosion of personal liberties, a tightening of government control. Anybody who works in adult already rides the very outer edges of what is "allowed". This is not good for any of us.

I see people picking away at the details, trying to pull it apart - break it down. This movement needs our support, Donate if you can (I have), Vote if you can, Spread the word if you can.

We are all on the same side of this issue.

Ernest Greene disagrees with you:

"For the record, condoms are used in every picture I shoot and they remain extremely commercial. I completely reject the contention that condom use would make porn unprofitable. That is a red herring. I said at the very meeting where you accuse me of flacking for irresponsible producers that I consider condom use nothing more than a creative challenge for picture makers that can be easily integrated into successful productions with a bit of imagination. I?ve shot, and sold successfully, more condom footage than any director in the history of this medium, starting with Nina?s first Guide shoot in 1992.

I?m all for condoms and always have been. They?re a minor challenge to a good cameraman and a good editor."

Fair enough. What about working with males who are switch hitters, working in both the gay and hetro scenes? Would you still trust industry testing with them, or use a condom to be safe?

Personally, I'd use a condom with those guys no matter what. They shouldn't even be allowed to cross over. There is playing with fire, and then there is PLAYING WITH FIRE.

Mike

I am at a loss. Are you in support of measure B? All I have seen is post after post that try to undermine all efforts to prevent it from passing. We could argue all day about how it will be enforced, about how shooting "around" condoms is a money maker or how this measure will never grow in scope or territory.

But in general terms i can not see how this measure is good for anybody who makes their living in this industry. Why do we not have 100% support here. Mike why are you fighting our rejection of this law?

What i am fighting is the misinformation on BOTH sides...I will never ever knowingly deceive my readers, while I believe the law should be defeated I will not spread lies, half truths and flat out bullshit to facilitate that happening., and the bottom line is it isnt going to matter if it passes or not, pass or fail this fight is a long way from over

Im gonna say this one more time

Pass or fail this industry better start going condom optional with no reprisals for choosing either way, we better do a better job of testing and performers had better start taking exposing their co-workers very seriously. because when it all shakes out thats what its gonna come down to. Porn is the LEAST regulated industry in Cali, that IS going to change...deal with it....Its how we deal with it that will determine if we can regulate ourselves or if we will need the government to do it for us.

You can take THAT to the fucking bank.

Mike, I believe that you have been respectful of me, even said positive things about me to industry members regarding the piracy issues.

BUT

I am seriously asking you to consider the fact that just because you CAN say something does not mean you HAVE to.

Unless you are seriously opposed to Measure B, you have made your point and I hope you will stand on that.

Just so everyone's aware, this law only takes effect in the unincorporated areas of Los Angeles County - 10 days after it is certified by the Board of Supervisors...

And it will never take effect in Long Beach, Pasadena and Vernon - they do not contract with the Los Angeles County Department of Health for services. All three cities have their own health departments.

And finally for this law to take effect anywhere else - each and every single city in Los Angeles County (there are 85 of them in total) has to vote on and adopt this law into their own municipal code.

There is nothing automatic here... Not much is going to change on November 7th.

If it passes it can still be fought town to town.

http://adultbizlaw.com/what-youre-no...s-in-porn-law/

If it passed it will only take effect in the areas in white below. - The white areas are mostly desert, mountains and two state parks...

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Great Map!

Yah! Let's fight it town to town - that makes total sense to me instead of standing our ground as an industry and not letting others push us around.

Michael, are you sure or just "best guessing'?

If i recall correctly, I was told that every township will have to vote on ratification; but, if they don't ratify the Measure for LA County to enforce, they will still be required to enforce the measure and pay for enforcement locally.

You know the local communities will ratify so they don't incur the expenses locally.

Accordingly, if Measure B passes, it will be rubber stamped all over LA County.

I wouldn't give somebody false hope that the measure will not be enforced if passed.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Oh man . . . look, I [already] voted no, but purely for the financial reasons; but the arguments thrown to the public are total bullshit. Try sticking to the fact that this Proposition effects a couple hundred people; and that makes it a waste of money. The ridiculous assertions are just that, ridiculous.

I could not disagree with you anymore. And I'm actually disturbed at the idea that YOU minimalize this to a few hundred people....

Yeah, 85 fights instead of one.....makes sense to me.:upsidedow

Im respectful of people who have earned my respect even if we disagree.

My bottom line is I dont support any law that doesnt provide for performers choice, the problem here is either way it goes down the performers lose a choice.

But the real problem is the long term, Im with michael not much is gonna change Nov 7th regardless or even Dec 7th but a year from now, unless we as an industry can make some real improvements that we can use as evidence we are dead....giving money to fabian/manwin/fsc/aphss/james lee or the salvation fucking army isnt going to help

So, how many people you think are going to be affected and how did you arrive at that conclusion?

I believe everyone in this industry will be affected and I arrived at that conclusion by reading and comprehending all the elements of the bill.

Wow; okay then. Would love to see what you read that caused that conclusion, but I understand; things are different over there. Perhaps you can be a little more specific.

If we don't soundly defeat this measure, it will be back again. If it passes, AHF will follow producers and studios across the USA introducing the legislation wherever production is happening. Just my opinion.

Please be specific about what you mean regarding 'things are different over there'

I didnt say dont fight. I just made a point that the fight doesnt end on Nov 6th. Its great that everyone is gearing up and ready to join the battle...

This is step one... Step two is city to city and step three will be litigation.

Let's see who's in it for the long haul...

I would give but I don't want my name or company name on ANY list. Therefore, I respectfully decline.

Read John Krattli Los Angeles County Counsel's own recommendations...

These have been out for quite some time...

http://adultbizlaw.com/wp-content/up...mendations.pdf

I dont not read into it that a town that doesnt adopt the law still has to enforce it. It is quite clear that the Los Angeles County Department of Health has to enforce this law, not individual towns. And if an individual town doesnt adopt it then it simply is not law in that town.

Under your theory, if the drinking age in Nevada was 18, then Nevada should be forced by California to arrest all California residents under the age of 21 drinking in Nevada since they are breaking the law in California...

Each town is their own sovereign entity in regards to this law...

However please read my download and point out where my analysis is incorrect....

You can give anonymously....don't let the list stop you.

I'll donate some goggles.

Pornlaw, interesting. I understand that the city to city thing needs to happen, but I doubt it will take very long. If AHF gets this law passed, they will work on the cities to speed up the process and move on to Vegas, Miami and San Fran. At least in Miami they will win as easily.
I would like your opinion on the goggle/dams etc issue. Yes, the law specifically requires using condoms to get the permit, but it does say to follow the other rules or you lose it again. So to me, this us all obviously applicable.

I just read the goggle/dam and so on part differently: to me, it says that goggles, dams and so on are needed if it is known that contaminated fluids are present. Ie, if you shoot with someone that is positive for an std. This is like in hospitals, it's not like everyone walking into any patients room is required to wear hazmat gear. It is only required if there actually is any hazardous material present... No?

Regarding the typical Manwin/Fabian hate, I find it sad that many in this industry can not even think of the greater good. Get of your high horse and help the industry you claim to be a part of. Do not listen to lies from people like mike south that Manwin runs the campaign, Manwin collects the money or any other crap like this. The bank account the money goes to is owned by the organization that runs the campaign, and other than our 150k donations there is no link to us.

And obviously, anyone donating or wanting to donate can request information about what the money is spent on!

Oh come on Mike, isnt that what your blog is mostly about? Dont get me wrong I think its great some people dedicate their time to fighting the bad guys but come on I dont think you are shy of posting about some nice rumors when you get them ;)

Must you always have a valid point? :winkwink:

As far as the cities to adopting the law quickly, I think the city of Los Angeles will adopt it almost immediately. They dont want to enforce the condom law they passed last January. They dont know how to enforce it and I believe they will adopt this version which will supersede the prior law.

As for the other 84 cities/towns adopting it quickly, I wouldnt bet on that. Government moves slowly.

Too bad you chose Burbank instead of Pasadena for Manwin USA's corporate headquarters... you could have avoided the requirement to have a Department of Health permit altogether.

As for the dental dams/googles issue, all barrier protection is required under 5193 and even under the proposed regs 5193.1 (they did get rid of lab coats though).

If you think thats all my blog is about you havent been reading it very long.

Thx... Regarding our LA office: our LA companies do not produce hardcore content.

Over there ---> North Carolina

Based on your answer Manwin doesnt have to be concerned with condoms or dental dams - why then is Manwin the largest donator to "No on Government Waste ?"

Omfg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This dude must not sell a lot of porn.

Nobody wants to see condoms in porn. No fucking way, ever, for even one second. I, personally, have never once jerked off to the thought of fucking a girl with a condom, and this is over thousands and thousands of lifetime jerks to every other conceivable sexual scenario on the planet. Maybe to a condom BREAKING in a chick and giving her the grievous unwanted creampie, but that?s it. You can have a condom in a porn if it breaks and she cries. Otherwise, if I see even one INSTANT of condom I am ?changing the channel? like my own grandmother popped up taking it in the ass from Lexington Steele. You can have goggles in porn if it's a chick weairng them in a bukkake scene with no less than twenty Skid Row hobos spraying hot, salty loads all over her face. No one likes condoms. I?d rather personally die of AIDS a thousand times over than have to jerk off to condom porn even once.

Plus, look ? the fact that the porn industry has existed for decades and like four people in it have died of AIDS is the most massively successful health care initiative in human history. More porn stars have died from Kitana sword attacks than from AIDS. More porn stars have probably died from fucking Grizzly Bear attacks than AIDS. From asteroids.

So, the hell with this ridiculous shit. Like they say, it?ll just push the industry out of LA; they?ll go somewhere else and continue having unprotected sex and not getting AIDS, ever. And there will be 500 abandoned warehouses in Burbank now that will get taken over by Mad Max type gangs that will rape you and your family and give you AIDS. That?s what?s gonna happen.

You can take THAT to the fucking bank.

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Vimeo video I made in opposition to Prop 35 and Measure B:

San Francisco Sex Workers Outreach Project: No on Prop 35 (California), No on Measure B (LA)

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