Alrighty then.

Or, it was just a fluke?

Or, it was related to Global Warming?

Occam's razor.

"Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real"

Conspiracy nut, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen in 1997

http://www.defense.gov/Transcripts/T...anscriptID=674

HAARP, with its power of intimidation, of delivery or denial of electrical energy on a global scale and its control of communications, is an element of a system which could control the global village in some frightening ways.

According to Dr Nick BEGICH, the HAARP programme would allow such concentrations of energy to be attained that an entire region of the planet could be deprived of water. Electromagnetic waves can cause earthquakes or tidal waves.

Conspiracy nuts, the European Parliament, in 1998

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/press/...98/b980209.htm

Two earthquakes and a drought this year in Iran. Move along now, nothing to see here. :winkwink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...quakes_in_Iran

Quote:

Iran is one of the most seismically active countries in the world, being crossed by several major fault lines[1] that cover at least 90% of the country.[2] As a result, earthquakes in Iran occur often and are destructive. The Iranian plateau is subject to most types of tectonic activity, including active folding, faulting and volcanic eruptions. It is well known for its long history of disastrous earthquake activity. Not only have these earthquakes killed thousands, but they have also led to waste of valuable natural resources.[3] Since 1900, at least 126,000 fatalities have resulted from earthquakes in Iran.[3]

And so what if Iran had a drought. So did North America:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_No...erican_drought

Where I live one can see the effects of HAARP in the sky every week, most GFYers will also be able to see it where they live.

That's a very nice picture of altocumulus undulatus clouds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altocum...ndulatus_cloud

Besides that, HAARP supposedly only acts on the ionosphere and clouds do not form in the ionosphere.

Yep, that's the name. What you'll notice is that the geo-engineering team first spray a metallic substance, which is then influenced via HAARP. Here you'll see where the sprayed substance is just becoming waves. I'd recommend watching it outdoors with your own eyes, that's the best way to see what's going on.


The image below shows what it looks like from above, HAARP is in the middle

So are you suggesting that that type of cloud formation didn't exist before HAARP came online? Because here is a picture of it from 1933:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Al...atus_cloud.jpg

I think you need to go here to explain your theories: http://metabunk.org/forum.php

That should keep you busy for a while.

The sad thing is that you probably believe that. :helpme

He has aspergers. He is incapable of reading between the lines. :winkwink:

Session 2C
Hurricane Aerosol and Microphysics Program (HAMP)
Chair: William R. Cotton, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO
10:15 AM 2C.1 The Hurricane Aerosol and Microphysics Program (HAMP): A HAMP Contribution wrf recordingRecorded presentation
Joe Golden, Golden Research & Consulting, Boulder, CO; and W. L. Woodley
10:30 AM 2C.2 Simulation of a landfalling hurricane using spectral bin microphysical model: effects of aerosols on hurricane intensity (the HAMP contribution) extended abstract wrf recordingRecorded presentation
Alexander P. Khain, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Israel; and B. Lynn and J. Dudhia
10:45 AM 2C.3 Effects of aerosols on the Tropical Cyclone genesis as seen from simulations using spectral bin microphysics model (the HAMP contribution) extended abstract wrf recordingRecorded presentation
Barry Lynn, Weather It Is, LTD, Efrat, Israel; and A. P. Khain
11:00 AM 2C.4 Spray microphysics and effects on surface fluxes as seen from simulations using a Lagrangian model with spectral bin microphysics extended abstract wrf recordingRecorded presentation
Jacob Shpund, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Israel
11:15 AM 2C.5 Can aerosols explain hurricane prediction errors?
Michal Clavner, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Israel; and D. Rosenfeld
11:30 AM 2C.6 Mechanisms of lightning formation in deep maritime clouds and hurricanes (The HAMP contribution) extended abstract wrf recordingRecorded presentation
Nir Benmoshe, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Israel; and A. Khain, A. Pokrovsky, and V. Phillips
11:45 AM 2C.7 Feasibility study of the modification of the intensity of tropical cyclones by seeding CCN with an aircraft : A HAMP Project wrf recordingRecorded presentation
Gustavo G. Carrio, Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO; and W. R. Cotton

https://ams.confex.com/ams/29Hurrica...sion_24276.htm







"Thank you for the opportunity to review the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS)
Statement of work for the Hurricane Aerosol and Microphysics Program (HAMP). Research
scientists and managers from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA)
Office of Oceanic and Atmospheric Research (OAR) met in April to discuss research
collaboration with the Department of Homeland Security @HS) on hurricane modification."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cap...dification.pdf

19 quakes in the last century, yet 11 quakes in the last decade alone, with 4 just in the last 2 years. And that's counting the two this year as one.

Who's claiming HAARP isn't causing environmental problems in the US?

So instead of acknowledging that nature can be random and chaotic you choose to believe that an array of radio antennas is causing natural disasters? So exactly which natural disasters are still natural and which ones are man made? Or are they all man made now?

Who's claiming that HAARP is causing any environmental problems anywhere? As far as I can tell it is only people who follow the same pattern of beliefs as religious zealots - lots of wild claims, with zero hard proof, that must be taken on faith alone.

No, what I do is recognize the possibility that wacky military activities may have consequences or side effects.

Who knows. You certainly don't. So why are you so sure none of them are? Global warming is apparently man made, and that's usually blamed for the more extreme and bizarre weather we are getting these days.

As far as I can tell, there are people open-minded enough to recognize that HAARP may have negative effects on the planet, including the European Parliament over a decade ago, and there are terrified naive children like you, who refuse to even listen to the possibility that the friendly US military might be trying to do more than simply create more rainbows in the sky.

Your recognition of "possibilities" that "may" have consequences offers little in the way of proof of anything. I think the narrative you have created for yourself in your head much more closely resembles a Hollywood movie than it does reality.

I do know. Natural disasters are just that - natural. Man can no more stop them than he can create them. You ascribe way too much power, and evil, to human kind, again, like something out of the movies.

Global warming is not man made and weather is not getting more extreme or bizarre.

It is hard for me to be open minded about HAARP having negative effects on the planet when no credible or reasonable evidence or proof of any negative effects has been provided.

It's quite hilarious that you call me a "terrified naive child" when you are the one who believes that the US military, apparently headed by Dr. Evil, can control a hurricane by spraying it with a bunch of hairspray and aiming a bunch of radio waves at it.

Conspiracy theorists are no different than religious nut-jobs. They both need something, or someone, to blame for the things they see that they cannot explain.

This is it, HAARP only works well as a Covert Weapon, even more so when you're using it to control your own people :2 cents:

Got that, scientists everywhere? You're wrong.

How long was Haarp activated during Hurricane Hazel in 1954?

Oh yeah...it wasn't invented yet. :error

^ Well, they hadn't admitted it yet. :winkwink:

Nope. All of the scientists that say it isn't man made are right. There is not a single scientist anywhere that has proven global warming is man made.

Besides you are not in a very good position to be backing the claims of any scientists when almost your entire world view is based on the wholly unscientific claims of conspiracy theories.

What about The Great Hurricane of 1780 that caused 20,000+ deaths and had estimated winds of 200mph?

Or the Galveston Hurricane of 1900 that killed 8000?

Were those also caused by HAARP? Is HAARP so powerful that it can send it's signals back in time to cause natural disasters?

If they're right, then why do so many scientists say they are not right? And since when has something been false just because it is, as of yet, unproven? I'm afraid you are an idiot, and the sooner you realize that the better.

You have no idea what my "entire world view" is.

Your hapless, flailing attempts at 'debate' are giving me hemorrhoids.

Oh great. Another self righteous, narcissistic internet keyboard warrior who thinks he is smarter and better than everyone else. Engaging people like you is a complete waste of time. </discussion>