My grandfather was making 7 figures every year since the mid 1960's up until 2000 when he had a stroke and was forced to shut down his citrus business.

Trust me Tony...he NEVER paid those high rates.

Sometimes people can't see the forest for the trees..

I'm thinking about buying a bunch of AK47's to resell after the election. The right is getting so fucking easy to predict it's almost 100% certain when Obama wins the election, there will be another "he's gunna take our guns" or "the UN taking over MERICA" gun rush at the gun stores.

Everyone remember how crazy all the morons on the right got, soon as Obama was elected the first time? They swore up and down Obama was gonna take their guns and turn the country over to UN rule, to the point there was record sales at the gun stores.

4 years later they preach the same bull shit. :1orglaugh

No,we didn't pay more. We paid less. Much less. If you are a C corp like most small businesses you would know that. And it's the small businesses that employ the most people. The economy won't improve based on the strength of the automakers. It's the millions of small business that need the help.

100%...right.. It's good to be optimistic. Or is it blind faith?

Im an llc so I dont pay taxes until money goes to the partners. Also in 50's and 60's you had c corps?

Its because they need people to vote against their own best interest.

derp, no matter who gets in the economy will not be 'fixed'...its a whole new game. adapt or die.

I think as far as the economy, you are right. Where are these good paying jobs that they both talk about are going to come from? I think with technology and outsourcing you will never see 5% unemployment.

A good frontline to watch http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...sky-big-money/

Oh it's not blind faith.. plain as day to see..


Gun sales explode as election looms (March 22,2012) Fox News :1orglaugh:1orglaugh


See even Fox News reports that Obama is good for the economy & he creates American jobs.. Gun sales are up & some gun makers can't keep up with the orders = more employees..

Sadly AK's have already spiked too much but there are always SKS's & Mosin Nagants that are still cheap as hell but not cheap as they were 3 years ago.. 8(

Oh it's "fixed" alright :disgust

Politicians lie, say wrong facts and more. Mitt is no exception, so nothing new. If you told us Hussein never lied than we could discuss further. Otherwise its a waste of time.

hummmm...da...hummmm.... OH !!!!!! Kill You ?

You mean like Toyota, Honda, Hunday, Nissan ... all ' foreign ' companies manufacturing cars in the USA to sell to Americans ????

100 lies to tell your lover ....

... why ?

I'm not understanding what you're trying to say.

It's not just goofs or even mistakes (which he never corrects or apologizes for). He seems to spew out 1 flat-out lie after another, and never ever comes clean. What a piece of shit he is.

http://director.denverpost.com/p.php...D&m=1351555246

http://director.denverpost.com/p.php...D&m=1351555248

How about banning pornography and restarting the 2257 inspections?

Changed your quote from " if so good , why " to " if so bad, why " ...
Your questions of why if things are so good it must be said is stange, as it must be said to answer all the statments that things are so bad , not improving, etc ...

But it is no point to do, as people beleive only their " team "...
Can't wait for this election to finish ... I wont have to suffer it while a few monts in Florida .

How was life before the great depression old man?

The obvious answer - It was excellent up to 2008

Im a fan of Bruce Bartlett, I assume you know who he is. He worked for Reagan and Bush the first and I wrote him last night. Because I didnt know if the taxes were high in the 50's but with deductions they paid so much less was truthful or not. So I emailed Mr Bartlett and surprise surprise he responded it was very short but he doesnt know me why should it be longer but he responded.
My email to him

I have a question for you. Im in a political argument. The person is saying in the 50's even though the Tax rates were higher with deductions people actually paid much less than they do now. Is that so?
Thanks
Tony
His response: no

And man its refreshing when you get your info from a guy who helped set policy not a pundit.

When the huge debts Bush had run up fighting pointless wars. The unregulated banks hit the buffers and the train got derailed. Then the EU was also dragged into the mess, by the gambling by their banks and countries.

And it's all the black man's fault because he hasn't fixed it yet. :upsidedow

And it's because he spent too much. :1orglaugh

don't worry Romney will fix it all. He will sell off some of the good bits, close down the bad bits and cream a huge profit off it. Plus send more jobs to China. :thumbsup

He's got a great track record. Plus he will cut taxes.

The truth is obvious, little will change until the electorate wake up and stop following like sheep and voting in the same old faces with the same old policies.

And anyone comparing how it used to be before 1990 is like me telling you how the porn business used to be.

So you're saying the guy who worked for the guy who said "Read my lips, no new taxes!" told you that?

That settles it then.

You are familiar with Tax Freedom Day.

Here is a list of when those days occurred for the past 112 years,

Send this link to Mr. Bartlett and ask him why he didn't know this?
http://taxfoundation.org/article/tax...rden-1900-2012

1950 - 3/24
2012 - 4/17

Has he gotten back to you yet Tony? I am curious what he thinks about the fact that the average citizens tax burden takes a full 3 weeks more today than it did in 1950

I think Romney despite all his flaws and lies would probably win this election if he was for cutting defense. He's not however, and we simply don't need it. I think that alone loses a lot of undecideds.

The fact that it's even close is really testament to the economy still sucking despite what some things might indicate. Stock market is up, but dollar is down. Unemployment is down but lots of people stopped looking for work. Businesses may have more money than ever, but most are hoarding it. Housing market still blows. And simply put, more people than ever are struggling. Republicans have been obstructionist to say the least, so anyone who is blaming Republicans entirely and not Obama at all is basically saying to re-elect Obama so that the same shit will continue for another 4 years because that's better than electing someone else. I'm not so sure that it is. It's sad and pathetic what Republicans have done with stalling progress of the country, but it's seeming very effective in accomplishing what they've wanted to, which is have a significant chance to win this election. Let's face it - after Bush, without them doing all this, the party would have been fucked.

I would listen to the guy that followed the policy long before the guy that set the policy.

One lived. One theorized.

Only one matters.

I would say two things to that...
1. What if what they blocked wasn't "progress" but would have hurt the country instead? Then wouldn't they be doing what they should be doing? Also the Republicans swept the elections in 2010 with a mandate to not allow Obama's policies through. So they were doing what the people elected them to do.

2. It's not just Republicans that are against Obama. As I understand it, Obama has not passed even ONE budget in 4 years. And when those budgets were brought up to Congress...he got ZERO votes for it. That's right, not even ONE Democrat voted in favor of any of Obama's budgets.

When you think about it, it's really pathetic.

^^

This.
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Which is a great reason to NOT vote for Romney or Obama.

I voted today for Gary Johnson. He will abolish all "obscenity laws" And if you make your living on the internet you might want to look at his position on that as well:
http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issue...and-technology


Neither Obama or Romney have any clear direction on porn or the internet. Johnson does. It's called FREEDOM.

I love these arguments for President.

When does anyone factor in that the President; based on the origins the Founders created, is supposed to be balanced by the Congress and the Supreme Court? When did everything become a rubber stamp for one man? Our Congress is shit and they deserve to be booted. Every single last one of them.

The entire government has lost it's way. Simple as that. The people deserve better and yet we continue to elect the idiots and assume they will do what's best for us.

Now, outside of that..... Obama and Romney are the choices. No one else is statistically electable. It's just not possible based on the system we have today. A vote for any other candidate is wasted, plain and simple. I'm voting for Romney because I plainly disagree with just about everything Obama represents.

I envision myself as a right leaning moderate (seems to match Libertarian ideas).

Obama, when looked at with a reasonable eye, has been a poor president. Bush wasn't much better. It's been a long time since a President was a good one.

Because people are seduced into the campaigning and the "less spending" myth. Romney will do no better than Obama and for many a lot worse.

I want a binder full of women... :playboy

:smilie_we

ADG

Romney thanks you for your vote! :thumbsup

It's about less borrowing and wasteful spending.

Ok for all the people that think romney shall do a wonderful job at reducing the deficit, please watch Jon Stewart break it all down with Romney's own words. Yes, very liberal source, but its all video clips put together of Romney promising it all. Also as its the daily show you non US people probably are screwed so go watch it elsewhere, its the october 9th one.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...ney-s-wizardry

Romney=Bush Lite :winkwink: