You can't be confused by the theory of getting govt. OUT OF THE WAY to allow business to thrive.

What I've heard Romney say in his speeches is that he knows what it takes to create 12 million jobs. In the next sentences he usually says that is to get govt. to make a friendlier business environment.

There's absolutely nothing "confusing" about Romney's plan if you own your own business in the United States.
Govt. is often...VERY often a hindrance to starting and operating a business instead of helping.

If that were to change...have govt. act in ways that helped business thrive. Get rid of the "gotcha" mentality with govt. regulations and inspections and at the same time make sure that no companies are endangering people or the environment....then yes, I do believe that the United States could become a place that companies would feel is the best place to build a factory again.

One thing is for sure. If you tax businesses more than anyplace else with corporate tax, and you increase the cost of doing business....and it's all being done by the govt., then you are not going to attract a lot of companies and the jobs that come with them.

We now have If politics. :1orglaugh

No it's very possible. Instead of over employment in the public sector costing tax payers. It will now be over employment in the oil industry forcing up the price of oil. Because it's not taxes, the 1% will be creaming more from it and it's paid for at the pump. Robbie, Minte and Baddog willl support this measure.

These guys are relics from the 1970s. With little understanding of the real world. Even when I post the facts. Will repost it as they must of missed it.

Reasons the World is in trouble. The US is just an example and other countries have followed a similar route.

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60-year-low tax revenues contribute to deficit growth

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bL4p3EMS03...s1600/mfg1.jpg

The Truth About U.S. Manufacturing

These parts are very interesting.



I think the writer is saying less people doing more work, making more goods, profit, etc. With less workers.

And the workers thrown out of a job.



What new skill sets, flipping burgers. Inform me of the new skills sets required with industry needing less people.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oybmrwCjz-...00/topfive.jpg

And to top it all.

http://oaktreemortgages.typepad.com/...5da8970b-800wi

But let's cut food stamps and other peoples jobs.

Must be great to live in some countries where people share the blame and don't point fingers at everyone else.

Yes let his fellow Americans wait for relief, because FEMA did compete with you and raise the bar to a level a rich man like you doesn't want to spend. Look on the $125 as your gift to your fellow Americans. So they can eat. :mad:

No I'm not trolling him, I pointing out his naked greed and selfishness. Would you mind paying a bit more so the victims of the worse storm in living memory get some help?

Yes revealing his greed was over the top.

You'll reveal your callousness and selfishness towards others to other people.

Now having a go at my age. got a better argument than that?

I wish.

What we see here is clear. A man who is claiming to be the richest man in this thread, is bitching because FEMA is doing the right thing and making sure his fellow Americans get the help they need. He's bitching because FEMA does compete and beats his price and he is forced to pay.

He doesn't have a decent reply to his mistake so him and his two cohorts resort to abuse and ridicule.

Ok well what about the adult industry? I know no one cares about us and I know you voted for Johnson already. Romney may know how to make 12 million jobs by getting government out of the way, but he still has vowed to outlaw porn something that directly effects us. That is getting government in the way. And I know I keep repeating myself, but Obama disbanded the obscenity task force and there have been no new inspections since he has been in office. He got government out of the way.

So maybe I am just selfish voting for the guy who has a chance to be reelected? It's great and all trying to get Johnson's 5% of the vote (I hope he gets it) but are you going to close your biz down for 4 years till the next election? I know you've done we'll over the years but starting an energy related business is big money way out of the reach of most people. So if you can start a related biz then to take advantage of it you've got to be a transient energy worker that moves job to job.

Also minte if I was in your position I'd probably vote for Romney too. You've moved on from adult and sounds like you make a good deal of money. I don't understand why someone making $30k a year would but sure high six to seven figures its understandable. I'd just cringe a bit inside placing my vote imagining what social policies from the 1700s he will try to bring back

I do care about ADULT industry, as President with the help of my Church I will make sure PORN is well. Mormons believe in buzz, cigarettes and porn :thumbsup
ADULT BUSINESS for ROMNEY 2012!

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slides...?1351018956000

The way I see it is that politicians have this need to make certain, people know where they stand on too many issues. Romney would like Roe V Wade overturned. That's never going to happen. The supreme court has already ruled.

Porn, Mr.Hefner has spent his life fighting the good fight over what is obscenity. At the end of the day, it's the local community that decides who to go after. Some people in this industry have painted big circles on their chest. No one should be surprised when state or feds take a shot. We have been hearing the antiporn message for decades. We will hear it for decades to come.

Relentless made a great post the other day abouit the war on drugs. I am surprised at Obama's position. Again, now a lot of states are legalizing it for *medicinal* use.

What I believe is that this administration has drawn a line in the sand and they want the feds to be in charge of everything. And it's going to fail. States and local communities is where we should be dealing with social issues.

True, porn has survived through many administrations. So maybe its just another thing politicians say to get elected, it is a pretty standard republican thing. It just seems adult is an easy target, hard line liberals are anti porn too (womens rights etc).

Obama of course has me totally lost on his war on drugs position, I'll agree with you on that. He has sent repeated mixed messages, first softening and then hardening the position after everyone setup shops.

The supreme court already leans conservative and I'd guess there is a pretty decent chance during the next 4 years the president would get to appoint another justice. Six conservatives to 3 liberals could possibly impact the future of the USA a LOT more then anything Romney himself could do. Would they overturn Roe V Wade? Maybe, maybe not, but it sure would be a lot easier. Citizens United sure would be around forever though, continuing to skew the power to a few

'Senate Republicans applied pressure to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service (CRS) in September, successfully persuading it to withdraw a report finding that lowering marginal tax rates for the wealthiest Americans had no effect on economic growth or job creation.'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...p_ref=politics


Republicans can't handle reality.

Your link was wrong. So I made sure everyone could see the truth.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2059156.html

http://www.examiner.com/article/cong...conomic-growth

http://www.kaleo.org/news/republican...9bb30f31a.html

Fucking Liberal Press not hiding the truth.

Tax hikes won't get it put right again, unless they're huge. But they will fix it faster than lower taxes. Still that won't sway people who don't care and bitch about having to pay an extra $125 because of the trucks being used to help victims of Sandy.

The supreme court appointments is a valid concern and it should be. I didn't like the outcome of the ruling on Obamacare but it did send a message that was heard loud and clear that the court is not about to be bullied by whoever is currently sitting on the throne.

As far as Roe v Wade. It's been nearly 40 years since that was passed. And I agree 100% with a womans right to choose. However, as a general rule,today birth control is available everywhere. There are morning after pills,etc. By now I would've thought that abortion is much less of an issue and option than it was. I also think that the far right continues to make noise about abortion just for the sake of making noise.

I haven't looked at any statistics to support this view. And it's possible I am full of crap. If abortions are up since 1973 then I need to rethink my position.

I kind of agree with you there, but birth control can also fail. I know of someone who got pregnant after a roll in the hay in which 2 methods of birth control were at work. You'd think no chance in hell, but it happened. Today's Republican party would call her irresponsible even though she was clearly trying to be responsible. They would say have the baby anyways even though complications meant doing so would likely mean her own death. If Ryan had his way, it'd be "fuck your life but don't harm that unborn fetus!" Yep, that's a "pro-life" stance.

The Republican party especially despises footing any part of the bill for any abortions. But what about footing about a million bills once that unplanned child is born? Because in many cases, that's what's going to happen. They care before it's born, but once that child is born, fuck it - no entitlements. Let the kid starve for all they care...it's no longer an unborn fetus so they don't give a shit.

That's the thing - allowing abortion has meant tons of children that would have otherwise been born, probably under extremely shitty circumstances, aren't. It's that much less burden on the people that would have had them and ultimately on society. That much less kids living fucked up lives because their parents didn't want them, hadn't planned for them and likely would be having trouble taking care of them and...*gasp* need government assistance to do so.

And it's a shame that the republican party continues to bark on about the issue. I never have agreed with their platform on most social issues and probably never will.

And I have never agreed with the democratic platform on fiscal matters. And I also probably never will.

This go around I am for the republicans totally based on fiscal matters. I can to a point relate to Romney as a businessman. I know he has learned things in his life by experience. Some success and some failure. I know that many or most of the things it really takes to run a successful business can't be taught in a classroom. The US is running out of time and money at such a rate that Obama's theories can't be tested. What Romney proposes is basically simple and has some history of working.

I came across this article by the Washington post fact checke discussing romney's 12 million job creation plan. It seems completely plausible that 12 million jobs will be created in the next 4 years but Romney doesn't use the facts for some reason about it to suit his own needs

http://washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact...6a4b_blog.html

This should speak for itself and hopefully sway a few voters on the fence:

Maybe we could get him to take over Manwin. :1orglaugh

http://washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact...6a4b_blog.html

This statement should be questioned. My tax reform plan to lower rates for the middle class and for small business creates 7 million more.

Where does the money come from to afford the tax reductions?

If he cuts spending, it will cost jobs. If, as I suspect, he increases borrowing. It will increase debt. Yet going this route floods the US with more cash and will create jobs. Your Great Grand Children can pay the debt.

Yet as that article states as the US comes out of recession, jobs will be created. WHAT EVER PRESIDENT IS IN OFFICE.

So what your saying is...

Romney is going to remove people off of government dependency - you know, that useless 47%. Retired people and the unemployed. So suddenly half of your membership base - 47% - is gone. Thus, your members just went from 200 to 100 and instead of making 10k a month your suddenly making 5k a month.

I'm just getting started.

Now Romney is going to reduce the amount of taxes we pay. Thus, instead of paying $25 a month we'll be paying $15 a month. 100 members times $15 a month is $1500.

Then Romney wants to give more money to hosting (our military) even though we don't need it. Let's say his hosting bill is $1k a month, but he's gonna pay extra for extra servers the site doesn't need. Thus, he's paying $1300 a month.

We went from making $10k a month to making $300 a month, we have less people working, and we are paying more for crap we don't need. This sounds like a brilliant plan.

In simple terms Romney is telling us he's going to reduce our taxes, remove people off of welfare, reduce our deficit, and increase our spending. He seems to think magically this will work. But he won't tell us how.

What exactly is Romney's plan? He's going to lower taxes, reduce our deficit, and spent more money with our military? He's going to take in less income, spend more, and not borrow - which doesn't add up.

Oil production over the Obama administration has been up over the prior administration, and we are importing less than ever before.

Which is pretty much where the last Republican white house took us.

What the fuck does Romney know about creating jobs? He took entire companies and ran them into the ground.

Then don't vote for him. Vote for a third party candidate. I voted for Johnson and am hoping he can pull 5% of the vote this time to break the Dem and Republican death grip on the elections.

One way or another you are going to end up with Obama...who I don't believe has any kind of plan for our country except 4 more years of the same. And Romney....who you don't believe knows what he is doing (I totally disagree with you on the fiscal side of it, but who am I?)

Why not cast a vote for the future and try to help clean out some of the lifetime career politicians?

That's already been explained to you over and over and over. By people in threads on GFY and by Romney himself on his website and in the debates.

Newsflash: He is not the President.
Obama is.
What is Obama's plan? More of the same?

Follow the Washington post link about romney's 12 million jobs plan Robbie. 12 million jobs is reasonable no matter who is elected, but Romney went ahead and cited odd studies to try to say he is right about things. Which turn into more strange lies

If Johnson was elected today his fiscal plan would crash us into a deep recession ;)

This is 100% spot on. Now tell us how you do it. I can tell you.

This is possible.

Which is, according to the studies Romney is using, the way back to recovery.

This thread is getting hilarious.

Shortly after Obama took office I posted a thread here on GFY about how the economy has affected my home town. (I included pictures, although I seem to have deleted them since which is a damn shame). When I made the post, exactly ten out of the twenty houses on my street were vacant. The Rainbow Market closed it's doors, and two condo complexes stopped construction with units half built. The Chilli's and Panetera Bread closed up shop, and a Sonic restaurant which was being built stopped half way. A brand new business complex was empty because businesses were closing down. We also lost the Wendy's and fucking Taco Bell. A new school was being built, and they stopped construction there too.

Four years later let's see where we are...

- Every house on my block is occupied.
- The rainbow market has been replaced with a newer and larger chain store, employing more people than ever before. It's also taken over the spot where the Taco Bell was.
- Construction on the condos has now restarted.
- A sushi place has opened up where the Chillis was, and we have a new McDonalds - as well as Red Robin. A friend of mine also opened up a new doughnut shop. (The Wendy's is still empty, and they removed the shell that was going to be the sonic.)
- No one I know here in town has lost their house in the past year.

What's Obama's plan? More of the same. Because everything in my life is better now than it was four years ago, and everything in my hometown is better than it was four years ago.

What is Romney going to do to "make things better"? Lower my taxes (while paying off the deficit and spending more on a military that isn't asking for more?)?

Just wondering... How many of you are working while debating here on GFY?

It's Sunday. :thumbsup

I am...unfortunately. lol

I work everyday. But I love my work so I'm doing what I like.

Well, let's talk about this. Together.

http://www.mittromney.com/JobsPlan. Go to page four. First one:

First off, that's not a plan. That's an idea. That's a statement. I need to know HOW he plans on doing this?
He's going to drop my taxes by twenty percent? Again, this is an idea, not a plan. It's statement. How is going to reduce my taxes while lowering the deficit?

I'm already bored.

Do you really mean to tell me that Romney's "full plan" on his website is only eight pages long and is reduced to four bullet points that are only ideas?

Give me a laptop and twenty-four hours, lock up in a room with a case of Red Bull, and I'll come up with a plan that isn't bullet points and vague ideas and details step by step what I would do.

And Obama's plan...Spend like a drunken sailor and tax people making $250k a year more to pay for it.

Great plan

Brother I voted for Obama, Bush, and Clinton (going backwards in chronological order) on IDEAS. There is no practical way for any of them to lay out a detailed step-by-step plan until they have their hands on the wheel. Nor did ANY of them want to specify any details. Just like Obama is not right now.

No matter what you do, you are going to alienate a large percentage of voters. The trick to politics is (and always has been...not just with Romney as you are insinuating) to lay out a vision without getting into the specifics as much as possible.

And if you're bored...then do what you are going to do anyway...don't vote for Romney.

The world ain't gonna end if Obama is re-elected. I just don't think he deserves another term. I want to fire him. And if he worked just for me...I would.

:thumbsup

They should be saying ME. Me and ME. While the politicians are the ones where the ME really matters.

To tell you how he does this, without waiting for the coming recovery. He borrows money. There is no other way to do it.

It's impossible to cut much spending without job losses, it's impossible to cut taxes without losing jobs or increasing spending. Unless he's Gandolph.

He can tinker with a few things, but it will be tinkering. And the sad part is many will swallow the promises without looking at the fine print, because they want tax cuts and don't care that this is why their Governments of the last 12 years have landed the debt onto future generations. Bush increased the debt by 66%, Obama by 33%. What's so hard to understand?

http://www.freerangelongmont.com/wp/...l-Debt-GDP.gif

http://forexnewsnow.com/wp-content/u...t-Ceiling1.jpg

This is borrowed money swimming around in your entire economy. Not only the poor, scroungers, invalids and defrauders. Money never sleeps, it goes around and around. without buying something that someone made and someone sold and someone lived off the proceeds of, it's just bits of paper or figures on a computer screen.

As I detailed above and how it's affected me, this seems to be working. All of the houses on my street are occupied.

Your going to have to pay more taxes Minte? What does that mean? That you have your tires on your Lambo rotated once a year instead of twice? I bet you pay less taxes than someone who makes $60k a year.

We've had this discussion once before about taxes - remember talking about your employees? A tax increase for the guy who sweeps your floor means he might not be able to eat lunch every day because he can't afford $300 a week for food for his family PLUS a small tax increase. At the same time, chances are you wouldn't even notice a tax increase.

You are right. Normally here on GFY I am short and the point - so I don't say something that can trip me up.

However, in this case, Romney is being blasted because he doesn't have a plan. YOU just told me to go to his website to see his plan and even though it's labeled "full plan" it's really four pages of bitching about Obama, three pages of mush, and four bullet points that are vague ideas and statements. He's running the race of his life, he is asking millions of people to vote for him, and his entire plan is only four bullet points with vague statements?

I understand his economic plan completely. If you think it's vague I can't help you. Plenty of Democrats are all saying the same thing as you, so you're not alone.

His economic plan makes a lot more sense to ME than Obamas non-plan.

But don't worry...the electorate is so non-passionate about Obama and Romney that the polls just keep changing drastically with every new development. Last week Romney was going to win the election going away, before the debates Obama was gonna win in a landslide.
This week...Obama did his job and Christie hugged him. So now Obama is gonna win.

Have you ever seen such insanity? I would think that by now everybody has picked a candidate. But apparently if Obama sneezes funny today, the polls could all shift again by tomorrow. lol

Anyway, Obama is probably going to win the election if the post-hurricane polls are indicative.
So just relax and feel good about it.

As you've said, all the houses on your block are occupied and everyone you know is doing great.
That can now continue with Obama leading the way.

I voted for Johnson. And if I could, I would fire Obama for his incompetence in my view. And no, you aren't going to change my mind and make me suddenly think that Obama has done a great job over the last 4 years.

I do believe that once the election is over...the economy is going to start reviving. Even if Obama is re-elected. Businesses and investors will then know which direction things are going to go and adjust accordingly.

That's good news for all of us.

It's working for the group who has become dependant on government handouts.


If it were only me having to pay more taxes it would be tough shit for Minte. But it's not just me. It's millions of people that employ tens of millions more. Why do you think this recovery has been so slow? If you want to make that bet on what I pay, put up. I pay more than the number you used monthly. And quite a bit more monthly.
What about spending? Why is it ok with you that this administration is borrowing like there is no tomorrow?

If people that employ people had confidence that our efforts to grow were not just for Obama to waste more we would grow. I don't want our employees to have to pay more.
I want the government to spend less, so no one needs to be taxed more.

What shocks me about this election cycle is how so many people think that more taxes on anyone for any reason is a good thing.

What shocks me is how many people are suddenly "pro-govt." and have no problem with them spending 10.6 BILLION dollars a DAY.

It blows my mind. I grew up when liberals were anti-govt.

Obviously both are bad choices, but Romney is worse

Fuck! With that hairswap, Romney actually looks kinda cool.

And Obama looks like Al Sharpton. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

finally getting to what really matters. could've saved pages of posts :(

All it took was one hair swap picture to put it all in perspective...vote for Gary Johnson. :pimp

He doesn't have a plan. He has a few sentences. That's not a plan. He's running for President of the United States of America. He has a staff of people that should be creating his plan so he can sell it to the public. And it's just not there.

Seems to be working fine for you just you who just expanded his business.

The amount of money we spend on the deficit is both staggering and mind blowing. We do need to put a stop to this.

But how many times in American history has the public been concerned about the deficit? This isn't the first time. We should be concerned, and it will be something we'll need to address. Let's get the economy rolling first.

If not we'll go through the "lost decade" like Japan did.

I wasn't talking about the deficit. I'm talking about the govt. spending 10.6 billion dollars every damn day.

And they haven't slowed down one bit. For all the talk...they haven't slowed down at all.

Yes, that is a plan.

And could you tell me what Obama's "plan" was in 2008 if it wasn't speeches and rhetoric without any detail?

And yet, it was enough for me to believe in his vision at that time and vote for him.

This time I'm not falling for Obama's bullshit. Clinton ran on a vision...a few paragraphs back in 1992. I voted for him. He floundered the first two years, and then kicked it into high gear.

Obama had a few paragraphs (just like Romney). A vision, a direction. And FAILED miserably.

Yet you give him a pass.

What's the difference? NOBODY ever puts out a detailed plan and wins. It alienates too many voters who might be adversely affected by the details (their taxes might go up, they might lose a benefit, etc.)

But you just keep repeating the same mantra over and over. Even though I'm telling you the answer. You just don't want to hear it.

So here is a question: What is Obama's "detailed" plan.
He has been the President for four fucking years. You'd think he would have a plan by now. lol

But he doesn't.

He's never even had a single budget passed. Not even ONE Democrat has ever voted for an Obama budget. It was unanimous NO.

Obama is definitely setting precedents. lol

According to Paul the Master, we can't cut anything or it will cause more harm.

I'm not sure why you are sweating it, obama should win.. And since you make no money you won't have your taxes increased. Personally I don't want to pay anymore money then I already do.

It also would be nice to have a president who gives a shit about small businesses. California is full of them too, so watch the economy here take a nosedive when Obama is elected.

Mayne you haven't heard, but thousands of people aren't being booted for not paying on their home, Obama isn't allowing the foreclosures to happen that should.

Personally for me, it pisses me off that my neighbors get to live rent free while I have to pay each month.