awww no one wants to watch the vid and then tell me how romney will cut the deficit. If republicans cant be fiscally prudent (time and time again they have proved they can't), then what do they really have going for them? rape babies?

That made zero sense.

Pretty sure the PUSA does not have that kind of power. :2 cents:

Jon Stewart laughs at people like you.

He laughs a hell of a lot harder at people like you though ;)

also typical useless response

It really does but you've never struck me as one who is strong in deductive reasoning.

Sigh.

http://digitaljournal.com/img/6/5/9/.../666479333.jpg

Less borrowing. That's a great idea. US GDP is $15.09 Trillion, the debt is $16.25 Trillion and rising. So if the US decides to cut the debt by $1.62 Trillion a year it will take 10 years and mean 10% less money in the US. Are you willing to take a 10% cut or should the cuts, as you indicated, hurt everyone else?

Wasteful spending. I asked you to give me a list of cuts and your list was about job losses for everyone else. You even wanted poor people to starve because 2% of them abuse the system.

So here's a better way to pay off the debt and not increase unemployment and reduce spending in the US. Taxes to go back to the Clinton era, sales tax of 10% on all non essential items, such as basic foods. Plus tax on imported finished goods. The myth of less taxes increasing spending and the wealth of a country has been shot down good and proper.

Or is it really about everyone else taking the pain?

Reasons the World is in trouble. The US is just an example and other countries have followed a similar route.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...993_-_2008.png

60-year-low tax revenues contribute to deficit growth

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bL4p3EMS03...s1600/mfg1.jpg

The Truth About U.S. Manufacturing

These parts are very interesting.

I think the writer is saying less people doing more work, making more goods, profit, etc. With less workers.

And the workers thrown out of a job.

What new skill sets, flipping burgers. Inform me of the new skills sets required with industry needing less people.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oybmrwCjz-...00/topfive.jpg

And to top it all.

http://oaktreemortgages.typepad.com/...5da8970b-800wi

But let's cut food stamps and other peoples jobs.

Must be great to live in some countries where people share the blame and don't point fingers at everyone else.

Paul. I pay over 7 figures in taxes. Spending more than you make... it should not be this difficult to understand that this concept has a limit. And the limit has been reached.

Perfect timing,for a real world look at government waste. I just checked my company email and found this. A week ago, we purchased a new cnc surface grinder from a company in Chicago. The company that sold the grinder found the trucking company to deliver it. THe grinder should've been here Tuesday for a shipping fee of $375.00.
Here is the letter I just received.

Hey XXXX,



I haven’t found anyone for this load other than the guy that will do it for $500. I know that’s more than I quoted but the market for flatbeds has changed since that storm came in. FEMA is writing checks for whatever people want and so the price for everything has gone up. I apologize but I promise that the $500 is exactly what I’d be paying the driver and that’s as low as I could find it. If you guys want me to keep trying, I will. I just can’t guarantee that I can get the price back down that low. Again, I am really sorry for this. If you do want this $500 load, I’ll send the truck over ASAP. Thanks for your time and let me know what I should do.



XXXXXX X XXXXXXX

Freight Consultant

XXXX XXXXXX XXXXX XXX XXX | Chattanooga, TN 37402

Yes America has been spending more than it makes. That includes you. Unless all of a sudden you're not American.

Clinton balanced the books, or close to it. Bush gave away billions in tax cuts and went on a wild spending spree. Then the poorly regulated banks, fucked everyone playing their game of roulette with other people's money. All the time China has been rising and continues to rise.

Even with that production is good, by sacking lots of people and not bothering what they do. How many more do you think will have to lose their jobs before they realise they've been screwed over? And come looking for the rich fat cats.

But screw them and if 2% fraud food stamps, lets stop food stamps. And regulations, what do big businesses like yours need regulations for? :upsidedow

And studies. Why bother with the Government trying to find out what's happening. They don't need to know that.

Why not privatise more Government funded projects. Roads, would be a great place to start. You drive and go through automatic tolls that deduct from your CC gauged to the car you drive and mileage. Then the Government doesn't bother with that and uses the money saved to reduce the debt. Of course like the private Health Care industry, the new tolls will squeeze you a lot more.

Here's a list of things that could be privatised.

Policing.
Medics.
Fireman.
Street Lighting.
Street Cleaning.
Schools (the poor don't need an education to be unemployed)
Child Welfare.

Please add to the list.

I shudder to think how much you earn if you pay over $1,000,000. What % of your income is that? how much better off are you under the new tax rates than you would be under the same as the Clinton era?

This man who probably earns 8 figures a year. Is now bitching because FEMA is picking up all the drivers it can to help rescue the victims of Sandy. Which will mean he has to pay $125 extra because of a National Emergency.

And why should truck drivers earn so much?

How greedy can a man get even though he's clearly very very rich?

What a great American you are. :upsidedow

#1 GOP rule: Never admit fault. Fuck Mitt.

Obama 2012.:thumbsup

FEMA IS WRITING CHECKS for whatever people want. FEMA IS SPENDING OUR TAX DOLLARS. Why shouldn't they be required to deal with vendors on a competivie basis.

And I am a great American. I served my country in the US Army, I employee people and pay their insurances and contribute to their retirement.

You on the other hand are a poor human being. You sit at a computer all day and talk shit about things you clearly don't understand. If you did, you would be the one paying 7 figures in taxes rather than merely existing in some eastern european hovel.

I have had enough of you and your insults. It is not worth my time. In 12 years I have never used the ignore feature until now.

Minte you are wasting your time. Paul is simply trolling. There is no way on Earth that anybody could believe the stuff he is saying. He is fucking with you hard.

I'm surprised you went as far with him as you did.

That was the last time. I wouldn't give him 30 seconds of my time in real life. And I won't give him another second online.

Obamas #1 rule: Never admit fault. Can you say Benghazi?

Nothing is ever his fault, the difference is people get killed when he lies and then lies again to coverup what really happened.

You are right. It certainly doesn't make any sense. I think it probably is due to the fact that he is from our generation that makes me continue. But it only proved one thing. You can get old without getting wise.

He is closer to my dad's generation. ;) And yeah, I gave up on him back when he was Charly.

Still waiting for someone to explain this for me. Sorry clueless liberal here

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...ney-s-wizardry

I'll take a shot at it:
That is John Stewart. He is a comedian. He is doing a bit there where he pretends not to understand how federal revenues will rise when millions of more people are employed (when and if that happens). It's funny. He is very liberal by the way. He could have done a bit on the crap Obama has said and done as the actual President and the shit he claimed during his 2008 campaign.

But he chose not to. :)

But Romney claims he will lower taxes by 20% but not cut anything major at all. You actually believe that will reduce the deficit? Sure Jon Stewart is liberal but he isn't the one talking in the clips, that is Romney himself. Jon Stewart is simply walking the audience down a list of possible things to cut. Maybe he missed something huge? Or is just Romney saying anything he can to get a vote?

I mean if 20% tax reduction would reduce the deficit, why not just make taxes 0%? We'd be in the black in no time!

His plan is to get 12 million people back to work,basically in the energy sector. If he can make that happen those people that are now receiving from the government will be contributing again. It's the abbreviated version of trickle down economics.

I searched around and saw this figure a few times, 9.2 million people are employeed by the natural gas and oil sector. Even with the keystone pipeline greenlighted 12mil jobs seems a rather lofty goal to achieve. Certainly wouldn't occur overnight either. So if Romney prodeeded as he claims this would contribute massively to the deficit until this all actually happened

Minte just explained (as did I in my first reply to you)

If you broaden the tax base and decrease the number of dependents on the govt., it will increase revenue.

Think of it like this...If you had a paysite with 200 members paying $30 a month you would make $6,000 a month. But if you had 400 members paying $25 a month you would make $10,000 a month.

You cut the amount they paid, but you increased the number of people paying in AND the total revenue.

You may question whether or not Romney's policies will increase employment enough to make that happen, but the fundamentals of the idea are sound.
His approach is to make the U.S. more "business friendly" so that companies will want to set up shop here instead of overseas. Which would bring employment and a broader tax base.

I'm not really sure what Obama's plan is. The best I can tell is that we are going to hire millions of teachers with federal money for local schools. And then our kids are going to learn to do the "jobs of tomorrow". And apparently there is going to be a lot of jobs making solar panels.
But I'm not exactly sure.

I think that Romney's approach to the economy would definitely work.

His stance on social issues however leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. Obama isn't much better in that regard. He's made a couple of winks and nods to gay folks...but still continues the "war on drugs", the Patriot Act, and military opportunism overseas.

If you get a chance...check out Gary Johnson (that's who I early-voted for) http://garyjohnson2012.com/
He is more socially liberal than the entire Democrat party put together. And more fiscally conservative than any Republican ever was.

I am not saying that I believe it will be easy. But it's a plan. Probably the best thing Romney could do if he is elected,is open the federal lands to drilling and then stay out of the way and let private enterprise grow their businesses.

What we have going now is the fast track to bankruptcy.

Presidential election aside, what do you two think about the impending "fiscal cliff"? It seems either way the democrats seem to have a bit more leverage this time around, though who knows if they will have any balls to use it. It's just that if congress doesn't nothing as usual rates automatically rise along with some other things like the payroll tax expires

I believe it's all posturing. THe ramifications won't serve either party. And certainly not the middle class. These guys are a bunch of drama queens. Every few years they play brinksmanship just for sport.

Whoever ends up winning the presidential election will score major points for *saving* the country. And with a bit of luck these aholes in congress will actually start working together for the benefit of the people they are supposed to be serving.

Overly optimistic. probably.

From the horse's mouth :

But what I don't get ... is .. that .é.. hummm ... I thought republicans always say that Government DOES NOT create jobs ...

.. confusing ...

You can't be confused by the theory of getting govt. OUT OF THE WAY to allow business to thrive.

What I've heard Romney say in his speeches is that he knows what it takes to create 12 million jobs. In the next sentences he usually says that is to get govt. to make a friendlier business environment.

There's absolutely nothing "confusing" about Romney's plan if you own your own business in the United States.
Govt. is often...VERY often a hindrance to starting and operating a business instead of helping.

If that were to change...have govt. act in ways that helped business thrive. Get rid of the "gotcha" mentality with govt. regulations and inspections and at the same time make sure that no companies are endangering people or the environment....then yes, I do believe that the United States could become a place that companies would feel is the best place to build a factory again.

One thing is for sure. If you tax businesses more than anyplace else with corporate tax, and you increase the cost of doing business....and it's all being done by the govt., then you are not going to attract a lot of companies and the jobs that come with them.

We now have If politics. :1orglaugh

No it's very possible. Instead of over employment in the public sector costing tax payers. It will now be over employment in the oil industry forcing up the price of oil. Because it's not taxes, the 1% will be creaming more from it and it's paid for at the pump. Robbie, Minte and Baddog willl support this measure.

These guys are relics from the 1970s. With little understanding of the real world. Even when I post the facts. Will repost it as they must of missed it.

Reasons the World is in trouble. The US is just an example and other countries have followed a similar route.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...993_-_2008.png

60-year-low tax revenues contribute to deficit growth

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bL4p3EMS03...s1600/mfg1.jpg

The Truth About U.S. Manufacturing

These parts are very interesting.



I think the writer is saying less people doing more work, making more goods, profit, etc. With less workers.

And the workers thrown out of a job.



What new skill sets, flipping burgers. Inform me of the new skills sets required with industry needing less people.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oybmrwCjz-...00/topfive.jpg

And to top it all.

http://oaktreemortgages.typepad.com/...5da8970b-800wi

But let's cut food stamps and other peoples jobs.

Must be great to live in some countries where people share the blame and don't point fingers at everyone else.

Yes let his fellow Americans wait for relief, because FEMA did compete with you and raise the bar to a level a rich man like you doesn't want to spend. Look on the $125 as your gift to your fellow Americans. So they can eat. :mad:

No I'm not trolling him, I pointing out his naked greed and selfishness. Would you mind paying a bit more so the victims of the worse storm in living memory get some help?

Yes revealing his greed was over the top.

You'll reveal your callousness and selfishness towards others to other people.

Now having a go at my age. got a better argument than that?

I wish.

What we see here is clear. A man who is claiming to be the richest man in this thread, is bitching because FEMA is doing the right thing and making sure his fellow Americans get the help they need. He's bitching because FEMA does compete and beats his price and he is forced to pay.

He doesn't have a decent reply to his mistake so him and his two cohorts resort to abuse and ridicule.

Ok well what about the adult industry? I know no one cares about us and I know you voted for Johnson already. Romney may know how to make 12 million jobs by getting government out of the way, but he still has vowed to outlaw porn something that directly effects us. That is getting government in the way. And I know I keep repeating myself, but Obama disbanded the obscenity task force and there have been no new inspections since he has been in office. He got government out of the way.

So maybe I am just selfish voting for the guy who has a chance to be reelected? It's great and all trying to get Johnson's 5% of the vote (I hope he gets it) but are you going to close your biz down for 4 years till the next election? I know you've done we'll over the years but starting an energy related business is big money way out of the reach of most people. So if you can start a related biz then to take advantage of it you've got to be a transient energy worker that moves job to job.

Also minte if I was in your position I'd probably vote for Romney too. You've moved on from adult and sounds like you make a good deal of money. I don't understand why someone making $30k a year would but sure high six to seven figures its understandable. I'd just cringe a bit inside placing my vote imagining what social policies from the 1700s he will try to bring back

I do care about ADULT industry, as President with the help of my Church I will make sure PORN is well. Mormons believe in buzz, cigarettes and porn :thumbsup
ADULT BUSINESS for ROMNEY 2012!

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slides...?1351018956000

The way I see it is that politicians have this need to make certain, people know where they stand on too many issues. Romney would like Roe V Wade overturned. That's never going to happen. The supreme court has already ruled.

Porn, Mr.Hefner has spent his life fighting the good fight over what is obscenity. At the end of the day, it's the local community that decides who to go after. Some people in this industry have painted big circles on their chest. No one should be surprised when state or feds take a shot. We have been hearing the antiporn message for decades. We will hear it for decades to come.

Relentless made a great post the other day abouit the war on drugs. I am surprised at Obama's position. Again, now a lot of states are legalizing it for *medicinal* use.

What I believe is that this administration has drawn a line in the sand and they want the feds to be in charge of everything. And it's going to fail. States and local communities is where we should be dealing with social issues.

True, porn has survived through many administrations. So maybe its just another thing politicians say to get elected, it is a pretty standard republican thing. It just seems adult is an easy target, hard line liberals are anti porn too (womens rights etc).

Obama of course has me totally lost on his war on drugs position, I'll agree with you on that. He has sent repeated mixed messages, first softening and then hardening the position after everyone setup shops.

The supreme court already leans conservative and I'd guess there is a pretty decent chance during the next 4 years the president would get to appoint another justice. Six conservatives to 3 liberals could possibly impact the future of the USA a LOT more then anything Romney himself could do. Would they overturn Roe V Wade? Maybe, maybe not, but it sure would be a lot easier. Citizens United sure would be around forever though, continuing to skew the power to a few

'Senate Republicans applied pressure to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service (CRS) in September, successfully persuading it to withdraw a report finding that lowering marginal tax rates for the wealthiest Americans had no effect on economic growth or job creation.'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...p_ref=politics


Republicans can't handle reality.

Your link was wrong. So I made sure everyone could see the truth.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2059156.html

http://www.examiner.com/article/cong...conomic-growth

http://www.kaleo.org/news/republican...9bb30f31a.html

Fucking Liberal Press not hiding the truth.

Tax hikes won't get it put right again, unless they're huge. But they will fix it faster than lower taxes. Still that won't sway people who don't care and bitch about having to pay an extra $125 because of the trucks being used to help victims of Sandy.