That song always puts me in a good place.

Agreed. Except for Santa...i still believe in him even though I havent got jack shit in 4 years! Not even coal, but I have a feeling this is my year.

Typo. Chapter 6, v. 66.

OK, I'll play. What does v. 63
You really think he's talking about cannibalism? :1orglaugh
You can't be serious.

Here, maybe this will help.

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/john6pt2.htm

I have to admit, I find myself conflicted that I have to side with Alex; especially Michael and JD, but they have just blown me away. I hope they are just trolling . . . . please Lord.

Maybe it's time to give it all up rather than promote a 'your religion is so much whackier than my religion' perspective.

Another senior moment or basic need to be grumpy asshole?

Hey Pal, I'm not here to argue the theology of transubstantiation, but it's clear that's what you'd like to do here. No thanks.

Michael has stated the Catholic position more or less accurately and that's my point here: Catholics believe that Christ is bodily present in the Eucharist, that the bread and wine have become his actual body and blood through a miracle, though still appearing to remain bread and wine, their substance has been changed to body and blood. Aha, you observe, but they still look and taste like bread and wine! The Catholic Church teaches that things are not always what they appear to be, and they are "accidents" in the philosophy of Aristotle and the theology of St. Thomas Aquinas. That's the essence of transubstantiation, a bitterly contested issue during the Protestant Reformation. Some Protestants went so far as to accept consubstantiation, the idea that the consecrated species in the Eucharist were simultaneously bread and wine but also the body and blood of Christ; but most of the Protestant leaders thought that it was just a symbol. (By the way, Mormons substitute water for the wine because of the teachings in the Word of Wisdom about alcohol, and many of the Bible Thumper sects - the ones who oppose this industry and who join AFA and MIM - substitute grape juice.) If you find it hard to believe that the Catholics really believe this, you can check it out yourself in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraphs 1374-1377. (That same Catechism takes the position that all governments should outlaw pornography, and while it condemns prostitution, it's notably silent about suggesting that prostitution should be outlawed. In this respect, it tracks with the teaching of Aquinas, though it disregards his reasoning that things which protect against sexual predation should not be outlawed.)

Baddog, I'm taking no position here except that Michael does accurately understand what Catholics believe. Whether it's true or false, crazy, stupid or wise, is not my concern here, just accuracy.

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I don't give a faq

Typically no one wins when you argue religion or politics or anything labelled as a conspiracy.


so...everyone can just back away before it gets personal

thats not true anyways. at one time sure, but they stopped that around 1890. the only groups that continued broke off from the mormon church and started their own.

I just thought they wore funny hats had long beards and many wives ..Do they have gang bangs with all thier wifes together ?

Nope, the Catholic Church stance is the host is transformed into the body of Christ. Not ritual but actual cannibalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euchari...atholic_Church

Bible is nothing but a book of parables with philosophical meaning. Ever read any Hindu books? Now thats some stuff. Want to talk about elephants with 6 arms and reincarnation into a bug?
You really want to take everything literally just because it says so? So let me get this straight, Torah is nothing but book of arguments between Rabbis and shouldn't be taken literally, yet when the bible says take my body and few verses later explains that body means "my words and faith in me", you describe this as cannibalism? Some scholar you are!

This is what Catholics are told to believe. i understand you are not getting this but that is their current teachings/beliefs, not some verse in the bible.

Thank you captain O. Ever thought I could be or used to be one of them and actually studied theology just a little?

Yeah it occurred to me but you aren't grasping that this is a Pope down belief so where is the issue? It is an ugly way to describe it but it is not inaccurate.

More news to me.
So Pope down you say? This must be the wrong Pope than. Looks like he explained it pretty damn clear.

To distinguish the Body of Christ in this sense from his physical body, the term "Mystical Body of Christ" is often used. This term was used as the first words, and so as the title, of the encyclical Mystici Corporis Christi of Pope Pius XII. In that document, Pope Pius XII clearly states, "the mystical Body of Christ... is the Catholic Church."

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pi...hristi_en.html

You can't make this shit up. The church really stands behind this. I have not studied it but I did encounter it.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/po...ctrine_en.html

"9. The Lord’s words at the last supper, ‘Take and eat; this is my body’, do not allow us to dissociate the gift of the presence and the act of sacramental eating. The elements are not mere signs; Christ’s body and blood become really present and are really given. But they are really present and given in order that, receiving them, believers may be united in communion with Christ the Lord."

Did you read anything I posted? Anything?
Otherwise send email to Vatican and tell them one of their staff members fucked up writing this Mystici Corporis Christi document and they don't know shit.

Funny that all Catholics are cannibals because they eat a wafer (which has to be the most ridiculous, illogical and inane statement I've ever heard anyone try and seriously make, and from two people who seem to consider themselves intelligent :1orglaugh), and all Muslims believe in "72 virgins" and Muhammad is frequently referred to as a pedophile, but when it comes to Jews, whose 'holy' book states that Jews should rape children, as long as they are under 9 years old, as well as cheat, rob and kill anyone who isn't Jewish, that's nothing, no problem, don't worry about it, no Jew really believes that.

But yeah, every Catholic is a "cannibal". :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You k00ks are funny.

Yeah I read your stuff. Did you take a peak at where I got mine? Send them an email they fucked up their Eucharist page. Ever talked to a priest or priests about this? They all stand behind it. It is a pretty well known stance in my neck of the woods. The Eucharist is considered holy Because it is the body of christ. It is not allowed to be left alone, get dirty, etc.

No one should believe any of this stuff. I was pointing out what the Catholic church states. "They think they are cannibals." I think they are uninformed.

Then explain how they could take Communion on Friday's before they could eat meat. You guys are a funny lot

That's just what they came up with when they were writing it all down.

Jesus actually looked at his disciples and said:

EAT ME!!

but they couldn't put that in the bible. Nope, wouldn't be prudent.





P.S. Yeah, yeah, I know, I stole it from Sam Kinison, SUE ME!!

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For a long time, the board has looked like the little village in Eastern Europe that conducts the Running of the Jew on a daily basis with Michael as the guest of honor. In a country built on tolerance and respect for the views of others - and especially in an industry that cannot exist without those things, the tone and content of these posts is an embarrassment to professionals in the adult industry.

At least I provided a momentary digression into Catholic bashing for pornographers.

Yep, i read it all. Talks about body of Christ and Eucharist. And the document I provided explains that it does not literally means "the body" but rather catholic Church and faith in God. Pretty self explanatory. BTW, written by none other but Pope himself. You see where you lose me with your arguments.

I think you're thinking of Amish Mennonites with the hats and beards. Or Hasidic Jews.

The Mormon's do practice polygamy, though. Mitt Romney's grandfather had three wives and thirty children. Check it out: Mitt Romney's Mormon family in Mexico vs. the drug cartels

i always respected you but before you insult others you should have a look around in your own country...

:2 cents:

Running of the Jew happens in Borat's Kazakhstan not Eastern Europe.
Tolerance and respect? Wait a minute again. So when someone says "Jews can marry 3 year olds" its anti-semitism, yet "Catholic practice cannibalism on weekly basic" its a point of view? I know you're lawyer and all but come on!

It's free speech/expression the porn industry relies on, and free speech/expression is what you're complaining about here.

And FYI, most racist/religious attacks on this board are against black people and Muslims. Two groups I haven't noticed you showing any particular defense of.

It's much broader than this recent exchange; what Michael endures here as the lighting rod for his faith is abysmal and stands in defiance of every value that I treasure as an American. So as you sew, so shall you reap; if you dish out intolerance, you can hardly expect tolerance from a jury judging contemporary community standards.

I've come to know Michael and his wife over most of a decade and he is a class act. Smart, funny, and a gentleman in every sense that I can see. There is an instinct deep within me to protect and defend underdogs - it's why I defend clients in this industry. Whether the village is in Eastern Europe or in the fringes of Asia should not concern you as much as the dangerous dichotomy between the kind of tolerance that you would ask from a jury if you got into trouble and the intolerance and cruelty you show to others.

actually romney's grandfather and a group of others moved to mexico after the mormon church banned polygamy in 1890. they may have considered themselves 'mormons' but were not a part of the official/original one.

its very easy to insult any religion. there is so much retarded crap in all of them.

So they are eating the church also. Yeah the whole thing loses me. I could never get the triune god thing either. Ask your local priest, I bet you get my explanation with hand wringing.

Edit: I think you are being confused by the word Mystical. He is defining the church and then makes the remarks that the body or people in this case need to help the head, Christ/clergy. The guy rights as clear as mud but being as he probalby extremely educated and is writing on a well, tricky topic, you have to give him leeway.