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Mr Pheer 11-07-2012 08:26 AM

Las Vegas will become the new San Fernando Valley.

TheSquealer 11-07-2012 08:29 AM

For those that want to argue that testing works... you better hope to fucking god that a court doesn't order the release of data showing statistics on how many people the biz are infected with how many diseases.

But then again, that's your destiny anyway because you're too fucking dumb to not only understand the inherent risks in frivolous provocation in conflict but you seek it.

Your enemy owns you.

He's organized
He's motivated
He controls governments
He controls legislators
He has money
He has support
His forces are easily rallied against you and your "cause"

You?

You're just an insignificant 14yr old bully with daddy issues on a street corner trying to tell everyone that you should be able to do what you want, when you want, how you want and throwing up your fists as if you are capable of anything more than misguided bravado.

Your enemy loves that.

When your enemy looks at you, he sees ...

Your forces are fragmented and poorly organized
You're unintelligent
You're predictable
You're selfish and self centered
You're short sighted
You have a very poor concept of your own abilities, capabilities and limitations
You have a very poor concept of how the public percieves you
You're easily provoked
Once provoked, you can be relied on to mind numbingly dumb decisions
You're motivated by the wrong things, and for the wrong reasons
You will never have popular support
You are and always have been, your own worst enemy
You will always be a pimp preying on the weak and ruining lives

Your enemy owns you. He just hasn't made the conscious choice to kill you yet. It will come. It's inevitable. Once they fully grasp how weak and ineffectual you are, you'll be done.

All it takes is one person to lead that charge.

One day, it will happen.

One day, a girl will turn out to be a senators daughter and addict, be doing DP scenes and die on the set of an overdose and the entire industry will be finished. Thats all it will take. Thats how weak you are.

TheSquealer 11-07-2012 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19300003)
I can agree with most of that but it does nothing for public safety.

Lets assume that's true. That is still a losing argument. I can argue that i'm super safe on the job site and shouldn't have to wear steel toed boots, a fluorescent yellow safety vest and hard hat. Won't matter. Safety on the job site is still safety on the job site. Accidents will still happen and others will still be saying "see, i told you so".

DWB 11-07-2012 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19300002)
Idiot. Note Money would have helped. We said so all along.

The guy who has everything to lose by Measure B just called the guy who has nothing to lose by Measure B an idiot. :1orglaugh Classic.

You should take your own advice and build windmills. :2 cents:

TheSquealer 11-07-2012 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19300003)
they should of passed a law forcing ALL people to wear condoms during any kind of sexual activity if it was really about public safety and not just a way to tax and fine the adult industry.

You can't easily legislate what people can do in their own home. You can however, easily legislate what people can do on a job site.


Pretty basic stuff. Seems to apply everywhere - except people in the biz think it shouldn't apply to them.
http://www.lohp.org/docs/pubs/BBPBOOK.PDF

DWB 11-07-2012 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19300011)
For those that want to argue that testing works... you better hope to fucking god that a court doesn't order the release of data showing statistics on how many people the biz are infected with how many diseases.

But then again, that's your destiny anyway because you're too fucking dumb to not only understand the inherent risks in frivolous provocation in conflict but you seek it.

Your enemy owns you.

He's organized
He's motivated
He controls governments
He controls legislators
He has money
He has support
His forces are easily rallied against you and your "cause"

You?

You're just an insignificant 14yr old bully with daddy issues on a street corner trying to tell everyone that you should be able to do what you want, when you want, how you want and throwing up your fists as if you are capable of anything more than misguided bravado.

Your enemy loves that.

When your enemy looks at you, he sees ...

Your forces are fragmented and poorly organized
You're unintelligent
You're predictable
You're selfish and self centered
You're short sighted
You have a very poor concept of your own abilities, capabilities and limitations
You have a very poor concept of how the public percieves you
You're easily provoked
Once provoked, you can be relied on to mind numbingly dumb decisions
You're motivated by the wrong things, and for the wrong reasons
You will never have popular support
You are and always have been, your own worst enemy
You will always be a pimp preying on the weak and ruining lives

Your enemy owns you. He just hasn't made the conscious choice to kill you yet. It will come. It's inevitable. Once they fully grasp how weak and ineffectual you are, you'll be done.

All it takes is one person to lead that charge.

One day, it will happen.

One day, a girl will turn out to be a senators daughter and addict, be doing DP scenes and die on the set of an overdose and the entire industry will be finished. Thats all it will take. Thats how weak you are.

You're on a roll today.

Sophie Delancey 11-07-2012 09:32 AM

The main issue I have here is just that the power is being taken out of the hands of the people who are actually in the porn. If you listen to most performers, they want the option to choose what works for them. Even people who are really into safer sex tend to understand that making decisions for others when you aren't in their shoes isn't the best strategy.

notinmybackyard 11-07-2012 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19300011)
All it takes is one person to lead that charge.

One day, it will happen.

One day, a girl will turn out to be a senators daughter and addict, be doing DP scenes and die on the set of an overdose and the entire industry will be finished. Thats all it will take. Thats how weak you are.

Back in the early 1980s I was only engaged in talks with a gentlemen that wanted to invest some money in my films. But during this time the gouvernement buildings and their audio-visual equipement had been used by one of his friends to copy a porn film. (That is the official version of what happen)

End result was a huge political scandle and I could not breath because of law enforcement snooping around. I had done nothing but speak to the wrong person. Financially it remains the worst year I have ever had because producing anything was almost next to impossible.

So yes you are completly right.
It only takes meeting, talking or filming the wrong person and then it is game over. And that day is quickly coming.

Penny24Seven 11-07-2012 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19299647)
Anyone who expected anything else was dreaming while on acid.

because if there is one thing Paul knows that is every fucking thing LOL

TheSquealer 11-07-2012 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 19300147)
Back in the early 1980s I was only engaged in talks with a gentlemen that wanted to invest some money in my films. But during this time the gouvernement buildings and their audio-visual equipement had been used by one of his friends to copy a porn film. (That is the official version of what happen)

End result was a huge political scandle and I could not breath because of law enforcement snooping around. I had done nothing but speak to the wrong person. Financially it remains the worst year I have ever had because producing anything was almost next to impossible.

So yes you are completly right.
It only takes meeting, talking or filming the wrong person and then it is game over. And that day is quickly coming.

There were zero safety regulations in commercial fishing in Alaska... until a Congressman's kid drown when the FV St Patrick got into trouble and the guy running the boat told everyone to abandon ship.

Not that its a bad thing... but following that came a seriously huge list of safety regulations, required medical/first aid/safety training, required safety drills, Coast Guard inspections, required licenses, permits etc etc etc. mandated by the government.

Why was the federal government forced to pass all these laws for safety?

Because exactly like people in this biz, a group of selfish, uneducated and socially retarded idiots would not take any steps to save themselves otherwise and were perfectly content watching each other drown in easily avoidable accidents and chalking it all up to "bad luck" and "shit happens", "he knew the risks" and "it was a personal choice".

The Ghost 11-07-2012 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19299672)
Me neither. But I watch censored Japanese porn with no problem.

eyeball bukakke ftw

marcop 11-07-2012 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19299742)
That or just ignore it.

I find it hard to believe California of all places has the money to enforce this. The state is completely broke. At best maybe a couple of the large targets may get a visit or two, but the funds are not there to keep it going.

Court challenges to this measure could potentially cost the county millions of dollars. And although the AHF claimed the cost of permits will mean the program will be self-financing, there will be up-front costs for the county to set up ways of administering it.

Is the county really going to spend money on this? It makes very little sense to me.

ilnjscb 11-07-2012 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19299900)
It is not so obvious that it passed! 56/44 is far from obvious! We moved this from a 70/30 poll too 56/44! Our campaign had results, we just did not do enough, more support for more tv ads would have pushed this over the edge. That's the thing that we learned from this...

We will see what happens next...

The trouble is, as you move toward the next 6.1% your effort expended will have to rise significantly per percentage gained. You, through your efforts, may have changed the minds of the "low hanging fruit" but you will encounter resistance and diminished returns going forward. This is something political campaigns wrestle with all the time.

BlackAndBlue 11-07-2012 03:35 PM

Lol
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19299929)
What you are saying is, with all the experience from the FSC, your lawyers, other industry lawyers, James Lee, top industry professionals, and everyone else, that no one knew what could have pushed it over the edge to your favor until it was over and you lost?

Sounds like a well thought out plan and money well spent.



:1orglaugh

:thumbsup DWB -- stating the obvious.

BlackAndBlue 11-07-2012 03:40 PM

Now this is a post I admire
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 19299973)
Despite some of the new webkiddies that are a community on their own and have no idea how to make real money. In my area of the world there are a small handful of the old school pornographers left and a couple of young ones that have learned from them.

If you want to make money you keep your head down, maintain polite but quite relations with the other pornographers and those that bring attention to themselves or the industry you avoid like a disease. Do not even acknowledge their existence or film the same girls that they use.

My advice is unless you are in Los Angeles. Ignore what is happening there and use this as an opportunity to grab market share. But if you are in Los Angeles, I wish you good luck.

Next time try things the old way,

Take a politician out to for a good time, introduce him to some of the girls and make sure he gets big gifts for all the holidays. It is cheaper and more efficient.

But like most of the new people in porn that entered this industry in the last 5 to 10 years on here, I sincerly doubt you will still be around for another 5 more years.

Finally someone that gets it. Props to you. The absolute worst thing any industry can do is make themselves such a highly visible target. Before Diane Duke came on board with FSC, even the FSC knew that. Steve Hirsch hasn't helped, nor have all the other porners that have tried to force their way into "mainstream".

NemesisEnforcer 11-07-2012 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 19299973)
If you want to make money you keep your head down, maintain polite but quite relations with the other pornographers and those that bring attention to themselves or the industry you avoid like a disease. Do not even acknowledge their existence or film the same girls that they use.

Good advice and it's been done.

TheSquealer 11-07-2012 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcop (Post 19300228)
Court challenges to this measure could potentially cost the county millions of dollars. And although the AHF claimed the cost of permits will mean the program will be self-financing, there will be up-front costs for the county to set up ways of administering it.

Is the county really going to spend money on this? It makes very little sense to me.

As if LA County/Los Angeles/California are all shining examples of great fiscal policy and responsible spending.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

xNetworx 11-07-2012 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19299907)
Fingers crossed! I'm sure a county full of Catholic Mexicans are going to rally behind pornographers at the last minute.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Dvae 11-07-2012 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19299467)
from http://www.mikesouth.com

This ones a done deal
with 33% of precincts voting

B - SAFER SEX IN ADULT FILMS -
YES 513,580 60.45%
NO 336,001 39.55%

This is a win for Measure B

You should have voted out all Republicans on LA City Council. Problem solved!
Oh wait...

DWB 11-07-2012 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ghost (Post 19300218)
eyeball bukakke ftw

Hell yes. Pink eye or go home.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackAndBlue (Post 19300834)
Finally someone that gets it. Props to you. The absolute worst thing any industry can do is make themselves such a highly visible target. Before Diane Duke came on board with FSC, even the FSC knew that. Steve Hirsch hasn't helped, nor have all the other porners that have tried to force their way into "mainstream".

The industry needs to offer up Steve Hirsch as a human sacrifice. Let the public stone him to death at the Staple Center.

Jman 11-07-2012 06:16 PM

Why wasn't something posted on TMZ about this before the vote???

The Industry HAS contacts and had time to do something about this and unlike Prez Obama they did not reach for the stars to get stimulation going. I guess this is a lesson learned :(

notinmybackyard 11-07-2012 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackAndBlue (Post 19300834)
Finally someone that gets it. Props to you. The absolute worst thing any industry can do is make themselves such a highly visible target. Before Diane Duke came on board with FSC, even the FSC knew that. Steve Hirsch hasn't helped, nor have all the other porners that have tried to force their way into "mainstream".

I got my start in the sex industry back in the 1960s hustling men off the street into a Belgium strip club. And for the last 40 years I have been quiet producing pornographer. I would not have been around so long if I did not « get it » .

This entire thing is going to eventually collapse and all the big tough macho new kids of the last 5 to 10 years will be gone. Then we will go back to making quiet contacts and porn. The web kids that screamed « adapt or die » are now starting to die. I have seen all of this happen before.

Make a sandwich and enjoy the spectacle.

Jman 11-07-2012 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 19301244)
I got my start in the sex industry back in the 1960s hustling men off the street into a Belgium strip club. And for the last 40 years I have been quiet producing pornographer. I would not have been around so long if I did not « get it » .

This entire thing is going to eventually collapse and all the big tough macho new kids of the last 5 to 10 years will be gone. Then we will go back to making quiet contacts and porn. The web kids that screamed « adapt or die » are now starting to die. I have seen all of this happen before.

Make a sandwich and enjoy the spectacle.

What kind of sandwich... I'm hungry :winkwink:

DWB 11-07-2012 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jman (Post 19301218)
Why wasn't something posted on TMZ about this before the vote???

The Industry HAS contacts and had time to do something about this and unlike Prez Obama they did not reach for the stars to get stimulation going. I guess this is a lesson learned :(

Of course they have the contacts. One call to KB would have taken care of it. But do you want to know what they did instead? They tweeted back and forth to each other, sent emails, skinned tube sites, and actually "stormed tourists" in Hollywood to protest to them - tourists who do not live in California so they can not vote there - about Measure B. Oh, and they made some stupid YouTube videos that they passed back and forth to each other on twitter and on porn sites. That is the best they could do. But don't fret, they fight continues. More brilliant moves ahead.

Jman 11-07-2012 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19301269)
Of course they have the contacts. One call to KB would have taken care of it. But do you want to know what they did instead? They tweeted back and forth to each other, sent emails, skinned tube sites, and actually "stormed tourists" in Hollywood to protest to them - tourists who do not live in California so they can not vote there - about Measure B. Oh, and they made some stupid YouTube videos that they passed back and forth to each other on twitter and on porn sites. That is the best they could do. But don't fret, they fight continues. More brilliant moves ahead.

I just feel as a Canadian that measure B vote was not publicized at all. The World watch Cali made porn but this law had 0 PR. Or at best, last minute PR. IMHO our industry is to much me myself and I, hence why this failed.

GonZo 11-07-2012 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 19299571)
Why is this industry so anti-condom?

Because it sells less than bareback.

eroticsexxx 11-07-2012 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19299886)
Obviously it passed.

People don't care about "pornographers" and think they are assholes... so any campaign like those I saw by "pornographers" was little more than telling people "do the opposite of what we say and want because as you know, we are asshole... OH! and P.S. Oprah Winfrey, Steve Hirsch has an offer for you to do a bukkake scene" - That's all people read. You are a bunch of dickheads with zero credibility in the eyes of the public. You are scum. You are predators and you are losers. To the public, you are still just a bunch of pimps with gold teeth, unbuttoned shirts, hairy chests preying on runaway teens. Every fucking idiot that got behind the idea to make an appeal on behalf of the industry should be fired from their jobs immediately.

Then there was the fact that there was no single, simple message. "Hope and Change" etc. It was a bunch of unbelievable and nonsensical scare tactics showing people in biohazard suits and direct appeals to consumers (people who could care less) with random, inconsistent messages. Really dipshits? Basic marketing 101. You need a single, simple, clear message that not only resonates with and appeals to the customer but that is instantly credible and believable. You all failed miserably in that department, being the fragmented, individualist, antisocial group of shits that you are. What a shocker.

The issue at hand is simple.

Safety.

You will not win an argument against safety unless you can prove the proposed measure "for" is dangerous. End of story. This is how it works in the real world. This is why we have warnings on hair dryers not to use them while standing in the shower. Get it? There is no argument against warning people and only arguments for, hence the warning.

This business is so full of ineptitude and stupidity, that its difficult at times to even decide where to begin in pointing it out.

One a final note... Uhm.... really? You honestly think that there should be no rules and regulations regarding the spread of contagious and deadly disease in the work place? What fucking planet are you living on where you don't see the government eventually getting involved? Testing is extremely flawed. In what other industry does this happen where safety issues aren't regulated? You can't cook in a kitchen without a hair net... but it should be ok to run around spraying HIV, Hepatitis and everything else all over each others faces? There is no word that describes how retarded you are to think thats how it should be. In fact, a new word will need to be invented to describe the level of stupidity for most of the morons in this biz.

Every single argument you fucking morons have is a losing argument. Testing is flawed. People fake tests/cheat. Models escort. Disease is rampant. Disease affects everyone.. not just the people on the film set. ... and you people are again, proving to the public why you are just a bunch of assholes that should never be trusted or believed and should remain on the fringe.


Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19300011)
For those that want to argue that testing works... you better hope to fucking god that a court doesn't order the release of data showing statistics on how many people the biz are infected with how many diseases.

But then again, that's your destiny anyway because you're too fucking dumb to not only understand the inherent risks in frivolous provocation in conflict but you seek it.

Your enemy owns you.

He's organized
He's motivated
He controls governments
He controls legislators
He has money
He has support
His forces are easily rallied against you and your "cause"

You?

You're just an insignificant 14yr old bully with daddy issues on a street corner trying to tell everyone that you should be able to do what you want, when you want, how you want and throwing up your fists as if you are capable of anything more than misguided bravado.

Your enemy loves that.

When your enemy looks at you, he sees ...

Your forces are fragmented and poorly organized
You're unintelligent
You're predictable
You're selfish and self centered
You're short sighted
You have a very poor concept of your own abilities, capabilities and limitations
You have a very poor concept of how the public percieves you
You're easily provoked
Once provoked, you can be relied on to mind numbingly dumb decisions
You're motivated by the wrong things, and for the wrong reasons
You will never have popular support
You are and always have been, your own worst enemy
You will always be a pimp preying on the weak and ruining lives

Your enemy owns you. He just hasn't made the conscious choice to kill you yet. It will come. It's inevitable. Once they fully grasp how weak and ineffectual you are, you'll be done.

All it takes is one person to lead that charge.

One day, it will happen.

One day, a girl will turn out to be a senators daughter and addict, be doing DP scenes and die on the set of an overdose and the entire industry will be finished. Thats all it will take. Thats how weak you are.

Wow! Pay attention, people!

DAMNMAN 11-07-2012 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams (Post 19299818)
Does this mean blowjobs with a condom

Actually, sort of!!! I'm pretty sure the law requires a dental sam or some such device for oral sex.:helpme

Colmike9 11-07-2012 08:46 PM

I'd use colored and patterned condoms.. Or what about either color matched cock-shaped condoms or some kind of safe paint-on latex?

CyberHustler 11-07-2012 08:50 PM

Like I said long ago, you can push your own condom brands on your sites and show them in action! :pimp

Colmike9 11-07-2012 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 19301469)
Like I said long ago, you can push your own condom brands on your sites and show them in action! :pimp

:thumbsup

Or they could sell ad space on the condoms... :winkwink:

The Ghost 11-08-2012 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 19301244)
I got my start in the sex industry back in the 1960s hustling men off the street into a Belgium strip club. And for the last 40 years I have been quiet producing pornographer. I would not have been around so long if I did not « get it » .

This entire thing is going to eventually collapse and all the big tough macho new kids of the last 5 to 10 years will be gone. Then we will go back to making quiet contacts and porn. The web kids that screamed « adapt or die » are now starting to die. I have seen all of this happen before.

Make a sandwich and enjoy the spectacle.


IMO there's many mistakes are made by guys in the business for the last 10 -30 years who had no idea how to transition online. Whoring out their content to brokers and not policing it AT ALL. Slowly but surely their solid media market has all but shriveled up and died.


A direct quote from a huge player in adult, circa 2000 (to show their mindset)

"the internet is a fad"


Head down, work hard and make something that's worth a shit. Keep up with the times and future technologies. Market and protect accordingly.

SGS 11-08-2012 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ghost (Post 19301892)

A direct quote from a huge player in adult, circa 2000 (to show their mindset)

"the internet is a fad"

I started in adult in 1982 and I have lost count long ago of the amount of times I heard that from the dinosaurs that just didn't get it.

notinmybackyard 11-08-2012 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ghost (Post 19301892)
IMO there's many mistakes are made by guys in the business for the last 10 -30 years who had no idea how to transition online. Whoring out their content to brokers and not policing it AT ALL. Slowly but surely their solid media market has all but shriveled up and died.


A direct quote from a huge player in adult, circa 2000 (to show their mindset)

"the internet is a fad"


Head down, work hard and make something that's worth a shit. Keep up with the times and future technologies. Market and protect accordingly.


My product is not on line. I have examined the issue and I am not going to put it on line. I do not have to because my business is profitable and has been growing since 2007. (Albiet less than 0,5% per year) 40 years of experience and my worst year on record is still 1981 - 1982.

I will not speak for the actual actions of my united states counter-parts save to say that their problems appear to me to be too much of a cowboy attitude and too many people involved in their industry. The Internet just amplified these problems to the maximum.

The Internet is just one medium in which we can deliver our product to our customers. It has some advantages over some of what you call the old fashioned ways. But it also has many disadvantages. Like anything else it is not a one size fits all solution and in my business there are 2 problems 1) file lockers and 2) the gypsies in europe that download from those file lockers and burn and sell my films for 2 euros on the streets. Any online presence would only further amplify these problems.

Technology is unpredictable, unstable, changes in unimaginable ways and both empowers and emboldens unskilled idiots with delusions of grandeur. It is like the snake that eats it's own tail and for this reason alone the Internet can be called a fad. My proof is that 95% of the people on this forum alone are trying to make enough money just to pay their rent. The web kiddies are a dying race and they are dissappearing at a fast increasing rate.

The slogan on the Internet is « adapt or die ». Well that is bullshit. The correct expression is « learn how to look after your own business and stop worrying about trying to keep up with what others are doing or die ». Or as you americains would say * smarten the fuck up or get the fuck out of the way*

NemesisEnforcer 11-08-2012 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ghost (Post 19301892)
A direct quote from a huge player in adult, circa 2000 (to show their mindset)

"the internet is a fad"

I know a couple that said that about DVDs back then and signed their DVD rights away to a 3rd party.

NemesisEnforcer 11-08-2012 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19300011)
You're just an insignificant 14yr old ...

You added 2 years. The saying in the adult industry is, "If you want to keep your sanity, imagine that the person you're working with is 12 years old."

RyuLion 11-08-2012 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xanadu (Post 19299671)
its 56,5-43,5 now at 74% of the votes, maybe the final difference will be even smaller but hard to change the end result, probably it will be 54-46 at the end if it continues with the same rythm(was almost 70-30 in the start....)

sucks to be so close, i am sure if the industry had come together more and act a bit faster, we would have easily avoid it :(

Its not the end of porn of course but a sad day for sure....

Instead of becoming more socially accepted and open more markets for our work/products, we keep being regulated from others on our behalf...

Flacoooooo!!

TheSquealer 11-08-2012 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer (Post 19302109)
You added 2 years. The saying in the adult industry is, "If you want to keep your sanity, imagine that the person you're working with is 12 years old."

What irritates the shit out of me is that a bunch of adults and companies with huge amounts of money (and potential influence if they weren't so inept) got together and mounted the most retarded, ill-conceived effort ever to sway public opinion on a simple ballot measure in a single county of a single state which they all insist is the start of the undoing of an entire billion dollar industry.

It's like watching a group of adults try to put together a Mr Potato Head toy and they are forcing the nose into the ass, have arms where the ears are and 3 idiots are standing around eating the pieces and slobbering all over themselves - at the same time they come at you with this arrogant, condescending attitude that you should be supporting them.

Lets remember what this is. This is legislation to curb the spread of highly contagious and sometimes deadly disease in the work place. You can't be on a construction site without a hard hat (meeting OSHA specs), steel toed boots, jeans, gloves, safety glasses on your person, credentials, etc etc just to pop in and take a piss. But everyone wants to argue that its 100% OK to spray HIV on someones face - IN THE WORK PLACE (which is a highly regulated environment in every state) and really, its just nobodies business.

All of this is why JoeE, Ron Levi, RB et al realized way back when, that they needed to form a group (GIO or whatever they called it) to organize and fight in a meaningful way. Because everyone in this business with rare exceptions, are retarded. Of course, the awesome comedy of that experiment was that concept of throwing a bunch of narcissistic megalomaniacs and coke addicts into a room and expecting meaningful results, either.... ultimately demonstrating they are every bit a part of the problem they believed they were attempting to fight. This is Manwin today. A huge company with the potential to have huge influence. A company where they are obviously focused and have good management. Instead of leading the fight as they should, they do the bare, tax deductible minimum coupled with some self congratulating PR, followed by condescending forum posts.
If this industry can't get together to take on the country of LA and influence voting on a simple ballot measure... then kiss your fucking asses goodbye because the federal government is eventually going to bury you. This industry, its companies and its organizations was just fully exposed for being full of the weak, inept and borderline retarded fucktards that it is.

SGS 11-08-2012 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer (Post 19302109)
You added 2 years. The saying in the adult industry is, "If you want to keep your sanity, imagine that the person you're working with is 12 years old."

:2 cents:

DWB 11-08-2012 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jman (Post 19301283)
I just feel as a Canadian that measure B vote was not publicized at all. The World watch Cali made porn but this law had 0 PR. Or at best, last minute PR. IMHO our industry is to much me myself and I, hence why this failed.

Most of the PR was people in the industry telling other people in the industry, and we all know most of them don't even vote. As you said, very little real visible PR, and what they did have was arguing the wrong message.

I asked a few of my non-porn friends in LA if they had even heard of it, not one of them had, but all agreed that condoms in porn isn't a bad thing if it keeps people safe. It's very difficult to a argue against safety, especially when everyone who has a job has their own safety regulations to deal with.


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