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DWB 11-08-2012 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19302194)

It's like watching a group of adults try to put together a Mr Potato Head toy and they are forcing the nose into the ass, have arms where the ears are and 3 idiots are standing around eating the pieces and slobbering all over themselves - at the same time they come at you with this arrogant, condescending attitude that you should be supporting them.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

As funny and sad as that is, you are 100% correct.

tony286 11-08-2012 08:55 AM

condoms=safe sex has been taught for how long now? 20 yrs. In schools, billboards,tv of course they are going to vote for it.

TheSquealer 11-08-2012 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19302228)
It's very difficult to a argue against safety, especially when everyone who has a job has their own safety regulations to deal with.


This is the comedy of the discussion/issue. It's like a bunch of dysfunctional ex-con, day care owners (who clearly should not be attracting attention to themselves) arguing that children in their care should be able to play with loaded handguns and then are genuinely confused and upset that people are saying "uhm... hey, lets at least unload the weapons". Their response?... "hey man, first they take away the kids bullets, next thing you know, they are going to make little kids play in full body armor and combat gear and fake grenades.... is that the world you want to live in???" as if that makes any sense at all to voters.

DWB 11-08-2012 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19302253)
condoms=safe sex has been taught for how long now? 20 yrs. In schools, billboards,tv of course they are going to vote for it.

:2 cents: Even Manwin ran a huge ad on the side of a building in New York and created a website promoting condoms. Lead by example. This is one of those, do as we say, not as we do, situations. They tell everyone else to strap up but don't want to use condoms for themselves. They lose this battle no matter how they want to argue it, and every time some dumb whore makes ignorant comments on twitter about, it just digs the whole a little deeper.

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19302323)
This is the comedy of the discussion/issue. It's like a bunch of dysfunctional ex-con, day care owners (who clearly should not be attracting attention to themselves) arguing that children in their care should be able to play with loaded handguns and then are genuinely confused and upset that people are saying "uhm... hey, lets at least unload the weapons". Their response?... "hey man, first they take away the kids bullets, next thing you know, they are going to make little kids play in full body armor and combat gear and fake grenades.... is that the world you want to live in???" as if that makes any sense at all to voters.

And in the process they beg for money to support their cause.

notinmybackyard 11-08-2012 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer (Post 19302079)
I know a couple that said that about DVDs back then and signed their DVD rights away to a 3rd party.

Well this obviously comes back to what I was saying about too much of a cowboy attitude.

Business is never about technology, unless of course your business is selling technology.

Technology is nothing more than a tool and like any tool should only be employed when it is the right tool to get the job done. And in business that job is to make the highest return on your investement. Possesion of or utilisation of a certain type technology is not a guarrante of profit and success. Give a monkey a harmer and all you will get is a headache. Give the average man some naked pictures and an Internet connection and at the end of the day all you have is probably another monkey and not a pornographer.

It amazes some people to find out that I still sell between 5 to 20 VHS units with each product released. I have got customers that have purchased from me for years and the equipment to make a VHS cassette is in my garage. It does not take too much effort for me at the end of my day to make them a special copy for those that want it. I once offered to buy a customer a DVD player and he refused. But he buys regularly and sends me 35$ plus postage for a cassette. So whatever their reasons for wanting VHS is not my concern. All I need to know is that I earn between 175$ and 700$ for about 30 minutes of my time.

Porn is not for the weak or the stupid.

It is a business with unique problems and risks. Only knowledge, experience and intelligence can overcome those challenges. Like jumping out of an airplane is risky but is moderately safe with training, practice or checking your equipement before getting on the plane. On the other hand a monkey is someone that comes into possession of plane and jumps without even a parachute. Unfortunately for the porn industry everyone with a penis thinks he can be a pornographer.

JP-pornshooter 11-08-2012 12:00 PM

Measure B is not just requirement for condoms, it requires dental dam.
Basically any orifice must be protected from fluid transfer.
I guess a HJ scene would be ok..
And yes permits required, and considering how many companies are currently pulling permits, I am sure the county of LA will not be making any money on this venture.
LA county have achieved to regulate themselves out of the business.
BTW, I have no problem shooting condom scenes (or watching), it is the other parts which are essentially impossible to comply with.

NemesisEnforcer 11-08-2012 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 19302440)
Well this obviously comes back to what I was saying about too much of a cowboy attitude.

Business is never about technology, unless of course your business is selling technology.

Technology is nothing more than a tool and like any tool should only be employed when it is the right tool to get the job done. And in business that job is to make the highest return on your investement. Possesion of or utilisation of a certain type technology is not a guarrante of profit and success. Give a monkey a harmer and all you will get is a headache. Give the average man some naked pictures and an Internet connection and at the end of the day all you have is probably another monkey and not a pornographer.

It amazes some people to find out that I still sell between 5 to 20 VHS units with each product released. I have got customers that have purchased from me for years and the equipment to make a VHS cassette is in my garage. It does not take too much effort for me at the end of my day to make them a special copy for those that want it. I once offered to buy a customer a DVD player and he refused. But he buys regularly and sends me 35$ plus postage for a cassette. So whatever their reasons for wanting VHS is not my concern. All I need to know is that I earn between 175$ and 700$ for about 30 minutes of my time.

Porn is not for the weak or the stupid.

It is a business with unique problems and risks. Only knowledge, experience and intelligence can overcome those challenges. Like jumping out of an airplane is risky but is moderately safe with training, practice or checking your equipement before getting on the plane. On the other hand a monkey is someone that comes into possession of plane and jumps without even a parachute. Unfortunately for the porn industry everyone with a penis thinks he can be a pornographer.

I stopped in an adult store recently and saw that they had porn on VHS and was buying used VHS porn from consumers. The store had a nice thing going on. You put your used VHS tape in the bin and you have the choice of getting $1.00 for it or take another out of the bin in return. If you didn't have a tape to trade, you paid anywhere from $3.99 to $7.99 to buy a used one.

I asked the store owner about his system and he responded by telling me that a lot of truck drives still have VHS players in their rigs. It serves the purpose of getting them off when they are on those long and lonely trips.

epitome 11-08-2012 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GonZo (Post 19301326)
Because it sells less than bareback.

The gay side disputes your claim.

NemesisEnforcer 11-08-2012 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19302345)
:2 cents: Even Manwin ran a huge ad on the side of a building in New York and created a website promoting condoms. Lead by example. This is one of those, do as we say, not as we do, situations. They tell everyone else to strap up but don't want to use condoms for themselves. They lose this battle no matter how they want to argue it, and every time some dumb whore makes ignorant comments on twitter about, it just digs the whole a little deeper.

Apart from publicity, I took it as one of those safe-sex message that we used to put at the beginning of the videos. However, the reason we did that was to put us in a position to say that our product is not without redeeming social value, therefore, not obscene. The message, here are 2 minutes of what to do followed by 2 hours of what not to do. :upsidedow

DWB 11-08-2012 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19302710)
The gay side disputes your claim.

I produce hetro, shemale, and gay content and agree with you 100%. My biggest money makers were shemale and gay content with condoms. It always outsold the hetro content without condoms.

Wicked shoots condom only and they do fine while all the studios around them selling non-condom movies are dying a slow and painful death and licensing their movies to the same mega-tube owner who says condoms will hurt sales and is dumping a ton of money to fight the bill. :upsidedow

epitome 11-08-2012 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19302746)
I produce hetro, shemale, and gay content and agree with you 100%. My biggest money makers were shemale and gay content with condoms. It always outsold the hetro content without condoms.

Wicked shoots condom only and they do fine while all the studios around them selling non-condom movies are dying a slow and painful death and licensing their movies to the same mega-tube owner who says condoms will hurt sales and is dumping a ton of money to fight the bill. :upsidedow

Yup, I should have mentioned tranny, too... but I do not know that market. At all.

(Which is why I laugh when people try to group tranny and gay together)

DWB 11-08-2012 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer (Post 19302740)
Apart from publicity, I took it as one of those safe-sex message that we used to put at the beginning of the videos. However, the reason we did that was to put us in a position to say that our product is not without redeeming social value, therefore, not obscene.

The message, here are 2 minutes of what to do followed by 2 hours of what not to do. :upsidedow

I remember lots of DVDs having those, but I never put them in mine. "Do as we say, not as we do." In theory it sounds good, but in reality it really doesn't fly, especially like you say, 2 minutes of telling them to wrap it up followed by 2 hours of not wrapping it up.

SGS 11-08-2012 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer (Post 19302694)
I stopped in an adult store recently and saw that they had porn on VHS and was buying used VHS porn from consumers. The store had a nice thing going on. You put your used VHS tape in the bin and you have the choice of getting $1.00 for it or take another out of the bin in return. If you didn't have a tape to trade, you paid anywhere from $3.99 to $7.99 to buy a used one.

I asked the store owner about his system and he responded by telling me that a lot of truck drives still have VHS players in their rigs. It serves the purpose of getting them off when they are on those long and lonely trips.

That started here all over in the mid 80's and still goes on now.

SGS 11-08-2012 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19302746)
I produce hetro, shemale, and gay content and agree with you 100%. My biggest money makers were shemale and gay content with condoms. It always outsold the hetro content without condoms.

Wicked shoots condom only and they do fine while all the studios around them selling non-condom movies are dying a slow and painful death and licensing their movies to the same mega-tube owner who says condoms will hurt sales and is dumping a ton of money to fight the bill. :upsidedow

We only shoot hetro but have never ever shot without condoms.

NemesisEnforcer 11-08-2012 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19302746)
I produce hetro, shemale, and gay content and agree with you 100%. My biggest money makers were shemale and gay content with condoms. It always outsold the hetro content without condoms.

Wicked shoots condom only and they do fine while all the studios around them selling non-condom movies are dying a slow and painful death and licensing their movies to the same mega-tube owner who says condoms will hurt sales and is dumping a ton of money to fight the bill. :upsidedow

Actually, after the Darren James incident, all the companies that declared that they were condom only ended up going to a condom optional position. There sales were impacted. Basically, it had to do with supply and demand. If you're doing condom in hetero and no other companies are doing it your sales will suffer.

When I see shemale and gay content, I expect to see condom because that's what virtually all the producers do, nothing else really available if I want to see that genre.

NemesisEnforcer 11-08-2012 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SGS (Post 19302765)
That started here all over in the mid 80's and still goes on now.

Yes, that was due to the Meese Commission attack on pornography in the 80s. In the US producers went so far as to put a label on the product stating that it was for "educational purposes only".

notinmybackyard 11-08-2012 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19302746)
I produce hetro, shemale, and gay content and agree with you 100%. My biggest money makers were shemale and gay content with condoms. It always outsold the hetro content without condoms.

Wicked shoots condom only and they do fine while all the studios around them selling non-condom movies are dying a slow and painful death and licensing their movies to the same mega-tube owner who says condoms will hurt sales and is dumping a ton of money to fight the bill. :upsidedow

Masturbation is the desperate act of a very lonely person.

Having said that I produce 2 gay lines and they are all condom and I have no complaints about the sales. But there is a very different dynamique with gay / bi males. I can only speculate that for them it is less of an aid for masturbation and more of a prelude to something they are capable of actually having in real life. Whereas in the hétéro community the men are using porn as a replacement fantasy for a real person.


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