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Excellent post. Actually we would all be better off if the 10th amendment was properly enforced. The fact is that the larger the population and area that a central government controls, the less representative it becomes. If you show up with 100,000 people to protest at the state government, you can really make a difference, if you show up with 1,000,000 people at the federal government, they hardly notice that you were there. We would all be better off if this was just a loose confederation of states that each had soverenty and we could chose from the state that most matched our own wishes and viewpoints, a "free market" of states, if you will. This was the purpose of the 10th amendment, but it was eroded down to nothing at this point. . (FIDDY STATES SUCCEEDING.....) :) . |
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Do you somehow think that smaller states run by smaller government can't have a banking system that works? . |
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:winkwink: This is nothing more than yet another temper tantrum from the far right. |
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The problem here is this isn't about Texans whom very proud of their state & their country.. but rather this is just another ploy from the far right trying to once again divide the nation because they don't get a bottle every time they cry. |
We are now up to 27 states with petitions...Edit looks like its going to 30...lol
Delaware California Ohio Nevada Pennsylvania Arizona Oklahoma Arkansas South Carolina Georgia Missouri Tennessee Michigan New York Colorado Oregon New Jersey North Dakota Montana Indiana Mississippi Kentucky Florida North Carolina Alabama Texas Louisiana http://www.theblaze.com/stories/27-s...fter-election/ |
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Texas can leave the US today and they still won't have the government they want - Because everyone believes in different things, wants different things, and has different needs from their governments. |
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Of course. No government will accurately reflect a persons views on EVERY single issue. But there are two points to that. One is that if the states would have the powers guaranteed by the 10th amendment, then you could "vote with your feet" much more effectively in moving to the state that most reflects your own world view without having an over-reaching federal government that removed the choices. I feel quite safe in saying that people in a given geographic area have much more similar priorities than across a whole continent. What is important to people in Montana is not the same as what is important to people in New York..... Or DC for that matter. Also, your personal ability to create change in your own government is far higher on the state level than on the federal level, since a smaller number of people reflect a far higher percentage of the constituency for state legislators than they do for the feds. Like I said earlier, 100,000 people at the state level, protesting about an issue, cannot be ignored by the state government, but 1,000,000 or more at the federal level are routinely ignored by federal legislators. .:2 cents: . |
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And yes Texas has this right. So if they wanna get a divorce thay can. Supposedly. One thing though......... anyone who signed that thing should never speak of patriotism to the united states again. One little thing doesn't go their way and they are ready to kill the country over it. (Maybe they think it's a big thing... whatever....) It's easy to destroy what we have in the US and it takes hard work to keep this experiment called democracy going. (Politicians are killing it slowly as money as it is) I didn't want Florida to Seceed when Bush stole the election............ He was a serious cunt. (Worse than Obama........... Oh but he wasn't a black guy. NOW I GET IT!!!!) |
These are getting close too
Georgia has 20,931 Louisianna has 29.000 Tennesse has 19, 870 Recount the election has 39,338 lol In all seriousness though what effect would this have on the US if states started to break away and become independent |
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As for people saying that Texas uses more federal money than it brings in...on MotherJones (the liberal bible of the internet) it says that Texas is one of the LOWEST in that category. It puts in far more than it gets back. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ng-charts-maps And one other thing...talking about Texas having a military. They already have a state militia. And it will only ever be used for emergencies like hurricanes. Texas will never have to defend itself in a war. lol Nobody is going to invade Texas. And if they did, the U.S. would defend it...just like we would if China attacked Mexico for some crazy ass reason. Texas could definitely go out on it's own. It's oil rich, has a huge ocean front. Plenty of agriculture. But again...they will not be allowed to leave the Union. Texas is far too valuable to the U.S. |
By the way liberals....
The NUMBER ONE STATE FOR LIVING ON THE "FEDERAL TEAT" is New Mexico. They use $2.63 for every dollar they pay in. And New Mexico is a "blue state" That too, is directly from Mother Jones. BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA! (when I say "liberals" I mean Democrats. I'm way more socially liberal than a dozen Democrats put together. ) |
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This is about a group of shrinking demographics trying to make statement that the system no longer represents them. A system that also happens to be moving closer towards many of the viewpoints shared by the rest of the civilized world. While these voices are the tip of the iceberg, it is a melting iceberg with no cold weather in site. Blue and Red states are just shockingly obvious to look at. Blue states are contact points with the world at large. Every person is different. But it's hard to argue that your average North Dakotan has the breadth or depth of the world that your average New Yorker does. That's ok, that is the world he or she cares about, but it is still a limited view in an increasingly global community. I don't think Americans are lazy and change is happening. The GOP is mortally wounded right now and it will take the better part of a decade for them to pivot. The bigger chunk of America did vote, and they are changing. They are only lazy if they are changing in the way you and a minority of people want it to. If that is so, then you bitterness is clear. |
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Hell there was a school in Texas a few months back that was in the news because they had had just built a stadium for their high school football team that could seat 18k people (and cost 60 mil btw). 25k is a drop in the bucket.. Get 50-60% of a State's "confirmed" residents and not just some online signature then we talk. :winkwink: |
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BUT...I've been to New York many, many times. I'd say that the "average" New Yorker has less "world view" than the average North Dakotan! lol Now the elite of New York have a very big world view. But once you leave the nice areas of New York City you are dealing with people who fight over a city block for God's sakes. They are far, far from being jet setting, knowledgeable people in those areas. And even in the "safe" areas of New York City...I wouldn't say the guy selling me a hot dog or slinging a beer at the bar knows anything about what's going on in this world other than the Yankees, Giants, and Jets. |
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Even the hot dog guy in New York has experiences from people from all over the world. That is important. I had a relative in the mid-west tell me about the "Taliban" they saw at the grocery store, she was terrified. I know she isn't a complete idiot, however I also know that what she saw could have been anything ranging from a Buddist monk to a Hasidic Jew to a Indian Sikh. She wouldn't know the difference. I am ok for her to vote for her city council people, the people who will chose the order of the floats for the fourth of July parade, but to be honest I don't feel super comfortable with her voting for the president. |
Texas would almost certainly be hit with very tough Iran-style trade sanctions with the US, EU and most of their allies. They would be essentially cut off from international trade and banking and would have to develop their own domestic industries from scratch and rely solely on their domestic Texas market and resources.
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Air traffic control is paid for by airports out of funds they receive from airlines. The airlines charge passengers to cover fuel, airplane costs, employee salaries and all the various fees they pay for things like air traffic control and people to load / unload baggage. Even the radar and other equipment used at each airport is paid for by that airport from local fund sources. Where did you get the idea that State Income Taxes have anything to do with Federal budgets, anyway>? State income taxes remain within the budgets for those states and have no impact at all on any funding collected from the Federal government. The closest you can even get to Federal money going to states would be Defense spending. Even the favorite example of highway funding is complete BS. The huge amount of taxes you pay for gasoline is supposed to be earmarked to pay for roads / highways. The Federal government is a business. It takes in far more money than it pays out despite all the song and dance BS they give you about the national debt. That debt is an artificial creation of a group of private banks who managed to take over the issuance of currency from the government. They don't do it as a charity, believe that shit. I think you'd be really surprised how little money actually comes back from the Federal government to the public. Most of your tax dollars go to mandatory entitlements (social security, welfare, etc). Even if you move to the UK and renounce your citizenship you can still collect your SSI, retirement, etc from the US govt. Check into it if you don't believe me. The rest of the majority of taxes collected go to the Federal Reserve banks to service the interest on the national debt. The truth is that some States in this country could actually become stand alone countries and the taxes paid by the public would still be less for the same or more benefits than they currently pay to the IRS. |
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They are legally asking to secede (they won't be allowed to by the way). And if they did, they would be the closest ally in the world to the U.S. They didn't say they were declaring war. lol |
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Texas would not be a terribly important ally. What do they offer in return? Nothing. They ironically would be offer more to China and Russia. So much for escaping the socialists. The whole conversation is silly anyways but it's fun to talk about and speculate I guess. |
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Even if it did, I would assume that people living there would still have dual citizenship. I don't even think there would be a national "border" between us. As for what does Texas have to offer...OIL! And giant access to the Gulf Of Mexico, gas refineries, and ocean oil rigs. |
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You are acting like with the snap of a finger's suddenly all of the people in Texas turn into lizards... I don't see Johnny in this thread yet, so let's try to keep the lizards out of it. Plus, Texas has a lot of resources, has a great bit of control over the energy industry, and a massive connection to Mexico. Despite what people like to think about Mexico, a lot of money flows through that border every day in trade. Without the large border, trucks will be forced to go around, increasing shipping costs dramatically and causing quite the headache for New Mexico. |
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I didn't bother telling them the already high Property taxes had increased by over 410% in only 4 years time. Would hate to tell them the Texas "No State Income Tax" compares poorly with California's Old Prop 13 Fixed Property Value. |
Interestingly enough I was just looking it up and in 2000 after Bush won the election 20 different states filed the petition to secede. It looks like the same group of people petition after every election.
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What does it take for one of the these petitions, twenty-five thousand? There's twenty-five fucking million people in Texas. It's safe to say that twenty-five thousand of them are legally mentally retarded. |
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As for those questioning what would happen with the Soldiers and Federal employees.
Soldiers have an enlistment contract with the U.S. Government. Their contract would not be voided by their States secession. They could offer to resign and walk away from their accumulated pension and benefits, I suppose. Would our government allow a low ranking Officer or Enlisted man to resign? Especially as fast as we are currently cycling troops through Combat tours? Probably not unless the person was close to hitting 20 years and making their pension. Federal employees would be in a different conundrum. Their offices / facilities would be closed or relocated. They either seek a transfer and relocate, or are laid off. As for the Mother Jones map. I have to think it must exclude the Defense budget, because there are way too many major military bases in Texas. Six major Air Force bases, four major Army Bases and three Naval Air Stations. Every Airman in the Air Force goes through Lackland AFB for Basic Training. All Medical personnel go through Fort Sam Houston for advanced training for 3 months up to 2 years. Every Artilleryman or Missile Tech goes through Fort Bliss. Plus Bliss and Fort Hood have full Divisions stationed there. Then we have all the GS and Civilian contract jobs associated with all those military bases. I'm baffled how they came to these results? Almost forgot to mention. The polling data showed the secession movement could not obtain a majority in Texas. But Oklahoma was still willing for us to give Texas back to Mexico. |
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