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I'll deny you your holocaust every time.
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I love it when people simply refuse to believe anything they didn't personally witness. The universe started when they were born. We'll all be fucked obviously when they die because without them to personally witness us all, we'll no longer exist.
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wow, i actually found better things to do than worry about it... like counting sand
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They lay it on thick for sure JohnnyClips.
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History is not written by authority figures. If you had ever studied anything at a serious level you would know this. There might be an official version released at the time, but this is revised as historians look into the events with the benefit of hindsight and by using the benefit of the passage of time. A historian looks at all the available evidence, not just the official version of events. They then try to dicipher, through the fog of vested interests and partial truths, what actually happened, not what an official account stated, but what actually happened, why it happened, and why certain figures reported events in the way they did. :2 cents: |
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No you silly boy. Historians pick apart the official versions. The historians job is to work out if the official version is accurate, and if not why not; and if the official version is not accurate, was in intentionally not accurate. Then if a case can be made for the official version of events to be considered inaccurate, the historian has consider why this would be so. Who wrote it, what did they have to gain, did the lie succeed etc. But as I said before, you would know this if you had an education. :2 cents: |
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Correct Johnny, and people who know considerably more about those events then you are in agreement about the basic facts surrounding those events. 1. Nazis Germany set out to eliminate the Jewish race in the countries that they occupied during WWII. This is not opinion it is fact. It is well documented ( by the Nazis ), there are first hand witness accounts by the thousand, and some of the leaders of the Nazi party and their allies confirmed this by voluntarily pleading guilty in the war crime trials that followed. You can dispute the numbers murdered, but the basic premise is only disputed by those with a very extreme political outlook. 2. 9/11 was a terrorist plot carried out by Muslim Fundamentalists. Their group was heavily influenced by Al Queda and Osama Bin Laden. There are elements of this explanation that "truthers" argue suggests this is not the case, ( the third building, the demolition theory, etc ) but when you consider all of the evidence rationally these points do not have enough weight to convince me that the official version is not broadly correct. ( the alternative that their was some Bush/CIA/Jewish plot to fly planes into buildings just does not have any credible evidence to support it. ) So Johnny, because the official version in both cases is still considered to be valid, does it automatically mean that they are lies ? Or does it mean it is actually your world view that should be ridiculed ? :2 cents: |
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When they downgraded the murdercount of auschwich from 4 million to 1.5 million the 6 million also remained. What about the hundreds of thousends of eye witness accounts that where proven frauds or otherwise unvalid? Like german generals testimonials that at least 25 million jews were killed? What about the false claims and "evidence" in the kangaroo nurenberg trials? Lamps made of jewskin ehhh goatskin after testing. Soap made of gassed jews ........ |
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Bury my heart at Wounded Knee Not an official history. Eric Hobsbawn, historian and communist will give you a radical version NOT official version of history. Globalistion Democracy and Terrorism The powerful do not need to fake and create false total histories as people are too lazy to read books. Thats how it works by fooling most of the people not all of them. Part of controlling people is also creating and propagating false and stupid theories... |
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The figure of six million comes from rough estimates of Jewish populations before and after the war. People that deny the holocaust always get hung up on the figures. if the figures were revised downwards to 5, 4, 3, 2 million is it no longer heinous genocide ? In a way Johnny is less of a problem here. He does not believe because he does not believe anything exists unless it suits his anti establisment dogma. However those that wish to reinforce their racism by calling the holocaust a fraud are the dangerous ones. :2 cents: |
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In europe you can get jailed for a decade for saying that maybe not 6 million but only 3 million jews got killed in the war among 40+ million europeans. So if you ask something but you can not even provide a defenition your whole thread is wortless. You seem to think you know everything have you ever seen all the tapes of the nurenberg trials? Have you compared those trials with international court rules? What about the 4 million german soldiers starved to death in the eisenhouwers deathcamps AFTER the war had ended? What about Nuclair bombs on civilian cities? What about the firebombing of Dresden 500 000 thousend civilian refugees murderred. What about the hundreds of thousends civilians executed by the americans, british and russians? And then we not even talking about the massive widescale rape of civilian girls in europe by americans and russians. |
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Yeah, I've read that. Heart-breaking (Bury My Heart...) book. I also read the later books. Ex-US Army officer and his partner wrote them. Kim Brown I want to say? Read those and you will come to despise US Gov as I do. It's true. Most people are sheep who do not want to know the facts. The lies will suffice as long as their master pays them on Friday. Its an old sad story. |
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Sadly, there's a lot of evidence that Patton was an anti-Semite himself, though he chose a Jew to write his official biography and his personal secretary was Jewish. I won't even comment on the rest of the utter crap in this thread typed by racist losers who woudn't even be fit to serve in anybody's army. |
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I watched the film! It was great! |
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yeah i love that movie, George C Scott was brilliant in it - most of the people who knew Patton said he nailed it, though Patton's own voice was higher. Patton also was much more profane in real life than in the movie. A larger than life character.
A few years ago a book came out that purported that Patton's freaky death was an assasination - killed by an OSS(CIA) assassin with the involvement of the KGB. Patton was an angry bastard, after the war ended in Europe he wanted to be sent to the Pacific - the guy just loved being in the middle of the action, they gave him the job of running occupied Germany/Bavaria, not a job a man like Patton wanted. The story goes that Patton was going to blow the whistle on his higher ups including Eisenhower. He also wanted to continue the war and defeat Stalin, he hated Stalin more than Hitler. The conspiracy theory has some interesting facts/hypotheses but none of them have been really proven. His car accident was a very strange way for somebody like him to die. |
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there are dissident voices in a space created by struggle by opponents of the system. There are alternative historians,newspapers, blogs and activists. The difference between the Germans killed and the Jews and solders killed is who started the war and why. The fascist racist powers launched aggressive imperialist wars of conquest treating their opponents is sub human. All the other countries, although not perfect, tried to stop war. Patton had mad views about being reincarnated, was a racist, and beat his own shell shocked soldiers. He would have been more at home fighting with the Germans. |
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We Zionist Jews really need to get our shit together and start using all of these media outlets, (that we control), to get out the message about Hamas attacking Israel a little bit better, don't you think? And then, all those crazy instances of anti-semitism in Eastern Europe, also ignored by the Jewish/Zionist US media? I really need to call my local branch of the "Protocols of Zion" committee. Since we control all this media, we REALLY need to start doing a better job of getting the word out! :warning. . |
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I do not question the holocaust(It HAPPENED), I only ask you guys .. why are we only talking about 10% of the total casualties? Do you know there where around 60 millions casualties .. in witch 24 millions where Soviet Union loss? Why we don't talk about Poles? gypsies? Chinese?
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That's why the media doesn't publicize it. It wants to portray it as a fringe minority belief than can easily be managed and marginalized. |
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Wrong again Johnny. A historian looks at all of the available evidence, official and otherwise. It is the historians duty to investigate the validity of the official version of events. Why do you think that the politicians and generals from WWI are so roundly despised and mocked for their ridiculous ans murderous policies ? The official version at the time was completely different. The official version was as far from the truth as you could imagine. It is the revision that historical study gives us that brought out the real truth. It was Historical study of all of the evidence that showed us the cowardice and monumental stupidity that sent millions of young men to their pathetic miserable deaths. It is The rigour of historical investigation that brought out the actual truth. So your theory holds no water whatsoever. However WWII and the holocaust is the most studied event in all of history. No other period has been investigated by more poeple in such details. Libraries full of books have been written, mountains of documents have been studied. And then you Johnny dismiss the whole thing with a shake of your stupid head because you have an unfailing dogma which explains everything for you. Dont you see who is the one with the closed mind here Johnny ? The one who cannot think for himself ? The one who is brainwashed ? You have the same dogmatic answer for everything - but it not something you even thought of yourself ! Do you really not see the irony ? :helpme |
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Not because it suits my ideology. There is a big difference. |
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And BTW, why does it even matter what the ideology or motivation of the historian is, if what they uncover turns out to be factually correct? |
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But the difference is the Jews were intentionally targeted. It's mind blowing that a military power can choose and pick one race and attempt to dispose of them either by moving them, forcing them into harsh manual labor until they die, starving them to death, or just outright killing them. Imagine if the local police come to your house because of your nationality, arrest you and your entire family by force, and take you to be locked up in prison or worse to be killed. You did nothing wrong, but that's irrelevant - You have been sentenced to death just because of your nationality. And it wasn't only Jews either. My grandmother's entire family was Polish, and her entire family was singled out and murdered and their house burned to the ground. They didn't have the luxury of going to a prison camp or even straight to the gas chambers; They were killed on the spot in their house - mother, father, brothers, and sisters. My grandmother was the only one who lived and by the end of the war she had moved to the US. |
^ You spend two paragraphs trying to disagree with him, then finish by making exactly the fucking point he made, because you happened to remember non-Jewish people in your family were victims. :Oh crap
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The people who revise and deny the holocaust are not "alternative historians" they are not historians at all, they are fascists lying about the past.
They ignore the evidence and lie about facts that all real historians agree upon, historians from every political view point (except fascist ) The Jews communists homosexuals, Russians, Poles did not vanish into thin air, they were murdered in an industrial murder factory during a war German, Italian and Spanish fascist waged on the World from 1930 on wards. The camps are still there, the gas cambers too, I have seen them with my own eyes, I have met the survivors, I met the first cameraman who shot the footage in Belson concentration camp. The Germans denied when it was happening, they were made to look and forced to admit the truth. We owe it to the victims that we do not let the truth be distorted by the very murderers who did the crime. |
^ Spain didn't wage war on anyone in WWII.
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Early evidence begins in the late 20's with Mein Kampf, the rise of National Socialism, the Stormtroopers, the street battles against the communists. The Nazis begin to have some democratic success and Hitler eventually becomes chancellor. Throughout this period his speeches and writing are filmed and widely reported in German and foreign press. His anti semitism is a central part of the political narrative. The first concentration camp is opened within weeks of Hitler taking office. Then as soon power is cemented via imprisonment and murder of his rivals the lot of the Jews of europe takes significant turn for the worse. The Nuremberg laws remove Jews from positions of authority and ban them from owning property. After the invasion of Poland and the outbreak of war the Jewish problem becomes acute for the Nazi leadership. The sheer numbers of Jews they are encountering in the conquered territories of the east (5m in Poland alone) drives them to increasingly barbourous acts. Commando groups are formed from particularly ardent anti semitic members of the SS, they roam the villages of Eastern Europe murdering whole communities wherever they find Jewish settlements. However this policy is slow and inefficient. A final solution is required. The Warsaw ghetto is emptied and the wholesale industrial murder is now in full flow. I could go on. Everything above is documented by the Nazis themselves. In their own newspapers and Nazi propaganda news films. Nothing is denied or challenged. Eye witness accounts are available. The body of evidence is enormous including the documents and official orders that detail the costs of transport and disposal of the Jews, and the expected return from the theft of their goods, clothes, hair, and teeth. So I have no ideological axe to grind. But I know what my eyes tell me. I know that huge numbers of Jews perished at the hands Nazi Germany. The dogs in the street know this. :2 cents: |
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So then kindly provide me the evidence of gasschambers. I have to remind you that eyewitness account are no evidence in any court of law without additional evidence. All the "gaschambers" that are shown these days are built AFTER the war. And for someone who can not even give the defenition of "The Holocaust" yuo have a big mouth but can not even give a defenition of something you claim to have evidence. |
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Show some of this orders from the nazis where they send jews to be gassed please i like to see them i have been searchng for years and years but can not find anything else then unspecific claims like yours. You talk about evidenc but can not show anything where is the disconect? Do you know there are curently also 5 million sets of civilian closes stored in americnan jails... not because they are gonna be killed by dear but just because they have to wear prison clothing. |
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History is not just about "broad theories", it's about details. People still believe in soap and lampshades to this day. Why is it desirable that people still believe something that is a lie? The Holocaust was a terrible enough event without needing ridiculous myths to 'support' it. Why is it acceptable to examine and discuss the numbers of people killed in every other event in history, but not the Holocaust? You said yourself "large" numbers of Jews died. Who is denying that? Quote:
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So many such events have taken place, but we only hear about them if they're of use politically
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Bombing of totaly civilian city of dresden where all the refugees fled because it had no army targets.
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"Liberator" churchil wanted to poisongass many mny millions of german civilians:
I should be prepared to do anything [Churchill's emphasis] that would hit the enemy in a murderous place. I may certainly have to ask you to support me in using poison gas. We could drench the cities of the Ruhr and many other cities in Germany ..., and if we do it, let us do it one hundred per cent. —Winston Churchill, 'Most Secret' PRIME MINISTER'S PERSONAL MINUTE to the Chiefs of Staff, 6 July 1944[4] |
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Show you the evidence ? Where to start, well I suppose that any decent sized library would be a good place to start. But if you want more in depth information university libraries would be better. Now I am not saying that you must believe every word, but I am sure that you will be able to cross reference the evidence, and then check out the official archives that are quoted and refered to. Tell me what would it take for you to believe ? Would you tell me that an official Nazi document was forged ? Would you tell me that nazi propaganda films were actually staged and filmed after the war ? Would you tell me that the Nuremberg laws were made up and forged by the Zionists after the war ? Would you tell me that whatever body of evidence is refered to, that it is all manufactured to support the Jewish/American fraud they call the holocaust ? |
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