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JesseQuinn

11-18-2012 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19319065)

http://3mp1r3.cam500.com/img/boards/...macht_frei.jpg

I personally know three people with numbers tattooed on their arms that swear that this was not one of Hitler's summer camps for Jews, Gypsies, and Communists. One of these people was a Jewish Pole 13 years old when he arrived at Auschwitz his family. He never saw his family again and survived by doing the unthinkable -- he was a very sad man.

My father was in Patton's Third Army, 8th Infantry, medical company. He landed third wave on D-Day, was in the Ardennes (Battle of the Bulge), and helped the liberated concentration camp survivors at Buchenwald concentration camp, near Weimar, Germany.

I heard the stories of what was seen at Buchenwald concentration camp first hand from my father. Anecdotal? There are too many evidential documents and survivors' collaborated testimonies to even claim that the stories are anecdotal. There is proof enough for me.

It is immaterial if 200,000 or 6,000,000 persons of a hated religious heritage were systematically worked to death or exterminated by the Nazis. In any case, this is genocide and a crime against humanity. As for the Jew's Holocaust to take some precedence over other genocides it only does as to the magnitude of the event not in the event's criminality. A genocide of any people should have the same standing of a criminal event.

500,000 died recently in the Rwandan Genocide would you deny that too? 1,400,000 in Pol Pot's Killing Fields -- than didn't happen either? Or maybe, only your own hatred and/or racism could justify your denial of the genocides that you agree with?

Maybe, in today's world we document things better but that would not change the events of the conquests of Genghis Khan or Timur (Tamerlane) and their slaughter of civilians. Mini genocides of peoples but of lesser magnitude than Hitler's Nazi Holocaust's "Final Solution." The records are hearsay but that doesn't mean that the accounts were false -- it was long ago ...

missed this post the first time around...brilliant

:2 cents:

CurrentlySober

11-18-2012 03:36 AM

As the "GhostBusters" said...

I'll believe or deny anything the fuck you want me too...

(Paraphrasing...)

"Provided there is a paycheque at the end of it!"

onwebcam

11-18-2012 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JesseQuinn (Post 19319342)

I agree completely. History is written by the victors, although alternative sources of knowledge written by the oppressed are available.

One holocaust fairytale (that gets thrown around from time to time) that I do deny is the one that claims North American involvement in WWII had anything to do with stopping the slaughter of Jews, Poles, Soviets, Roma and gay people. WWII was a struggle for power, not human rights.

Canadian soldiers fought in WWII, yet our politicians turned away a boatload of Jewish refugees who were fleeing persecution in Europe. They were sent home to their deaths. Even in the post-war period, Canadian immigration policy in relation to Jews was summed up in the phrase "none is too many"

As far as the holocaust itself...I'm not quite sure what there is to deny? The Nazis engaged in the systematic detention and slaughter of anyone who didn't fit their bullshit "Aryan" model. Those camps weren't a fabrication.

While I do concede that 'holocaust denial' as a crime is somewhat unique, on some level I do understand it, in that those narratives are often central to the philosophies of white power movements. Not exactly a sympathetic interest group to lobby any government to take that law off the books.

The academic washout Irving cited above is an excellent example, in that he assisted in the defence of a notorious racist in Canada (Ernst Zundel). When Zundel wasn't busy denying the holocaust he was participating in a white supremacist group called the Heritage Front, which targeted violent and racist propaganda to disaffected white youth. Hell, I'm old enough to remember some of my classmates talking about what they learned about 'mud people' and the Jewish conspiracy on the Heritage Front phone line. David Irving lectured at that group quite often as well. That group is still around, incidentally, although they've tamed themselves considerably.

My point is that holocaust denial often goes hand in hand with racist theory and practise, including the incitement of violence against non-Aryans. On some level it IS bizarre that questioning the holocaust is a crime, but considering the typical motives behind which that denial is espoused, I do understand why that law still exists.

as an aside...I love the irony that Hitler's actions were a large part of the reason why Israel was created. He'd have been so pissed :)

What do you think about the fact Hitler was born Jewish himself?

JesseQuinn

11-18-2012 04:55 AM

^^^lol, that's a great question:)

I'd suggest it's somewhat in keeping with the character of a contrary man who failed at everything he did before he captivated a nation (pretty much looking for a scapegoat post-WWI) with his own neuroses/obsessions?

whether he had Jewish blood or not, he was pretty damn afraid he did (eg: writing Nazi laws to exclude himself from the precepts).

What is known for sure is that he was abused as a child. By his father. That maybe perhaps had Jewish blood. It's not that far a leap to suggest he combined megalomania with his own psychological issues?

pimpmaster9000

11-18-2012 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19318445)

With all the conspiracy idiots and jew haters here i bet there are quite a few.

Come on, i know you want to admit it.

I come from a 3rd world country that was recently involved in 2 wars. I have seen history re-written in a way that you would not believe. I'm not against jews or pro german or what ever....but you can rest assured that history books are accounts of winners and that they do not necessarily have to be entirely true.

Whether more or less jews were killed than the official figures say I honestly don't know but "official history" is made official by the victors of any conflict...

Captain Kawaii

11-18-2012 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by oppoten (Post 19319372)

Those who accept the Holocaust seem to do so on the basis on survivor stories. Those who queston it seem to do so on the basis of media lies.

Almost seems like we're talking about two separate things. I guess people's bias comes down to what they prioritize.

Well in the US, much of the media is controlled by Jewish-Zionists. It is a simple fact. The problem with survivor stories in recent years is that many have been proven to be fabricated or people have directly admitted to have fabricated their tales in order to keep the sympathy train going. I don't know about anyone else but I prioritize TRUTH, which is a rare commodity these days. As it always has been. Rare.

I tend not to believe media or survivor stories but only what I can see. Truth is usually in there somewhere.

Captain Kawaii

11-18-2012 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JesseQuinn (Post 19319342)

Absolutely. People who deny what happened to Jews are usually knuckle-dragging skinheads, AKA, National Front.
Have you seen this site? Its been around for a very long time.
http://jewsnotzionists.org/

helterskelter808

11-18-2012 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JesseQuinn (Post 19319342)

Even in the post-war period, Canadian immigration policy in relation to Jews was summed up in the phrase "none is too many"

How many (non-Jewish) Canadians were admitted to Israel in the post war period?

It wasn't Adolf Hitler who said in 1912, "each country can absorb only a limited number of Jews [...] Germany already has too many Jews", it was Zionist leader Chaim Weizmann.

The first Prime Minister of Israel said in 1938, in the wake of Kristallnacht, "if I knew that it was possible to save all the [Jewish] children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter".

For Zionists, the interests of Jews was, and still is, secondary to the ideology of Zionism.

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My point is that holocaust denial often goes hand in hand with racist theory and practise, including the incitement of violence against non-Aryans. On some level it IS bizarre that questioning the holocaust is a crime, but considering the typical motives behind which that denial is espoused, I do understand why that law still exists.

Then you believe in the same version of 'free speech' as Adolf Hitler. Free speech only for what you deem personally acceptable.

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as an aside...I love the irony that Hitler's actions were a large part of the reason why Israel was created. He'd have been so pissed :)

You only find it ironic because, like most people, you have a superficial grasp of history.

The Nazis in fact worked closely with Zionists, even traveling with Zionists to Palestine and agreeing with Zionists on Palestine as a home for Jews.

Zionism was the only political movement allowed in Nazi Germany other than Nazism, and Zionists were even allowed to fly their own flag (what would become the Israeli flag) in Nazi Germany.

Zionist terrorists in Palestine, such as the Stern Gang, in which Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir was a commander, openly supported and allied themselves with the Third Reich during World War II.

Etc etc etc.

Kolargol

11-18-2012 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19318490)

Why would anyone believe anything that an authority figures says? They don't care about me or you if you haven't figured that out by now and they have an aura of shadiness around them

how about believing people who saw the holocaust ?

Kolargol

11-18-2012 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19319700)

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The Nazis in fact worked closely with Zionists, even traveling with Zionists to Palestine and agreeing with Zionists on Palestine as a home for Jews.

Zionism was the only political movement allowed in Nazi Germany other than Nazism, and Zionists were even allowed to fly their own flag (what would become the Israeli flag) in Nazi Germany.

Zionist terrorists in Palestine, such as the Stern Gang, in which Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir was a commander, openly supported and allied themselves with the Third Reich during World War II.

Etc etc etc.

And your non superficial grasp of history is this???

Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE

11-18-2012 10:10 AM

I'll deny you your holocaust every time.

helterskelter808

11-18-2012 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 19319798)

And your non superficial grasp of history is this???

Are you suggesting what I wrote is untrue or factually incorrect? Feel free to challenge it then. I'll be over here, not holding my breath. The Nazis commemorated their relationship with Zionism; literally two sides of the same coin:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3I0gXJZ6Xm...onist+coin.jpg

PornMD

11-18-2012 11:37 AM

I love it when people simply refuse to believe anything they didn't personally witness. The universe started when they were born. We'll all be fucked obviously when they die because without them to personally witness us all, we'll no longer exist.

2012	11-18-2012 11:38 AM

wow, i actually found better things to do than worry about it... like counting sand

JFK	11-18-2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by PornMD (Post 19319894)

and I love it, how Dirty F can troll people :thumbsup:thumbsup

scottybuzz

11-18-2012 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19319914)

I love how when all the thousands of people come forward about alien abudctions, they are considered "crazy" and "mentally ill" but the few handful of people who come forward about surviving the Holocaust are considered "sane" and "rational" and their stories considered true...because the mainstream media says so

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE

11-18-2012 01:24 PM

They lay it on thick for sure JohnnyClips.

NewNick

11-18-2012 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19318490)

Why would anyone believe anything that an authority figures says? They don't care about me or you if you haven't figured that out by now and they have an aura of shadiness around them

Johnny I have told you this before, I hope you take some notice this time.

History is not written by authority figures. If you had ever studied anything at a serious level you would know this.

There might be an official version released at the time, but this is revised as historians look into the events with the benefit of hindsight and by using the benefit of the passage of time. A historian looks at all the available evidence, not just the official version of events. They then try to dicipher, through the fog of vested interests and partial truths, what actually happened, not what an official account stated, but what actually happened, why it happened, and why certain figures reported events in the way they did.

:2 cents:

NewNick

11-18-2012 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19320104)

A historian only looks at "official" documents, which of course will never incriminate the officials who created them. Duh. "Officialdom" has nothing to do with the truth at all. The official stories come from the people at the top and 99% of the time are complete and utter nonsense

No you silly boy. Historians pick apart the official versions. The historians job is to work out if the official version is accurate, and if not why not; and if the official version is not accurate, was in intentionally not accurate.

Then if a case can be made for the official version of events to be considered inaccurate, the historian has consider why this would be so. Who wrote it, what did they have to gain, did the lie succeed etc.

But as I said before, you would know this if you had an education.

:2 cents:

NewNick

11-18-2012 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19320141)

Then any historian should be able to pick apart what happened on 9/11. A 5 year old could do that, same with the Holocaust and any other "major" event in history

Correct Johnny, and people who know considerably more about those events then you are in agreement about the basic facts surrounding those events.

1.
Nazis Germany set out to eliminate the Jewish race in the countries that they occupied during WWII. This is not opinion it is fact. It is well documented ( by the Nazis ), there are first hand witness accounts by the thousand, and some of the leaders of the Nazi party and their allies confirmed this by voluntarily pleading guilty in the war crime trials that followed.

You can dispute the numbers murdered, but the basic premise is only disputed by those with a very extreme political outlook.

2.
9/11 was a terrorist plot carried out by Muslim Fundamentalists. Their group was heavily influenced by Al Queda and Osama Bin Laden.

There are elements of this explanation that "truthers" argue suggests this is not the case, ( the third building, the demolition theory, etc ) but when you consider all of the evidence rationally these points do not have enough weight to convince me that the official version is not broadly correct. ( the alternative that their was some Bush/CIA/Jewish plot to fly planes into buildings just does not have any credible evidence to support it. )

So Johnny, because the official version in both cases is still considered to be valid, does it automatically mean that they are lies ?

Or does it mean it is actually your world view that should be ridiculed ?

:2 cents:

Frank21

11-18-2012 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19318445)

With all the conspiracy idiots and jew haters here i bet there are quite a few.

Come on, i know you want to admit it.

If you give me the defenition of "The Holocaust" then i can say yes or no.

Frank21

11-18-2012 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 19320185)

This is not correct The Holocaust requires a number of 6 million jewish deaths.
When they downgraded the murdercount of auschwich from 4 million to 1.5 million the 6 million also remained.

What about the hundreds of thousends of eye witness accounts that where proven frauds or otherwise unvalid?

Like german generals testimonials that at least 25 million jews were killed?
What about the false claims and "evidence" in the kangaroo nurenberg trials?

Lamps made of jewskin ehhh goatskin after testing.
Soap made of gassed jews ........

Cherry7

11-18-2012 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii (Post 19318874)

History is written by the winners and TPTB. If anyone cannot get that they need to start from scratch. I think many people deny the inaccuracy of history because they are afraid or deluded or simply uneducated, ignorant, have other interests.

Governments are based on and operate by fabrications that move their agenda forward. Their agenda is set by the powers who put the gov in place. Its not that difficult to understand.

Don't believe me?
Ask the Native Americans.
Ask Africans
Ask, Ask, Ask, "Why"

If you want to read a history of the native Americans..

Bury my heart at Wounded Knee

Not an official history.

Eric Hobsbawn, historian and communist will give you a radical version NOT official version of history.

Globalistion Democracy and Terrorism

The powerful do not need to fake and create false total histories as people are too lazy to read books. Thats how it works by fooling most of the people not all of them.

Part of controlling people is also creating and propagating false and stupid theories...

NewNick

11-18-2012 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank21 (Post 19320200)

Why does the holocaust "require 6 million jewish deaths" ?

The figure of six million comes from rough estimates of Jewish populations before and after the war.

People that deny the holocaust always get hung up on the figures. if the figures were revised downwards to 5, 4, 3, 2 million is it no longer heinous genocide ?

In a way Johnny is less of a problem here. He does not believe because he does not believe anything exists unless it suits his anti establisment dogma. However those that wish to reinforce their racism by calling the holocaust a fraud are the dangerous ones.

:2 cents:

Frank21

11-18-2012 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 19320221)

Thats why i asked you first to provide a defenition of the sentence "The Holocaust".
In europe you can get jailed for a decade for saying that maybe not 6 million but only 3 million jews got killed in the war among 40+ million europeans.

So if you ask something but you can not even provide a defenition your whole thread is wortless.

You seem to think you know everything have you ever seen all the tapes of the nurenberg trials?
Have you compared those trials with international court rules?

What about the 4 million german soldiers starved to death in the eisenhouwers deathcamps AFTER the war had ended?
What about Nuclair bombs on civilian cities?
What about the firebombing of Dresden 500 000 thousend civilian refugees murderred.
What about the hundreds of thousends civilians executed by the americans, british and russians? And then we not even talking about the massive widescale rape of civilian girls in europe by americans and russians.

CaptainHowdy

11-18-2012 03:13 PM

I only deny my very own existence ...

Captain Kawaii

11-18-2012 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 19320217)

Hey.
Yeah, I've read that. Heart-breaking (Bury My Heart...) book. I also read the later books. Ex-US Army officer and his partner wrote them. Kim Brown I want to say? Read those and you will come to despise US Gov as I do.

It's true. Most people are sheep who do not want to know the facts. The lies will suffice as long as their master pays them on Friday. Its an old sad story.

Mutt	11-18-2012 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19319065)

http://3mp1r3.cam500.com/img/boards/...macht_frei.jpg

I personally know three people with numbers tattooed on their arms that swear that this was not one of Hitler's summer camps for Jews, Gypsies, and Communists. One of these people was a Jewish Pole 13 years old when he arrived at Auschwitz his family. He never saw his family again and survived by doing the unthinkable -- he was a very sad man.

My father was in Patton's Third Army, 8th Infantry, medical company. He landed third wave on D-Day, was in the Ardennes (Battle of the Bulge), and helped the liberated concentration camp survivors at Buchenwald concentration camp, near Weimar, Germany.

I heard the stories of what was seen at Buchenwald concentration camp first hand from my father. Anecdotal? There are too many evidential documents and survivors' collaborated testimonies to even claim that the stories are anecdotal. There is proof enough for me.

wow, your father served in Patton's Third Army - he is one of my all time heroes. The Germans feared him and why Patton was a decoy preceding D-Day, the Germans thought Patton was the best Allied commander, feared him and assumed his army would be leading any invasion on the beaches of France. Patton was in England on D-Day, leading an imaginary/fake army made up of inflatable tanks/jeeps/aircraft to fool the Germans, maybe the greatest trickery in modern military history. Patton hated not being involved in the middle of the action on D-Day. The Third Army didn't land at Normandy until August 1st. What Patton and the Third Army did from there is now the stuff of WWII legend. The Third Army broke out of Normandy and "advanced farther, captured more enemy prisoners, and liberated more territory in less time than any other army in history" So fast that the only thing that stopped them was they ran out of gas.

Sadly, there's a lot of evidence that Patton was an anti-Semite himself, though he chose a Jew to write his official biography and his personal secretary was Jewish.

I won't even comment on the rest of the utter crap in this thread typed by racist losers who woudn't even be fit to serve in anybody's army.

scottybuzz

11-18-2012 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 19320320)

I watched the film! It was great!

Captain Kawaii

11-18-2012 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 19320517)

I watched the film! It was great!

LOL. I was thinking the same thing.

Mutt	11-18-2012 09:52 PM

yeah i love that movie, George C Scott was brilliant in it - most of the people who knew Patton said he nailed it, though Patton's own voice was higher. Patton also was much more profane in real life than in the movie. A larger than life character.

A few years ago a book came out that purported that Patton's freaky death was an assasination - killed by an OSS(CIA) assassin with the involvement of the KGB. Patton was an angry bastard, after the war ended in Europe he wanted to be sent to the Pacific - the guy just loved being in the middle of the action, they gave him the job of running occupied Germany/Bavaria, not a job a man like Patton wanted. The story goes that Patton was going to blow the whistle on his higher ups including Eisenhower. He also wanted to continue the war and defeat Stalin, he hated Stalin more than Hitler. The conspiracy theory has some interesting facts/hypotheses but none of them have been really proven. His car accident was a very strange way for somebody like him to die.

DTK	11-18-2012 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 19319533)

This is exactly what so many people fail to realize.

Cherry7

11-19-2012 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DTK (Post 19320761)

This is exactly what so many people fail to realize.

In a dictatorship the rulers control history, in a lot of the capitalist democracies the mass media has a dominant version of events and history BUT.....

there are dissident voices in a space created by struggle by opponents of the system. There are alternative historians,newspapers, blogs and activists.

The difference between the Germans killed and the Jews and solders killed is who started the war and why. The fascist racist powers launched aggressive imperialist wars of conquest treating their opponents is sub human. All the other countries, although not perfect, tried to stop war.

Patton had mad views about being reincarnated, was a racist, and beat his own shell shocked soldiers. He would have been more at home fighting with the Germans.

sperbonzo

11-19-2012 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii (Post 19319563)

Well in the US, much of the media is controlled by Jewish-Zionists. It is a simple fact.

Which is funny, because for months now Hamas has been firing hundreds of rockets into Israel and there has been NOT ONE WORD about it in the US Jewish/zionist controlled media, until Israel started fighting back and people were getting bombed in Gaza.

We Zionist Jews really need to get our shit together and start using all of these media outlets, (that we control), to get out the message about Hamas attacking Israel a little bit better, don't you think?

And then, all those crazy instances of anti-semitism in Eastern Europe, also ignored by the Jewish/Zionist US media? I really need to call my local branch of the "Protocols of Zion" committee. Since we control all this media, we REALLY need to start doing a better job of getting the word out!

:warning.

.

Kolargol

11-19-2012 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 19318905)

BUT what history/jews fails to mention are the MILLIONS of Ukrainian/Russians that were starved/worked to death by the primarily Jewish Russian/Ukrainian secret police just 10 years earlier. Millions of non-Jews were killed, but you'll NEVER hear a Jew own up to that because they are too busy with their, we need sympathy hand out.

All true but the difference is they were not killed because they belonged to a certain nation or religion.

Kolargol

11-19-2012 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19320025)

There is absolutely nothing that I wrote there that is not true

Think about it...

How about coming to Europe and asking those survivors while you still can? BTW, are you they same guy who said few montgs ago that pretty much any school education is worthless?

madko

11-19-2012 10:29 AM

I do not question the holocaust(It HAPPENED), I only ask you guys .. why are we only talking about 10% of the total casualties? Do you know there where around 60 millions casualties .. in witch 24 millions where Soviet Union loss? Why we don't talk about Poles? gypsies? Chinese?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

@sperbonzo - yeah .. it's funny how nothing was out until the USA elections where over

oppoten

11-19-2012 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19321290)

And then, all those crazy instances of anti-semitism in Eastern Europe, also ignored by the Jewish/Zionist US media? I really need to call my local branch of the "Protocols of Zion" committee. Since we control all this media, we REALLY need to start doing a better job of getting the word out!

Anti-semitism (or pro-Europeanism) is widespread in Eastern Europe.

That's why the media doesn't publicize it. It wants to portray it as a fringe minority belief than can easily be managed and marginalized.

helterskelter808

11-19-2012 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19321290)

Other places you won't find Jews, according to Sperbonzo: banking, medicine, law, Synagogues.

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Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 19321397)

All true but the difference is they were not killed because they belonged to a certain nation or religion.

Fuck 'em then, huh?

_Richard_

11-19-2012 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19319065)

http://3mp1r3.cam500.com/img/boards/...macht_frei.jpg

I personally know three people with numbers tattooed on their arms that swear that this was not one of Hitler's summer camps for Jews, Gypsies, and Communists. One of these people was a Jewish Pole 13 years old when he arrived at Auschwitz his family. He never saw his family again and survived by doing the unthinkable -- he was a very sad man.

My father was in Patton's Third Army, 8th Infantry, medical company. He landed third wave on D-Day, was in the Ardennes (Battle of the Bulge), and helped the liberated concentration camp survivors at Buchenwald concentration camp, near Weimar, Germany.

I heard the stories of what was seen at Buchenwald concentration camp first hand from my father. Anecdotal? There are too many evidential documents and survivors' collaborated testimonies to even claim that the stories are anecdotal. There is proof enough for me.

It is immaterial if 200,000 or 6,000,000 persons of a hated religious heritage were systematically worked to death or exterminated by the Nazis. In any case, this is genocide and a crime against humanity. As for the Jew's Holocaust to take some precedence over other genocides it only does as to the magnitude of the event not in the event's criminality. A genocide of any people should have the same standing of a criminal event.

500,000 died recently in the Rwandan Genocide would you deny that too? 1,400,000 in Pol Pot's Killing Fields -- than didn't happen either? Or maybe, only your own hatred and/or racism could justify your denial of the genocides that you agree with?

Maybe, in today's world we document things better but that would not change the events of the conquests of Genghis Khan or Timur (Tamerlane) and their slaughter of civilians. Mini genocides of peoples but of lesser magnitude than Hitler's Nazi Holocaust's "Final Solution." The records are hearsay but that doesn't mean that the accounts were false -- it was long ago ...

lets see some nuke pics of japan!

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