Fool me once...

Hopefully their intel is a little better with Syria than it was with Iraq, but I'm not holding my breath. How could they possibly know Syria is *planning* on using chems on their own people? That is absurd. If they had solid intel like that they would be in there RIGHT NOW. That is, if they really cared about the people.

That said, everyone needs to watch that video posted above of General Wesley Clark. That is a real eye opener. You can argue with uninformed GFY idiots all day long, but none of you can argue facts with a four star general.

nothing he said in that speech is surprising - at the end he is angry about all the troops who are dying - this is precisely why Americans are blase about the US involvement in the Middle East, the number of US deaths has been very low. In Vietnam people would see every night on the network news a casualty/death count and footage of plane loads of coffins coming home. And it enraged people.

there are many who agree with that policy, of bringing as many countries under US influence before the Chinese/Russians do. As I said in an earlier post, there are no good guys in the Middle East, none of their populations are well educated, well treated, prosperous, political/religious rivals are brutally killed etc etc

for me it's only the cost of American lives and the money being spent that is the concern and who is benefiting from the billions being spent.

I do find it rather convenient all this chemical weapon talk at the very same time Clinton is in the middle of (or just left from) a chemical weapon summit.

it's pretty easy to find videos of the 'rebels' using captured soldiers to delivery bombs

they tell the prisoners they're going to be 'set free' then put em in a truck etc

it's a war crime

there is lots of war crimes on the rebels side.. over and over

yet

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The elite bankers in charge of the bucks are certainly benefiting.

Financing armed conflicts is Ideal, and the debt involved is even better.

Chemical weapons are low tech, cheap, and easy to make. (Read the "final battle" chapter of Lucifer's Hammer showing how field expedient mustard gas can be made without equipment and delivered in mason jars with catapaults, any of the volumes of The Poor Man's James Bond by Saxton, or consider how much damage they did using the technology of 1914 or so in WWI).

This is not like building an atomic bomb. (Not all that hard either, just very expensive to do. They were first built using circa 1940, pre-transistsor, radio tube, pre-computer technology by theoretical specialists doing it for the first time, who did not know, to start, how much fissionable mass it took to go critical, how to initiate the first particles to start detonation, what geometry to use, what material to make a particle reflector with, how to place conventional explosives, how to time synchronous explosions, etc. They kept it pretty basic for the first one and it worked. A sawed off howitzer barrel and two hunks of fissionable uranium and a firing mechanism. That's all it took to kill more than 10,000 Hiroshima. The Nagasaki bomb used a Plutonium sphere, more complicated, and worked just hunky-dory, too. All that's been worked out and is known to every advanced physicist in the world; the difficulty is in getting enough ore, in having enough equipment working long enough to produce enough fissionable material in a reasonable time; if you have to make it from scratch, it takes the resources of a nation-state, but not necessarily a big or rich one. Israel, Pakistan, South Africa, and North Korea all pulled it off - and it's rumored that Israel stole its first quantity of fissionable Uranium)

The hard part is using them effectively without killing your own troops - storage and delivery issues. And that's a whole different issue.

In West Germany, during the 80's, we'd go on alert wearing those NBC suits for 24 hours and try to do our jobs. Not comfortable at all. Try connecting the canteen to a tube in your mask to get a drink. Or to read or see in general when the mask fogs up. Or to scratch an itch. I would not envy those Marines on alert off the coast right now in those temperatures.

If Syria wants them, it already has them. It's just not hard at all to do using commonly available chemicals and grade school science lab equipment.

Wow it always amazes me

After the USA lied to the entire world about Iraq and WMD's there are still some people who will believe this new lie.

Sorry but if you beleive this chemical weapons bullshit you are just stupid

On a side note.... notice how the believers are the same members who will come on here and complain about the size of government, government spending, taxes, etc yet somehow don't believe the military is government. must be nice to live in a dream world

Yeah, he sent them over to Syria...

That's a trustworthy website for sure.

I don't think the US is going to invade. I think they are sending a very strong message, but that's about it.

I think the world has changed. People can easily see outside of their country and they see how the rest of the world lives. Propaganda no longer works, and now with the recent changes in the Middle East people know they can over throw their government.

I wonder how much involvement the US has here. Russia as well.

http://rt.com/usa/news/two-new-meningitis-outbreak-513/

this is reporting that there is two more drugs that are connected to this outbreak

if you can find any american newspaper stating the same, we can call RT an 'untrustworthy news source'

i can't.

Here's the sad reality. wehateporn is partially correct, it's propaganda from the western countries about Assad wanting to use chemical weapons. True, he has the capabilities and he might be using it. But hearing my great USA saying it leaves me with deja vu all over again when they ramped up the rhetoric like how we claimed there was WMD in Iraq. Smells the same. No pun intended :1orglaugh It's a precursor for a foreign invasion into Syria and it's going to happen, there is little doubt about it.

But the US and the allies who want to invade Syria is going to find out it's not going to be an easy invasion. Libya had jack all in terms of military strength and even then they had difficulty and it took longer than expected to out gaddafi. gaddafi was a greedy dictator who was more concerned with wealth for himself and he didn't build a good military defense. And yet, he was able to fight a prolonged war which speaks of his good military tactics despite having a very lax military power. It's like a guy who brings a knife to a gun fight. A loss was expected but he kept things interesting being a crafty guy until his demise.

Syria and Assad on the other hand is one bad dude who knew this day would inevitably come and thus he prepared for it. He stockpiled tons of high grade military equipment, radar defenses which he bought from Russia and China, not to mention in the black market. Fighting him will be a true test for the western allies, he will not go down easily and with his vaunted defense and latest technological weapons he will be employing. There will be heavy casualities for the allies. This may, I say MAY be another Vietnam for the US if they are not careful. Assad is nothing like gaddafi and if the US and it's allies think they will roll into Syria and take over it like they did Iraq or Libya, they are in for a rude awakening.

I saw some of that. Horrible stuff. But it's really none of our business. That is their civil war and it has nothing to do with outsiders. Those people have always been and always will be barbarians, so I'm not really surprised to see some of the videos floating about. But Americans do horrible things too during war time. Everyone does. It's all horrible.

All of that is true and the messed up thing is, the powers that be, the war mongering demons leading the nation, are going forward anyway! Won't be their sons who get killed.

You hit the nail right on the head. The politicians and the allies don't care that they are marching our soldiers into war and getting them killed. All they care about is the "Reconstruction" and the $$$ which they will profit from like all wars. It definitely won't be their son's or daughters that will be killed so the ends justify the means. :(

When the elites are done moping up the rest of the "non-conforming" countries (using American/NATO assets), you can better bet that the AMERICAN PEOPLE will be given their just share. You can take that to the bank.

The elites didn't execute the 9/11 false flag, blow out the Western economic system, and build a police/surveillance state around America (and the other elite controlled puppet states, Canada, Australia, UK, ..et al) for shits and giggles.

What goes around comes around.

If/When Syria falls, we'll ALL be a little closer to getting our share..

You and I are NO DIFFERENT to a Libyan, Iranian, OR Syrian in the eyes of the elites.. NEVER forget that.

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Since when does the USA give a shit about civilians in other countries? C'mon now... If China was gassing entire cities, do you think the US would do shit? Obviously not.

The USA doesn't give a shit about civilians in Baltimore, let alone Syria.

UNTIL when is the US GOVERNMENT going to use those stupid FAKE PRETEXTS to invade other countries, steal their OIL and do business with the RECONSTRUCTION?

The fucking US economy is BANKRUPT, that's why a HOUSE In Miami is cheaper than the same house in RIO DE JANEIRO, 3 blocks from ROCINHA...

I wonder until when will the world allow a single GOVERNMENT Ruled by CIA+FBI+BANKERS to do whatever they want, when they want...

The United Nations never EXISTED...

We must stop this .. This is bad for the whole world :(

Even if it wasn't a lie... since when do they care about the freedom of the Syrian people??? if they don't even care about them:

http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...y-the-numbers/

I don't know what they stakes are but it's sure not freedom and liberty!

Hey! they want you to love your country.... so they can send you to war!

Calm down everybody!!
I live in Beirut and have some very close friends at the american embassy among other places..
America is not going to invade Syria and the destroyed government will not use chemical weapons, this is all propaganda the takeover of the Syrian government is going very well and all as planned.
The issue is Iran and always will be, its and American-Islamic issue and we,re dealing with religious fanatics, if its war it will be by missile not invasion or chemical weapon.

What are you saying? That U.S. embassy is leaking information to adult-entrepreneur and gfy-informer?:)

Al Qaida-linked group Syria rebels once denied now key to anti-Assad victories

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/12/0...#storylink=cpy

history will see the US at this time the same way we see Nazi Germany now, a country with reckless abandon for the lives of innocent people, a country that is trying to take control of the world through force and the country that made nuclear weapons in war to kill innocent people a reality

just hope i am alive to see the day when the world gets fed up...or americans get tired of being the bad guy

No, it won't. There are many enormous differences between us and the forces of evil, the Nazis, in particular.

We invaded France in 1944, along with the Brits and Canadians, to liberate it from Nazis. We remained as part of an alliance to keep it free from the military threat of the Russians. But when France decided that it did not need us any more, 20 years later, without drama, we picked up many tens of thousands of troops and all their equipment and promptly left.

When we round up thousands of Afgans and transport them for slave labor in a distant country, I'll agree with you. When we work them to death and then harvest their hair and precious metal tooth fillings, then I'll agree with you.

When the day comes that we round up ten guys off the street and execute them in public in reply to the killing of an American soldier, I'll agree with you. Till then you're letting your opinions and passions run away with you and they have lead you to unsupportable hyperbole. I admire your passion. But you are wrong on this record.

Exactly, chemical weapons are weapons of mass destruction, yet, no problem.

Did you see the EMP bomb test in Utah a few weeks ago. Thats a weapon of mass destruction, but in those circumstances everyone dies of slow starvation, and you lose your porn business. heh

you are preaching to a guy who denied the holocaust and calls hamas his brothers....

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What was it already ... " fool me once , shame on .... "



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.. and now in route to Iran...

Damn, those WMD must have a lot of frequent flyer miles !!!!:upsidedow

In fact they need to prove that globalization is a good thing on a political way, that's why they need to do the same thing as in lybia.

Oh who would have ever guessed that stories on RT.com would ever try to use the "big ole evil US picking on poor little defenseless dictator" line..

Seriously RT.com is about as bias as it comes when dealing with Syria because Assad is a Russian ally. It's like reading Fox news and expecting fair and balanced to actually mean something.

RT always play the same predicable card of evil western countries picking mother Russia or their allies.

:1orglaugh

Besides that the Rebels are winning the war anyway so Assad's time is limited. The US has little to no reason to get involved out side of keeping Iran in check which is the biggest reason for our warships being there.

Thats pretty delusional. "WMDs" was not the only reason for Iraq. Look, i'm not supporting or not supporting Iraq and obviously the arguments were weak because no other intelligence agencies/governments on the globe agreed (apart from Britain).

However, you have to look at the context of that event. The WMD's argument was something that was cultivated over more than a decade, Iraq did have WMD's, Iraq had used WMD's and Iraq wanted the world to believe they had and were prepared to use WMD's (to keep Iran at bay). The continually refused to allow inspectors from the U.N. to do their jobs. They could not account for their supposed destruction of their stockpiles. They could not account for anything. At the same time, they were hostile and provacative and were in this position because of them rolling into Kuwait and trying to take the country for themselves as they raped, robbed and pillaged, then destroying most of the oil wells on their way out causing one of the worlds largest environmental catastrophes.

Anyway, sentiment towards Iraq and Saddam was the result of Iraq/Iran war, his invasion of Kuwait, his brutal suppression of uprising in his own country (i.e. gassing the Kurds, wantonly kidnapping and killing anyone they disagreed with, strafing crowds with attack helicopters etc etc etc) and then finally, his behavior afterwards for over 10 years. It was not the result of a spontaneous "he has WMD's" argument.

Syria is nothing.
Assad is nobody.
It is still a shitty country, whose development is hobbled by religion and archaic views/traditions, with no aspirations to be anything other than what it is.

It's a minor opportunity to put a reasonable government into the region - which are usually short lived or backfire anyway.

.... And on a side note... anyone who's forced to get their news from Russia Today to make a point, automatically loses.

but we.. fund the rebels. nato set up camps within the borders of syria to 'aid' these rebels

if it were a legitimate rebellion, it would have been finished a long time ago.

but just like libya, the 'rebellion' stalls, and all of a sudden its at the capitals front door

And you have all this wisdom from the CNN who has been caught lying over and over and over again.....?
CNN is as much a usa government tool as rt is for russia.
Only rt broadcasts some truth between the propaganda unlike cnn/bbc.

Everyone who Believes the chemical weapons were not there is stupid. If the USA is going to fabricate all the lies any hype and reports and intelligent intercept, satellite images, so on and so on. You THINK we would of placed a couple of 55 gal drums around, LOL

This isn't about the Holocaust or the rights of Palestinians. I'm not here to argue about death chambers versus fumigation chambers. The evil of the Nazis just does not hinge on that.

Nobody, I mean nobody, disputes Nazi use of massive amounts of slave labor transported many hundreds of miles. Each of them was a person, with a life, hopes, family, and dreams, and the Nazis reduced them to mechanical parts to be used for its purposes without respect for any respect or dignity owed to human beings. You think that the camp at Mauthausen was built next to a stone quarry out of coincidence? In my book, using other people as things - and denying them any of the fundamental rights that our patriot forefathers considered "unalienable" - is the very heart of all evil.

You think that the Nazi's didn't punish civilians at random for the killings of German soldiers?

You think that their goal on the Eastern Front was "nation building"?

If you want to take all thing Jewish out the equation, you're still left with indisputable evidence that the whole Nazi agenda was downright evil on a massive scale. Way past "immoral", way past "amoral" to objective evil.

And when you compare the United States to that regime, you insult the memory and blood of tens of thousands of young Americans who gave their lives to take that evil down and to restore people to their rights.