For programs that were developed in the last 5+ years, we have a zero tolerance policy regarding domains that dilute the TM and brand. What affiliates/partners are encouraged to do, is simply transfer the domain ownership to the programs holding company. In return they are granted exclusive license to use the domain when sending traffic exclusively to the program.

Generally speaking, if you have been an affiliate of Kink for a long time, and they "tolerated" your having the domain in question for all this time, you can argue that very simple point, during the arbitration that they will drag you into.

Hope that helps.

I blacklisted Kinkydollars years ago. IMO, they are not trustworthy and I would not recommend them to any webmaster. In the end, usually after you're driving lots of traffic and sales, they will hassle you and find a way to terminate your account. It doesnt make good business sense, but they do it anyway.

I play by the rules and have never had any problems of any kind.:2 cents:

Another example of a cash strapped sponsor trying to fuck a hard working affiliate. You put in the work of building a website and direct all traffic to that sponsor, then they want to take it from you for pennies on the dollar.

In the end, both the sponsor and the affiliate are going to lose all the revenue. It's a lose/lose brought upon by a lack of forward thinking.

Never had a single problem with Kink over the years. They've been aces in our books.

We're affiliate #302 - goes to show how long we've been affiliated. :thumbsup

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When their legal team ( 1 person btw ) started playing harsh, I even agreed to give the domains ownership to them if I continue to use them by myself alone. The traffic is exclusively to them, I like to separate things. The support knew about the domains since I showed them.

I gave them all the reasons possible, but it seems they love to abuse their upper hand, if I can speak in terms of kink :D I am sure they will love me more when they will see first page ranking in google for a lot of terms going to other affiliate programs :pimp

Not so... Kick Ass Pictures came after us for running MGP's on KickAssGalleries.com and KickAssPornstars.com, loooong story short, they lost.

I like the guys at Kink so this isn't directed at them, it's just a fact in the world of domains... Infringing domains litigation doesn't go to court, so threatening "legal action" is a scare tactic. The only way to get a domain from someone infringing on a trademark is opening up an ICAAN arbitration case. Doing this costs the company/individual to file, it was $1600 many years ago, not sure what it is now and to defend yourself it's free.

When you add up the cost of the lawyer to draw up their case and the ICAAN fee's it's probably a $5k ordeal to get that domain should they win.

I'm sure if you are ripping off a site and content as in the brazzers.to case you will get sued and it will go to court. But having a domain with a trademark in it and not infriging on copyright is handled by ICAAN.

From what I have heard Kink is actually closing your affiliate account if you don't sell for the 2x months revenue. That is years of rebills that they practically take from you unless you comply... I believe this just happened to AdultDesigns account when he refused to sell for 2 months income on a revshare account.

also the zillions of examples of this happening every day in all sorts of industries

I don't recall having any issues ever with Kink. They pay on time and still convert decent for us. Need a screenshot?

everybody wants to see all of your screenshots :winkwink: not needed here :winkwink:

I agree.

Kinky Dollars is one of the best sponsors I have dealt with in the last 10 years... One of the best 5 sponsors in 500... Very good and serious people.

To the OP, have you tried contacting Robert from Kink or any other of their good staff? They are very helpful people.

they are closing your account either way, i got the email as well and even though i remember asking my affiliate rep for permission to use my domains and then that rep asking legal and coming back and telling me that i could do it as long as i promoted only kink on those sites, i decided to say fuck it and not bother dealing with a petty company like that

for all of those saying Kink is a great company I always thought the same, and although they are entitled to take or refuse traffic from any domain the thing about screwing the affiliate out of their years of rebills really seems to me like a desperate move to squeeze some more pennies out of the business before possibly selling it? after all this may make them more money in the short run but in the long run those rebills will drop away and the new sales those affiliates were getting to fill them will instead go to the torrents and free sites that dominate the search results for any kink site

so i said fuck it, transferred the domains and decided to cut ties with a company that obviously has no idea what theyre doing with this move...not much of a hit to my bottom line and not a surprise from an industry that is constantly finding ways to screw the affiliates

they are even offering him money.. I mean.. well, better than that, can't see another sponsor..

Try to find out what WEBCAMWIZ does if you even "DARE" to use one of their site names in a domain... And not talking about their WEBCAM sites, but their secondary sites that are not even part of promotion..

Ask DAIANA from WEBCAMWIZ what she does...

Yeah, that... And it sucks. Another reason to stay away from WEBCAMWIZ, the sponsor that 2intense promotes in his SIG.

like i said its up to them whether they allow that or not and thats fine with me if they would have let me keep the rebills i would have been happy, either way im not losing any sleep over this i just think they could have handled it better

How can one affiliate program be serious when they cancel your account, they offer you 30k$ usd for your domains and they tell you that you can open a new account with them doing the same, minus that domains will be owned by them ( different by my old domains )?

In what world is this not mischievious and ill intended? And why the hell should I open a new account, knowing that at any time I can be closed and my money and work taken after the rebills are big enough and larger then the average payment in a hell of a lot of countries around the world?

In what world is not mischievious and ill intented to close an account and tell to open an account doing the same, when your support already saw the domains a long time ago and they were giving you advices what to improve and what to market next?

In what world is not mischievious and ill intended when you gave active support to the man owning the account, yet you close the account because he broke the tos? Everything was well known by their support.

In the world of retarded people, pardon me?

A lawyer is already looking at this, if anyone is interested in joining forces, I am open for anything. The lawyer already has adult experience, he was recommended from 2 old people around the forums.

I am still waitting for attorney to look more into this, and if nothing can be done, no problem I rank first spot first page on many keywords not related to their names, since I have never adverted their names, I a sure they will love seeing the traffic go other affiliate programs, I am already preparing things.

Thanks... Probably given the way I wanted to deal with them at the beginning ( I wanted to be flexible and I was ready for compromises ), they thought they can push it and I will swallow it :error

Hello man, you had the same problem as AdultDesigns ?

I know you from VB forum many years ago, so I know you are a honest guy.

Well, it would be good to have at least someone from KinkyDollars come here to explain what's going on.

Howdy, yes, I am having the same problem as we speak. Glad that someone knows me, I have never been a board's guy too much, so only my friends and old people from other boards remember me :)
And thanks

For sure they love first page of google results full of tubes, torrents and filelockers instead of affiliate sites with less content promoting them exclusively. At least, it reflects their recent actions of taking over affiliate sites :error

probably trying to make as much money as possible like it we were still in "pre-tube, pre-file lockers and pre-torrent" days. their content together with armory must cost some serious :2 cents:

I doubt they want to sell. In my case they thought that I will give in and "donate" my domains together with everything on them for the amount they wanted to give me. Probably my soft stance at the beginning made them think I am an easy prey.
Probably I should have taken the stance of someone who wrote here that he told them if they don't like it he will change the content to other affiliates.
I will remember this next time

Although I agree that in the last 2-3 years the sponsors have attacked AFFILIATES and TAKE HARD WORKING AFFILIATES likes enemies, like we have seen never before, I can't believe KinkyDollars does something like that...

I have experienced many shitty attitudes from sponsors in the last 2-3 years, taking affiliates as their ENEMIES and going against them, when in fact their ENEMY was somewhere else.

The hard working affiliate has always been the #1 reason sponsors become successful. So I really hate so much sponsors going against the affiliate.

Between 2001 and 2008 I hardly had any problems with any sponsors... From 2009 to 2012, had dozens of shitty experiences that made me either close my account with the shitty sponsor, STOP promoting them, they didn't pay or dissapear from the business to then come back with another name or converted into a "tube", or just stop the partnership with them.

Many asking me about shitty and bullshit requests, so many stupid requests all the time, to stop doing that and this, to start doing that and this...

Man, I even had a sponsor asking me to stop using nude pictures to promote their girls, because one of the girls saw one of my blogs and was offened... WTF? When in fact their OWN SPONSOR GALLERIES had the NUDE PICS that I grabbed from there to promote them!! And they even asked me "politely" to stop promoting them? Can you see the kind of BULSHIT we are into in the last few years?... Really sucks...

So, definitely something has changed for the WORSE in this business in the last few years.

But I still refuse to think that Kinky Dollars is part of that circle of bad sponsors, they have always been a very good sponsor.

It would be great to see Rob or any of the other guys from Kink.com come to the thread to clear things up. :thumbsup

Well taking down 10 grands a month, traffic rising even if the work stopped since google ranks grow up is better then make a fair deal, supposing that I would drop the domains for 30ks.

I have nothing to say about Rob, bad or good, he is kind of new there, although he made me the offer to open a new account where I could use their domain ( or whoever that domain was ), if I give up to the old account and domains ( this part was supposedly requested by the legal one man team ). ( I wonder how stupid does he think I am :) )

Anyway, my stance towards them is getting harsher as we speak, I have already lost time searching for affiliate websites that match the niches for their websites and talking to owners and after I finish changing the websites and stuff it will take a very good offer to change the ways given the fact that my employees don't work anymore as much as they should, and I loose time in this month when it is my birthday, xmas and all the other hollydays.

Beside one website that I could find only an approximate match, the others that matter are all covered and looking fine. If they can throw away xxx.xxx dollars in a year, I am talking about my revenue next year, no problem for me, I will get it from other sides, and on their niches. Wonder how productive it is for them loosing a good affiliate and also getting competition on their terms.

And btw, they are the first ones who would try to fuck me in the last 10 years, the only other person who tried that was a south african regarding a webdeveloping job, I did the job and he dissapeared.

So I should celebrate that :D

Bottom line, I would rather loose all the websites then bending down with a gun pointed at me.

Really?

Makes me wonder how we ever managed to pull in a six-figure revenue back in 2003 without an affiliate program.

We pay freeones on time, every time!

Now imagine a few affiliates like me who don't ask for hosting, tools, who don't bug you on chat, and make you legally 7 figures a year while you do your job undisturbed and make another 6 figures :)

I think an affiliate program and an affiliate complete each other. With a little bit of respect from both sides, things should work fine. I don't need statues, I don't need to be asked how are you, everything is working fine?.

But when it's about money, respect is a too small world. I remember three pictures from a gag site, the first people were protesting against wars, 5 10 gathered with banners stop wars... Another picture was with people protesting against environment destructions, around 40 50 people with banners. And the last one, people were protesting about money related issues, plaza filled.

And btw, I consider myself a small affiliate. I haven't reinvented the wheel, I just work hard, and that's it. I am sure there are a lot of people earning more with less work then me.

And you want to prove what?

You extrapolate one phrase in my post to tell me that in year 2003, without affiliates your ISOLATED Case could hit 6 figures?

Amazing... So what?... Now what?... :)

Doesn't change anything at all in what I was saying and I confirm it...

BTW, since you read my whole message but only DECIDE to quote what you want at your DISCRETION.. what do you say about the rest?

About the bullshit sponsors bullshitting affiliates with so much BULLSHIT in the last years...? Let's hear your opinion, Silent Knight...

Yeah man, however some sponsors after so many years have build a SO STRONG BRAND, that they don't consider affiliates #1 priority nowadays...

They become BIG and HUGE thanks to affiliates, but after so many years of brand building they dont even care, they get lots of signups just from bookmarkers...

Imagine that every site there has 10,000 recurring members at least... 10 sites have 100,000 recurring members and lots of them come back directly to the site, over and over again, cancel and rejoin directly, or via a newsletter, or things like that.

In long term, the affiliate gets a very small piece of the pie, of the referred members he sent in year 2005 and that made the affiliate 200 bucks, and to the sponsor 2000 bucks... Its a win-win situation always for the sponsor.

BTW, what happened to the other guys? Tomitza, Eagle (dan), and others?

I remember all of you from the Vanished VB and ThinkReel.

if it was 1 year ago, they are not going to do anything now (probably)
but you should still deal with it seriously.
but if they have done nothing in the year since they first contacted you this can be used as evidence that they have basically condoned what (whatever) you are doing/done
If its about domains infringing trademarks - i couldnt specifically see exactly what their "allegation" is - then treat it seriously, but dont accept anything they say,
I have had a few run-ins with lawyers alleging trademark infringement - all of them were wrong in law and the "claims" were completely baseless, as well as a pack of lies and the legislation as well as the caselaw stated they were wrong (they knew this as well - otherwise they must have been the dumbest lawyers on earth)
none of the cases ever went anywhere - because they couldnt - its just threats from pathetic (PATHETIC) bullies.
ps. the lawyers are on here, not that it bothers me.

if you think they are harassing you - tell them in writting, and if you think their claim is baseless tell them,

psps
check up their terms + conditions/contract because some "affiliate companies" terms + conditions i have seen would not stand up in a court of law,
but you need to check them for your own benefit anyway.

i apologise, i thought shake was the op.

but the message was still the same :-
tell them to fuck off in a polite and diplomatic way bearing in mind you might want to use that as evidence at a later date.

When i google my product: StrugglingBabes... then i find links to Kink promo movies on tubes
with the title: StrugglingBabes. Should i sue them for ass-fucking my brand? I need legal advice:helpme:mad::disgust

have you trademarked your name (etc etc)
are you the only company/person or the first person/company to use this ? how long have you had this name, have you registered it anywhere ?
do some research. and try to get advice, before you approach someone who may have infringed.
do some research before you go to a lawyer as well. it will save a lot of money if you summarise the case and you should see if you have a case in law, pointless paying for advice if you have nothing in law to rely on.

hello? echo...

talking about money in this thread right?

I took their offer (although it was 4x months not 2x as I had a pending monthly payment before they blocked my account and one extra month that it took to negotiate the deal).

I thought it was a good deal since the last time one of my accounts was blocked by NastyDollars I received no offer whatsoever. NastyDollars wanted the domains and only then would reactivate my account.

Also, no chance I would make the money offered if I redirected the traffic from KinkyDollars domains to the other sponsor.

Godzil, email me at [email protected]

Married or almost married, in the same city, looking sexier then ever, still in online bussiness, online shops,
( one has a huge local sexshop, he is my favourite provider, imagine myself in a big deposit surrounded of... tools :D )
but as I was till this Kink issue, away from forums.

The thing is happening as we speak, I would not have brought an one year issue around so late :) I told them all
the arguments, they don't really care I guess. And moreover, they know it better, since I was showing my domains
to support when I was building new sites, last time a couple of months ago when I told their gay support man about
the last site done and showed it, cause he told me to try that website too.

About loosing my domains, I don't really care about that, probably I might loose 2,3, 4 of the unimportant ones,
I doubt it worths to them to pay the fees for an administrative takeover which 1, is not 100% to be successfull,
2, the domains won are almost worthless ( beside they are small, if I loose them I will take care to remove all
advertising made for them ).

About the lies and claims, I feel you, same here. They told me about domain copyrights regarding names for names
that they haven't even registered them, someone on another board was so kind to give an example.

I am not affraid of a court of law, I am angry because of the way they dealt with me.

Yes, you should probably do that :D

I will not make the money instantly, but I will on the medium term. Their offer was laughable, I was ready to negotiate.
Nothing is irreplaceable in this world, in terms of people or things or affiliate programs or anything. You would be
amazed of what similar sites can be found at other affiliate programs after a few days of searching ( some one in their
support already told me about some months ago ).

Yes boss, doing it asap.

Might have been 7 figures with one. :winkwink:

You lucky devil :D

It's a game of chicken, he who blinks first, loses.

Will remember this, this was my first time.. I was a virgin

I received a letter from Kink today in my snail mail, but it only had a check in it:thumbsup

Why do I get the succinct feeling that the OP simply registered a derivative name of a product or products of theres, and in turn is simply ranking in Google for their brand and redirecting traffic there?

This is a practice that many programs in the future will outlaw / ban / or manage with a middle ground, dependent on the program.

At the end of the day, all these affiliates are doing is effectively leeching off the brand. They aren't really providing value to the sponsor. The only argument one could make is, if they rank there, at least piracy sites don't rank there - but well, Google is already trying to solve that problem.

In the eyes of a sponsor, this is becoming a real problem, and it isn't innocent on the affiliate part. Some affiliates target site brands before they are even launched so they can rank for the brand name before you even have begun your site, giving content away for free. This happens to literally every major sponsor today. So there is going to be lashback at some point, from some companies.

Would you make 10k a month from buying new domains similar to the affiliate and that's it?

For once, google is already down playing the importance of names, as you say.

For twice, domains names are in the niche, 75% of the big ones are in no way going to enter a name related dispute, while the small ones, I don't care, and also for some of the small ones they don't have the copyright registered.

3rdly, they saw the domains many times, including the last time when they launched a new site, some 2 3 months ago, and they told me to go for that too cause it is awesome, and after I bought a new domain and set up a new site and blog I have showed it to the, to the, everyone here?? To the support... Guess what, I am number one in google for a cute niche related search, ( beside others cute rankings ), nothing related to the name. I did that in 2 months because I have a name related to them? WTF...

I will just buy boundgangbbang.com and I am sure in 2 months I will be top of google for extreme naughty sex without doing anything. And hell yes, I would be there because of the name of the domain, right?

4thly and not lastly, I had chats before and had their active support, I can disclose one of the things they have done for me, I will keep the other proofs for me who knows what will happen in the future. I have an account to all their websites, free account created for 1 year, so I can grab content for what? Everyone here? For the sites I was showing to the support, nothing was hidden ever, I didn't use doors or mischievious masking. Or why did they give me full access to all their websites? For masturbating?... Oh yeah, you are a good webmaster, you earn us cash, here it is, a pass to all our sites to please yourself while you work for us.

Your feeling is absolutely wrong regarding me, I can't speak for everybody tho, not my bussiness.

They are doing it awfully wrong, awfully awfully wrong, and there is no argument they can offer beside they are greedy, and can enforce their position doesn't matter how fair it is, and doesn't matter that they broke their deal with me.

This is not about names, or copyrights, this is about a deal we had, a deal that people are not admitting anymore. I haven't appeared yesterday with my sites, they knew about them all the time, and they gave me advice what to do next, what's working better, and, as I said active support, like the content stuff, etc.

The rest, it will be soon just another story. I have more then enough arguments for what they did, but there is no problem. You loose some you earn some.

And at least, joking halfly, and pissed halfly, they should have had the decency to do this in January, not in the month of Xmas, when supposedly all people should be better ( or drunk in my case ), who also happens to be the month of my coming to this Earth filled of honest and hard working people that do not crave for the other people work and money.

Now instead of working normally and getting drunk double of normally I have to work double times to change things and stuff, cause I am not going to wait what the attorney can solve, who knows how long it will last.

Merry Xmas Kink! :pimp

I'm still here.

Besides the Kink owned sites, anyone know of other good bondage sites out there with high quality hd videos and lots of them?