http://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/ima...ting_0a6e6.jpg

Sadly, events like this seem to be good for business for the gun manufacturers, and for the NRA's fundraising efforts. :disgust

RIP to the innocent victims, and condolences to their families... :(

ADG

hey pro gun people argue this news story:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/...ack/index.html

there were all WOUNDED, not killed

http://www.facebook.com/rlanza

Evidently this is the shooter....

Its creepy looking at it...

there's going to be serious fall out from all this, gun control, security, lawsuits, etc

literally is almost the worst nightmare situation, this close to the holiday and elementary school kids

it wasn't him

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-GU_PwCUAAQgFA.png:large

Fuck!!

Its all over the news that it was him!!

Poor guy.....

I know huh... It puts your heart in your throat.

yeah all news stations are running with it also...we all hit facebook at the same time
im glad i was able to delete my link...poor guy though

not for long, I smell a lawsuit and nice pay day over this screw up... :2 cents:

too many news outlets relying on twitter and facebook to get factual information that is too often wrong instead of waiting for official releases. everyone wants to be first.

Just for the sake of information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanping_school_stabbings

It seems that some are more successful than others in carrying out their evil plans.

i screencapped huffington post for him

His FB account has been taken down....

GUESS what, would of been a nice fairy tale if guns were not already on the street!

Nothing you can do... Well except get Tough on criminals!

crazy people also evil people walking on this planet

Isn't the shooter dead? Don't think you can post on FB when your dead, unless there is a new app for it. Fucking stupid journalists.

Holy shit! This is insane!

Another psycho with gun...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CWUNQFX_44...a_57639661.jpg

Sounds like someone with the same name, but a different person, was the shooter:

:(

ADG

Nothing you can do. Well that is insightful. How much tougher should we get. 50% of the populace in prison.

I get the impression it was the guy they have been talking about but it is just a major fuck up.

Its not a common name - He was the right age and right place.

Could be as you say though. Its all just guesswork....

Edit: It is the same guy - His profile said that he now lived Hoboken and was from Newtown - He is 24 - I missed that part of your post before.

Edit2: BBC saying "Connecticut gunman named by US media as Ryan Lanza, whose mother taught at school and was also killed" - Someone is going to be in trouble if this guy is really sitting on a bus somewhere.

Same guy? The shooter is apparently dead, how is he posting on FB?

Just watched Obama .. very moving speech, by the sounds of it the US gun laws will change

yeah, seemed hard for him to get through it.

If he is actually posting on FB then the media have obviously fucked up...

This guy can sue right?

oh yea..

Something in the drinking water in the US. America is fucked up. This shit just keeps happening. Why is that??

Think it was his brother posting before he got arrested as his brothers name who carried out the shooting is Adam and not Ryan

People are the root of the problem.

The process to undo the damage of the past two generations is basically impossible barring an earth-changing event but here's where they should start:

- Stop giving kids drugs for made-up psychological disorders, depression, etc...

- Stop pumping so many chemicals into the food chain.

- Stop the need for everything to be so "PC". People get sued and arrested if they dare get angry at a neighbor verbally, wtf...

- Limit the technology that is destroying true social interactions (such as the fact people cannot have a meal together without texting, checking emails, etc...)

- Destroy the television monstrosity known as "Reality TV".

- Provide/allow more outlets for aggression. For example, when I grew up and got in bar fights all the time, it was always drunken fist fights and the worst that would happen is you'd get tossed from the bar. Now you'd probably get guns, knives involved OR the police charging in with tasers.

I'm not a gun fan (I prefer medieval weaponry myself as a hobby) but trying to enforce new restrictions on them won't help much if at all. For such public, mass events, the killer will simply turn to items like home-made bombs (easily obtainable supplies, can cause high death tolls in enclosed areas). Also, many cases the killer takes his own life - so most deterrents won't affect him (other than being able to prevent him from finishing the job, and then punishing him which to them would be worst than death).

I'm sitting here all teared up after reading the below - I have a 12 year old and can't imagine what these poor people are going through. 20 innocent little kids gone with in minutes...


First grade teacher Kaitlin Roig, 29, locked her 14 students in a classroom bathroom and listened to "tons of shooting" until police came to help.

"It was horrific," Roig said. "I thought we were going to die."

She said that the terrified kids were saying, "I just want Christmas?I don't want to die. I just want to have Christmas."

gee what are the odds someone has the same name as him LOL and the shooter is dead so if the kid is still posting on FB well I've wasted enough time

Same name, age and same bio details including location..

start at the 9 minute mark. I totally agree with the senators. 2nd amendment will not go away, I don't want it to go away and these senators hit it right on the head!



"The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been recognized by the General Government; but the best security of that right after all is, the military spirit, that taste for martial exercises, which has always distinguished the free citizens of these States....Such men form the best barrier to the liberties of America" - (Gazette of the United States, October 14, 1789.)

"No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." (Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers, 334,[C.J.Boyd, Ed., 1950])

"The right of the people to keep and bear...arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country..." (James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 [June 8, 1789])

"...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380)

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James Madison, The Federalist Papers #46 at 243-244)

totally enough for a public lynching

so this shooter killed his mother and now brother?

Yes - It seems that the screenshot was his brother posting - So the FB page I posted before that has now gone was the shooter.

At least that's what the story is ATM...

Edit: I meant the FB page was his older brother - Damn it is so confusing....

I thought the same thing after watching his short speech. He said "We need to set politics and side and make some decisions" or something that effect.

The truth is the general public doesn't want gun control, yet we turn around and say "how is this allowed to happen". I wonder if this might be the tipping point.

Pro gun has nothing to do with this.

Lets assume guns are illegal, ok? That does not mean they are not available on the black market. So anyone wanting to preform pre-mediated murder just has to buy a gun illegally and do whatever they want with it. It's that simple and that sad.

Think what they are getting at is the less guns you have in a country the less shootings you get, wont stop it alltogether but it wont happen as often as it does with countrys who have guns like South Africa and the US ect

We have very strict gun laws over here in the UK and you still do get people go off thier heads on a shooting spree, but it does not happen very often

The solution is simple. Arm all teachers. Certify them as trained marksmen. Give them the same training that border guards and immigration officers recieve. Issue them sidearms.

Then heaven help the next little fucker that wants to walk into school and start shooting.





I'm not a blame guy, I'm a solution guy. :D

on a related note:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/08...ntcmp=obinsite

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/06...ntcmp=obinsite

The term "American Psycho" has never been more relevant. It's a clear reflection of our society's problems with deranged idiots as much as our gun culture.

at this point, that seems like an extremely good idea

just imagine how much she would have felt with a GUN and the appropriate training to go with the GUN :2 cents:

Ok.. A guy loading up on what would be illegal weapons and tactical gear like he is going to war, is going to raise much more red flags. You make it sound like it would be as easy as going down to the local Walmart and finding a booth setup outside with illegal goods.

Thats all well and good until a teacher goes beserk with a gun in a school

When I lived over in South Africa i saw our next door neighbour who was normally a very calm and rational guy. One day my older brother got into an arguement with him over something very stupid. This guy took his gun out waved it in my brohters face and threatened to shoot him, luckly he dident but it just proves that a calm guy can very easly kill with a gun.
I saw so many shootings over in South Africa. I have a freind in a wheel chair because he was shot in the back after he handed his car keys over and he is a police officer and always carried a gun even when he was off duty, but it did not help him.

I was brought up with a gun culture I even had a damm crossbow when I was 12 years old and god knows how many air rifles before I even turned 16. We were taught to shoot .22 rifles at school. My dad always carried a gun with him. I thought nothing of it and really thought that shooting and people getting shot was just the norm, Until we left SA and came back to the UK. It then hit me just what a fucked up sitution I was living in where guns rule and life means fuck all.

Just opened up the news and saw this and it sent a chill down my spine. This is just

I hate guns, but try living in a place where every rapist, common criminal, and cop has one and you will soon understand why arming yourself can feel safer than being a sitting duck.

I am guessing you don't have kids and haven't been to a grade school recently. Teachers aren't exactly what you call "sturdy" and aren't the kind to have the confidence required to be able to carry guns. I can't imagine my kid's math teacher carrying a gun no less pointing it at someone; She's the kind of chick that would cry if she hit a baseball with a baseball bat during a baseball game.

Not to mention I don't want my grade school kid surrounded by a dozen loaded firearms on a daily basis.

Then factor in teachers don't want to be required to pay for their weapons and the schools can't afford to pay for it either.