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pornmasta 12-14-2012 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19370541)
I understand you're old and stupid old man. Did you see the part where I said "majority". Understand?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson_College_shooting

no in lybia/afghanstan/syria/irak

EonBlue 12-14-2012 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19370466)
Why is it the majority of these mass shootings happen in the United States? Don't flame me, I'm just asking a valid question.

Not sure if the majority of them happen in the US but maybe more than in any other single country. Either way it is definitely not unique to the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

Bryan G 12-14-2012 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19370568)

Let's try this one more time. M-A-J-O-R-I-T-Y.

bushwacker 12-14-2012 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzard (Post 19370556)
This has Mk-Ultra written all over it... Too convenient. Right when concealed carry ban is lifted in Illinois :2 cents:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh, you're a fucking nut job.

TrustedJ 12-14-2012 05:11 PM

I vote we ban stupid people from breeding.

_Richard_ 12-14-2012 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzard (Post 19370556)
This has Mk-Ultra written all over it... Too convenient. Right when concealed carry ban is lifted in Illinois :2 cents:

radioactive experiments that clinton admitted to years ago?

what are you talking about

pornmasta 12-14-2012 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19370576)
Let's try this one more time. M-A-J-O-R-I-T-Y.

ok, where is you stat study ?


Also what is the price to be a slave, you can suicide ?
Sure it's good to have good stats...

StickyGreen 12-14-2012 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19370587)
radioactive experiments that clinton admitted to years ago?

what are you talking about

He's talking about this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MK-ULTRA

Dirty F 12-14-2012 05:14 PM

Thank god i live in a country where only criminials have guns. Which makes things way more safe than that shithole called the US.

Bryan G 12-14-2012 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19370589)
ok, where is you stat study ?


Also what is the price to be a slave, you can suicide ?
Sure it's good to have good stats...

I don't need a "stat study" show me another first world country that has the same gun violence. Specially when it comes to mass shootings.

Instead of being so defensive maybe you should start looking at the under laying issue.

buzzard 12-14-2012 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19370466)
Why is it the majority of these mass shootings happen in the United States? Don't flame me, I'm just asking a valid question.

Because the USA is being brought down by design.

Sid70 12-14-2012 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19370618)
I don't need a "stat study" show me another first world country that has the same gun violence. Specially when it comes to mass shootings.

Instead of being so defensive maybe you should start looking at the under laying issue.

You do :)

http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...16093712_n.jpg

pornmasta 12-14-2012 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19370618)
I don't need a "stat study" show me another first world country that has the same gun violence. Specially when it comes to mass shootings.

Instead of being so defensive maybe you should start looking at the under laying issue.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03...il-of-bullets/

france regulates weapons and basically you are usually not allowed to have a real one (for some reason, at least in big cities)...
but who cares, there is a black market for people like that...

And i cant even defend myself, if this country fails to protect me how it should.
I should just wait that someone bothers to do something...

Heath 12-14-2012 05:40 PM

You can vote to ban anything you want. Doesn't mean people will actually abide by it. There's plenty of 'banned' things you can find easily, in most places in the world.

So sure, vote to ban it. People with guns will say.. ahahahahahaaha you ain't taking my piece. Then you will see more bloodshed because people the law allows to have guns, try to take it away from those who purchased them legally, at one point.

pornmasta 12-14-2012 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19370659)

a single area of France:
http://www.english.rfi.fr/europe/201...ctim-shot-dead

Dirty F 12-14-2012 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19370674)

God, you are an imbecile.

Do you have to have an iq of 70 to be pro gun or what?

buzzard 12-14-2012 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bushwacker (Post 19370577)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh, you're a fucking nut job.

and you are a bushwacker :thumbsup

Dirty F 12-14-2012 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19370674)

Imbecile boy, i have a question.
What situation is more safe.
Out of 1000 people 1 is a criminal with a gun.
Out of 1000 people 1 is a criminal with a gun and 500 people are citizens with a gun.
Think real hard about it with your pea sized brain before you answer.

EonBlue 12-14-2012 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19370618)
I don't need a "stat study" show me another first world country that has the same gun violence. Specially when it comes to mass shootings.

Instead of being so defensive maybe you should start looking at the under laying issue.

Under laying issue = gangs. Today's tragedy aside, most gun crime in the US is gang related.

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 19370659)

If you took out all gang related gun homicides I bet you the US would be about the same as the rest of the world for gun homicides.

Dirty F 12-14-2012 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzard (Post 19370676)
and you are a bushwacker :thumbsup

At what point do you actually start to realize you might indeed be a fucking nutjob? Almost every post you make here someone will tell you you are crazy.
Do you think everyone is wrong and you are right?

pornmasta 12-14-2012 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19370675)
God, you are an imbecile.

Do you have to have an iq of 70 to be pro gun or what?

I have personnal reasons...
You know, people worries about murders because it's spectacular but there is an other side of the coin (when there is no guns).

pornmasta 12-14-2012 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19370682)
Imbecile boy, i have a question.
What situation is more safe.
Out of 1000 people 1 is a criminal with a gun.
Out of 1000 people 1 is a criminal with a gun and 500 people are citizens with a gun.
Think real hard about it with your pea sized brain before you answer.

you seems to be pro gun, but you criticize me that i am ?

Dirty F 12-14-2012 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19370689)
I have personnal reasons...
You know, people worries about murders because it's spectacular but there is an other side of the coin (when there is no guns).

So your personal reasons make you post retarded stuff and completely ignore statistics?
Can't you in this case just say i have personal reasons but yes you people are right, there is a huge fucking gun problem in the US?
Fucking moron.

Dirty F 12-14-2012 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19370693)
you seems to be pro gun, but you criticize me that i am ?

Wtf? Wait, i hope you are just joking now and took my example in the wrong way on purpose. If not then you're even more fucking dumb that i already though you were. Which is almost impossible.
Nah, this can't be real. You're just fucking with me.

pornmasta 12-14-2012 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19370694)
Can't you in this case just say i have personal reasons but yes you people are right, there is a huge fucking gun problem in the US?

What's the problem ?
It's not the gun who kills, it's the guy who shot.
Also if your society is violent, what demonstrates that the reason is the guns ?

Dirty F 12-14-2012 05:51 PM

Gun nutters look so much like the conspiracy nutters here. Equally dumb and brainwashed.
They ignore facts. They ignore statistics. They just keep on crying the same thing over and over again.

Dirty F 12-14-2012 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19370702)
What's the problem ?
It's not the gun who kills, it's the guy who shot.
Also if your society is violent, what demonstrates that the reason is the guns ?

Did i already mention you are a fucking imbecile?

pornmasta 12-14-2012 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19370698)
Wtf? Wait, i hope you are just joking now and took my example in the wrong way on purpose. If not then you're even more fucking dumb that i already though you were. Which is almost impossible.
Nah, this can't be real. You're just fucking with me.

you know for me a criminal is someone who kill someone, it's not someone with a gun.So 1 criminal and 500 other armed guy is safer for me.

pornmasta 12-14-2012 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19370708)
Did i already mention you are a fucking imbecile?

Please demonstrate that guns make people more violent.
You know, there is much more people in jail in the USA too.
And there is much more gangs too...
Remove the gun, what proves that it will reduce the number of murders ?

You know you can't buy cocaine over the counter, but strangely some people are able to get it anyway... :2 cents:

Dirty F 12-14-2012 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19370709)
you know for me a criminal is someone who kill someone, it's not someone with a gun.So 1 criminal and 500 other armed guy is safer for me.

You have a very, very low iq. But this was clear already.

Dirty F 12-14-2012 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19370713)
Please demonstrate that guns make people more violent.
You know, there is much more people in jail in the USA too.
And there is much more gangs too...
Remove the gun, what proves that it will reduce the number of murder ?

You know you can't buy cocaine over the counter, but strangely some people are able to get it anyway... :2 cents:

No amount of statistics could convince a low iq'ed gun nutter like you. Because you've been told your whole life guns are the way to go and it's your freedoms. This is hardwired in your tiny hillbilly brain. You ask me to demonstrate something you are totally not interested in. I could demonstrate you a 100 things which will show you how wrong you are and your answer will be be: I don't care. Guns don't kill people.

Bryan G 12-14-2012 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 19370683)
Under laying issue = gangs. Today's tragedy aside, most gun crime in the US is gang related.



If you took out all gang related gun homicides I bet you the US would be about the same as the rest of the world for gun homicides.

Mass shootings? When someone walks into a school, college, movie theatre and shoots the place up? No, not even close. How in the world is it legal that someone can legally own a assault weapon? You want to own a hunting gun? Fine so be it. No one should be able to legally own a fucking machine gun.

georgeyw 12-14-2012 06:08 PM

So if guns help stop these types of mass shootings, could someone please post some links to examples of people stopping a mass shooting because they were armed?

^^
Serious question.

pornmasta 12-14-2012 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19370721)
Because you've been told your whole life guns are the way to go and it's your freedoms.

I live in france and i have a propaganda that says the opposite.
And you know in france, this country where you are allowed to think what you want... people would just start to harass me, because i claim an opinion like that.

I'm just sure that in france, the jurisdictional system is totally fucked up and useless to protect people efficiently (at least on some subjects). I just want to be able to protect myself (just in case, people wanted to destroy my life for the fun of it or because i don't think like them, for example).

baddog 12-14-2012 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19370576)
Let's try this one more time. M-A-J-O-R-I-T-Y.

Because we have more people; that was mentioned already.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19370618)
Instead of being so defensive maybe you should start looking at the under laying issue.

What would that be?

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19370709)
you know for me a criminal is someone who kill someone, it's not someone with a gun.So 1 criminal and 500 other armed guy is safer for me.

:1orglaugh :thumbsup

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19370722)
No one should be able to legally own a fucking machine gun.

Most places, you can't legally own a machine gun. :2 cents:

L-Pink 12-14-2012 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19370722)
No one should be able to legally own a fucking machine gun.

The vast, vast majority of "assault rifles" are just single shot rifles. In order to own an actual machine gun you need to be pre-vetted by serious government agencies and renew your ownership each year thru what is called a "tax-stamp" I honestly cannot remember ever reading of a true machine gun being used in a crime yet alone a shooting.

I own an Uzi. That doesn't mean it's a machine gun. It's a single shot rifle as are the AR-15's used in recent shootings.

Bryan G 12-14-2012 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19370752)
Because we have more people; that was mentioned already.



What would that be?



:1orglaugh :thumbsup



Most places, you can't legally own a machine gun. :2 cents:

If you added up the population of all the first world countries other than the USA (UK, Canada, Germany, Sweden, Japan, etc) it would far exceed the population of the united states. However collectively they don't have near the same gun violence/murders that america does.

Lester Burnham 12-14-2012 06:25 PM

Ok, here is my take, as an Obama voting Dem who SURPRISE - owns a lot of guns (we can't let the GOP have all the fun). I own a FN SCAR, Walther PPS, FN 5.7, Ed Brown Kobra Carry, and a few others.

A firearms ban is just so dumb and out there when you consider history and the present situation.

First, alcohol consumption by private citizens has contributed more death and misery in this country than firearms, and it isn't even close. People rape, maim, assault and kill people in this country due to the impact of alcohol every single day. Are we going to ban alcohol? Of course not. Did we try? Yes. Did it work. Hell no.

Banning firearms is Prohibition 2.0. Put simply, the demand for firearms is enormous, much like the demand for alcohol prior to prohibition (Exhibit A: 2,000,000+ gun purchase in the state of Kentucky alone last year). If a firearm ban is in place, people will simply buy them in the unregulated black market, enriching the coffers of those in organized crime. And oh yea, the thugs in South Side Chicago are gona love it, because the Korean grocery store owner with a mini-mart there can't have a shot gun behind the counter to protect himself.

Secondly, unless you want a civil war, stop the ban firearms nonsense. Try confiscating weapons from armed militias in Northern Michigan. You thought Waco was bad? Shit, it would be absolute chaos.

Take PRAGMATIC approaches to gun ownership, like we do with other "deathly pleasures", e.g., alcohol and cigarettes. That is the only solution. Anyone who proposes a complete firearm ban, or even worse, confiscation, is delusional and should have their head examined. Learn from history. The populace is already heavily armed, so a ban is just not gonna work under any reality, alternative or otherwise. It didn't work for alcohol, and it sure as hell isn't gonna work for firearms.

PornoMonster 12-14-2012 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19370722)
Mass shootings? When someone walks into a school, college, movie theatre and shoots the place up? No, not even close. How in the world is it legal that someone can legally own a assault weapon? You want to own a hunting gun? Fine so be it. No one should be able to legally own a fucking machine gun.

Not many people can own a machine gun.

If you are talking about Ar-15, or the .223 Bushmaster. this is NOT an assault weapon.
Just because Politics have changed the wording and what something looks like.
It is a Weapon that LOOKS like an assault Weapon.
We have changed the wording to fit the needs.
It is No more that a 30-06 just a smaller round, and a larger magazine.
BOTH can be modified to be automatic as can most weapons even shot guns.

I can get a 100 round clip for my 9mm and modify the handgun to make it auto.

PornoMonster 12-14-2012 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19370783)
If you added up the population of all the first world countries other than the USA (UK, Canada, Germany, Sweden, Japan, etc) it would far exceed the population of the united states. However collectively they don't have near the same gun violence/murders that america does.

Exactly, and this is SAD. The Problem is, NOTHING can be done as far as Taking Guns away!
Guns are here, so there has to be a different answer. The Criminals will NEVER give up their guns.

If guns were never invented, then the USA would be the number one in Knife Violence. It isn't the weapon (does make mass killings more easy) it is how we have changed over time and all the PC correct crap.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws, and the Most violence.....


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