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L-Pink 12-14-2012 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19370783)
If you added up the population of all the first world countries other than the USA (UK, Canada, Germany, Sweden, Japan, etc) it would far exceed the population of the united states. However collectively they don't have near the same gun violence/murders that america does.

We have a violent society. We have a lot of self centered mentally impaired losers. We have more guns than people. See the problem???

Outlawing guns is impossible.

It's not like you can press a hyperspace button and all the guns magically disappear, gone forever. Outlawing guns will simply mean very law abiding citizens will turn theirs in. The vast majority plus more hitting our shores will still be there. Then what? A war on guns that's twice as successful as our war on drugs would still be a huge fail and guns would still be readily available to anyone planning a crime.

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scottybuzz 12-14-2012 06:33 PM

you know what?

I used to be totally anti gun....
then I realised how hitler was the same.... He didn't want his citizens to have guns either.

I totally believe guns are the most retarded things in the world yet in the end after all the politics and bullshit that can be worked around through further bullshit, they are the only thing between you and your government taking control.

Please don't say it can't OR won't ever happen.

edit - i've had too much too drunk but I don't know which side of the fence to stand on.

Bryan G 12-14-2012 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 19370792)
Not many people can own a machine gun.

If you are talking about Ar-15, or the .223 Bushmaster. this is NOT an assault weapon.
Just because Politics have changed the wording and what something looks like.
It is a Weapon that LOOKS like an assault Weapon.
We have changed the wording to fit the needs.
It is No more that a 30-06 just a smaller round, and a larger magazine.
BOTH can be modified to be automatic as can most weapons even shot guns.

I can get a 100 round clip for my 9mm and modify the handgun to make it auto.

You are correct. I have no knowledge between the difference of a machine gun or whatever a ar15. All I know is that their sole purpose is to kill people and in no way should any normal citizen be able to legally own one. Anyhow folks you seem to think there is no issue with guns in the usa. so all the power to you. Good night!

429mg 12-14-2012 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19370709)
you know for me a criminal is someone who kill someone, it's not someone with a gun.So 1 criminal and 500 other armed guy is safer for me.

I don't get that... out of those 500 people, a few could really flip about whatever... and do harm with those guns.

1 gun is safer than 501 guns for sure!

L-Pink 12-14-2012 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 429mg (Post 19370815)
I don't get that... out of those 500 people, a few could really flip about whatever... and do harm with those guns.

1 gun is safer than 501 guns for sure!

Let me ship about 5,000 of Tampa Bays finest lowlifes to your city and you'll beg me to Fed-X you a case of handguns.

Lester Burnham 12-14-2012 06:43 PM

Jokes aside, alcohol his little to no redeeming value (outside of medical and industrial uses). Yet we, as a democratic and free society, have agreed that the pleasure of alcohol outweighs the pain and suffering it causes (which outnumbers the pain the suffering caused by firearm ownership in this country).

At least with firearms, there is objective value, e.g., 1) self defense, 2) a commodity that can be traded and sold (if the shit hits the fan, guns and ammo will be worth more than gold, 3) safe recreational use among family and friends, 4) keeping the government in check (no, I'm not a right wing nut, but it is a hell of lot easier to deal with the lemming if they aren't armed).

Freedom is expensive and produces horrible results. But you gotta take the good with the bad. We'd all be safe if we lived in a world where guns, alcohol, cigarettes, fast cars, and other "vice enabling" products/services were banned. But then you live in some strange world out of a Star Trek episode. No thanks.

PornoMonster 12-14-2012 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19370808)
You are correct. I have no knowledge between the difference of a machine gun or whatever a ar15. All I know is that their sole purpose is to kill people and in no way should any normal citizen be able to legally own one. Anyhow folks you seem to think there is no issue with guns in the usa. so all the power to you. Good night!

OH NO,
There is a HUGE Issue and Problem. To many Criminals and People about to go crazy. have guns...

But Gun Control as everyone is talking is NOT the answer. The school was a No Gun Zone, ha.

Look at the batman guy he had several other theaters closer to his house, some were even bigger.
He chose the ONLY one that do not carry conceal in the theater.

I heard MOST of these shootings happen in places where you can not carry, and there are no police or security.

429mg 12-14-2012 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19370818)
Let me ship about 5,000 of Tampa Bays finest lowlifes to your city and you'll beg me to Fed-X you a case of handguns.

As long as they come unarmed... I won't need a gun.

L-Pink 12-14-2012 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 429mg (Post 19370827)
As long as they come unarmed... I won't need a gun.

Duh? Of course they will have guns they are criminals and gangster wannabes. But it's nice to see you would arm yourself.

scottybuzz 12-14-2012 06:51 PM

oh fuck, i thought this was to do with the mall shooting. i just read about the school shooting.

really things are so fucked up in the world on so many levels. so many fucking levels. it is disgusting.

Lester Burnham 12-14-2012 06:51 PM

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pornmasta 12-14-2012 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 429mg (Post 19370815)
I don't get that... out of those 500 people, a few could really flip about whatever... and do harm with those guns.

1 gun is safer than 501 guns for sure!

let's say that there is one criminal with a gun on a side and one criminal + 500 potential criminals on the other side (they have guns).
YES, in this case it's safer to have only one criminal if the police does its job...

But if you fear what could happen, you are supposed to think twice before you start to do something that could have a fatal effect.

(Of course, it's inefficient against people on drug or against people that think that they are the strongest anyway).

Dirty F 12-14-2012 07:07 PM

Anybody who thinks living between 500 gun owners is safer than having 1 criminal with a gun in your area needs to get their head checked. And soon.

ahoy 12-14-2012 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19370713)
Please demonstrate that guns make people more violent.
You know, there is much more people in jail in the USA too.
And there is much more gangs too...
Remove the gun, what proves that it will reduce the number of murders ?

You know you can't buy cocaine over the counter, but strangely some people are able to get it anyway... :2 cents:

Okay on that note. If you could buy cocaine over the counter, would there be more users? Don't even have to answer that..

pornmasta 12-14-2012 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ahoy (Post 19370875)
Okay on that note. If you could buy cocaine over the counter, would there be more users? Don't even have to answer that..

i'm not sure...
It's easier to get.
It's a different life style.
It would also be easier to find help (you don't fear to have legal issues)

pornmasta 12-14-2012 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ahoy (Post 19370875)
Okay on that note. If you could buy cocaine over the counter, would there be more users? Don't even have to answer that..

In fact, you want to protect honnest guys to do something wrong with guns.
But are these people really the problem ?
Let's say the someone decide to kill his boss: i think that the other boss will think twice before they start to hassle their employees. Yeah more murders... but less harassments

OneHungLo 12-14-2012 07:17 PM

The way society is now, if you want a gun you should have an evaluation by a psychiatrist and do a deep mental health history check.

And anyone can get a gun illegally but a lot of these loner type, white, middle class guys will not roll into the ghetto and try to buy a gun. That may eliminate some of random shootings and whatnot.

pornmasta 12-14-2012 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 19370886)
loner type, white, middle class guys will not roll into the ghetto and try to buy a gun.


These white guys are terrible.
Are they even allowed to vote ?

StickyGreen 12-14-2012 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19370872)
Anybody who thinks living between 500 gun owners is safer than having 1 criminal with a gun in your area needs to get their head checked. And soon.

lol, you're such a pussy... if you lived in America you'd probably be scared shitless hiding under your bed because all your neighbors have guns and are out to get you...

PornoMonster 12-14-2012 07:32 PM

Three weapons were recovered from the school: a semi-automatic .223 Bushmaster found in a car in the school parking lot, and a Glock and a Sig Sauer found with Lanza's body

Dirty F 12-14-2012 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 19370910)
Because that's absolute proof the Australian gun ban was useless. Meaning, a criminal refused to turn in his firearms when the majority of law-abiding citizens did. The Norwegian who slaughter all those kids on that island is another perfect example.

There's way too many guns in American society to ban them. Besides, if you understand our culture and new sweeping gun bans are in-acted in today's divided political climate? Instant civil war. IMO, well overdue.

Correct. Banning guns now won't solve much. There are too many guns out there already.

mozadek 12-14-2012 07:56 PM

If anything this shows us that we need more guns. If teachers were packing, janitors, school administrators, hell, even the students, this massacre could have been prevented.

L-Pink 12-14-2012 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19370929)
Correct. Banning guns now won't solve much. There are too many guns out there already.

The unfortunate truth.

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Dirty F 12-14-2012 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mozadek (Post 19370933)
If anything this shows us that we need more guns. If teachers were packing, janitors, school administrators, hell, even the students, this massacre could have been prevented.

You forgot to add a smiley or another clue that you were being sarcastic.

Rochard 12-14-2012 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19370702)
It's not the gun who kills, it's the guy who shot.

But the gun enabled people to kill other people. In bulk. Quickly. This is why you don't hear about mass murders committed by someone with a spoon.

When the Constitution was written, it took an entire minute to load a weapon and you were lucky if you hit the broadside of a barn with it. Now you can kill thirty people in sixty seconds. Is that what the Constitution had in mind?

Heath 12-14-2012 08:17 PM

This thread is fucking idiotic. "lets ban guns"... as if it hasn't been attempted already.

Let's ban alcohol and see how that works out... oh.. it has been attempted already and it led to the gangsters killing even more daily then the guy did today.. oh... sorry.. continue with your moronic reason on why guns should be banned....

MakingItPay 12-14-2012 08:29 PM

I really don't mind people that don't want to own guns. I wish they would put a sign on their door declaring this. I am trained on the safe use of my firearms. I understand the the police can not protect my home, nor is it their job to do so. They will most likely show up with chalk and police tape after violence has occurred. I love that I have the right to legally own a weapon and protect my life and the lives of my family with it.
if you believe that if abortions were made illegal that women would get them illegally anyway, then I hope you understand that gun owners know the same rule would apply to firearms. The second amendment was not for hunters, btw.

Dirty F 12-14-2012 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MakingItPay (Post 19370967)
I really don't mind people that don't want to own guns. I wish they would put a sign on their door declaring this. I am trained on the safe use of my firearms. I understand the the police can not protect my home, nor is it their job to do so. They will most likely show up with chalk and police tape after violence has occurred. I love that I have the right to legally own a weapon and protect my life and the lives of my family with it.
if you believe that if abortions were made illegal that women would get them illegally anyway, then I hope you understand that gun owners know the same rule would apply to firearms. The second amendment was not for hunters, btw.

Yadiyadiya bllaaaaah blaaah freedoms bleh blah familys yadiya

StickyGreen 12-14-2012 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19370951)
But the gun enabled people to kill other people. In bulk. Quickly. This is why you don't hear about mass murders committed by someone with a spoon.

When the Constitution was written, it took an entire minute to load a weapon and you were lucky if you hit the broadside of a barn with it. Now you can kill thirty people in sixty seconds. Is that what the Constitution had in mind?

A car or truck can be driven through a crowd. Quickly. Let's ban them too...

And no, that is not what the constitution had in mind... the deranged individual today was not fighting against tyranny for the security of the free state, as described in the 2nd Amendment, instead he took the lives of innocent people which is not at all what the 2nd Amendment is about... so he was obviously in the wrong and deserved to die for what he did and now he won't be hurting anyone else.

baddog 12-14-2012 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 19370909)
Three weapons were recovered from the school: a semi-automatic .223 Bushmaster found in a car in the school parking lot, and a Glock and a Sig Sauer found with Lanza's body

I think it was BBC or Al Jazeera that reported that they found two other handguns in the school; no mention of make.

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19370951)
Now you can kill thirty people in sixty seconds. Is that what the Constitution had in mind?

I am relatively confident they figured weapons would improve over time; historically it held true, no reason for them to think otherwise.

MakingItPay 12-14-2012 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19370977)
Yadiyadiya bllaaaaah blaaah freedoms bleh blah familys yadiya

Well played. :thumbsup:thumbsup

Lemme guess. You don't live in the United States?

Dirty F 12-14-2012 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 19370980)
A car or truck can be driven through a crowd. Quickly. Let's ban them too...

And no, that is not what the constitution had in mind... the deranged individual today was not fighting against tyranny for the security of the free state, as described in the 2nd Amendment, instead he took the lives of innocent people which is not at all what the 2nd Amendment is about... so he was obviously in the wrong and deserved to die for what he did and now he won't be hurting anyone else.

Is it the weed that made you this fucking stupid or we're you simply born like this?

Dirty F 12-14-2012 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MakingItPay (Post 19370982)
Well played. :thumbsup:thumbsup

Lemme guess. You don't live in the United States?

Nope, i live in a first world country where you don't need an uzi to defend your home.

MakingItPay 12-14-2012 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19370990)
Nope, i live in a first world country where you don't need an uzi to defend your home.


Do we send financial aid to your first world country? You are lucky. I live in a country where they have home invasions. The invaders love it when the homeowners are unarmed.

StickyGreen 12-14-2012 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19370986)
Is it the weed that made you this fucking stupid or we're you simply born like this?

You're not allowed to comment on the constitution you weird dutch fag...

StickyGreen 12-14-2012 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MakingItPay (Post 19370996)
Do we send financial aid to your first world country? You are lucky. I live in a country where they have home invasions. The invaders love it when the homeowners are unarmed.

Franck lives in CandyLand...

mikesinner 12-14-2012 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger (Post 19370261)
Once upon a time, patriots who loved liberty, in other words, ordinary Americans, rose up with firearms against tyrants and threw them off these shores. Ever since, the story has inspired people all around the world. And the first thing the tyrants do is to round up all the guns, so that the government has a monopoly on the tools of violence. I'm really skeptical of the proposition that we are all safer, more free, and happier, when only people with badges have the guns. I think that invites tyranny. I don't think that anyone is safer when the basic means of self-defense that evens the playing field with criminals is taken away from peaceable citizens. I don't think it makes for a reduction in crime for bad people to know with reasonable surety that potential victims are unarmed.

I live in the last American jurisdiction that makes it always illegal for an ordinary citizen to go about armed, in fact it's a felony carrying 1-3 years in prison. Illinois. The other day, the Seventh Circuit declared the law unconstitutional and stayed the mandate for 180 days to give the legislature time to regulate our right to self defense. 180 days from now, I'll be one of the first in line for whatever permit may be required. Sanity finally comes to Illinois.

Because small arms work great against tanks, stealth bombers and nuclear weapons.

MakingItPay 12-14-2012 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesinner (Post 19371003)
Because small arms work great against tanks, stealth bombers and nuclear weapons.

Just ask the Taliban.

Rochard 12-14-2012 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 19370980)
A car or truck can be driven through a crowd. Quickly. Let's ban them too...

I love this argument. Yes, a car can be driven into a crowd and can kill dozens quicker than a hand gun. Yet oddly enough we don't have people intentionally driving into crowds with the intentions of killing people. You can kill people with baseball bats and spoons and even duck tape if you really wanted to, but yet people always use guns. People use guns because it empowers them and gives them control.

Baseball bats are used for baseball. Cars are used for transportation. Spoons are used to eat with. Firearms are used to kill.

You can argue some firearms are used for hunting. But not hand guns. And not the Bushmaster this kid had today.

MakingItPay 12-14-2012 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 19371002)
Franck lives in CandyLand...

He is fortunate.


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