no it wasnt, it was if we were attacked as a country.

You're still missing the point. Public militias are separate from the national military.

And the 2nd Amendment was not written with an expiration date, it is valid through any time in the future should we ever face tyranny. This is why it says the 2nd Amendment rights may not be infringed.... ever.

no you don't. or have you completely forgotten what an automatic rifle is? Those are extremely rare and illegal in canada.

i took boomer to the city limits today. he was loud :)

have you considered that your location says toronto? why the fuck would i consider you live some place else? :1orglaugh

I'm with you on stopping nuts from getting guns, and perhaps having armed guards at schools. Protecting our children, the way we protect the bank's Money.

But no, they didn't have the right to bear arms at any of those places. It is illegal to carry in those locations. That is a big reason, only the guy that didn't mind committing a felony had guns.

And nobody that is trained in home protection would go moving about the house like james bond during a break in. That is how you shoot your kid. But, if you don't want to be trained, just call 911. They will save the day for sure.

Any specific type of tyranny or dictator about to take over any time soon?

Who knows... the country has been slowly headed that way for a long time now...

http://gardinersright.files.wordpres.../02/tytler.jpg

This is the typical cycle. Where are we now? You tell me...

The tyrany argument is hilarious....and sad at the same time.

I bet you think the statement "history repeats itself" is also hilarious.

In Franck's fantasy world no one will ever again attempt to install an evil authoritarian dictatorship.

I honestly believe that their intention, at the time of writing, was to create an all volunteer army - to be called up in the event of national emergency. And if you read about it, in some cases Militias were formed on temporary basis, although more for law enforcement than anything else.

The National Guard is sort of a government militia. Perhaps what we need to do is say "anyone who owns a firearm is the first ones drafted if the nation goes to war".

bunch of paranoids here ....:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

That's part of my point - the odds of me shooting someone in my own family by mistake is greater than the odds of my house ever being broken into while I am sleeping.

I am not sure if guards at schools would be enough. Maybe if you had two or three officers at EVERY school nationwide it would be a deterrent. But that's a lot of money...

I believe it was illegal to carry at the college, but not at the local mall or movies.

But that doesn't really matter. Can you just imagine if someone was carrying a concealed weapon in the mall when a gun man attacked? Do you honestly mean to tell me that "Bob", a forty-five year old insurance salesman, is going to be able to go from shopping with his wife and kids to instantly being in a tactical situation he was never trained for? Is "Bob" going to be able to tell who the gun man is from the dozens or hundreds of shoppers when everyone is running around with their heads cut like chickens screaming? Is "Bob" really going to be able take out a gun man armed with an assault rifle at forty yards?

Is "Bob" really going to be able to take another's man's life during a tactical situation without having any time to determine if the shooter is the shooter, a police officer, or another innocent civilian who has armed himself?

We have the right to bear arms and a lot of us do, yet oddly not once at a mall or school or movies has a civilian pulled out a handgun and taken out the gunman. (I do recall the shooting at the church where the armed security guard took out the gunman.) Where are all of these people who proudly own handguns? Hiding?

Of course you do.

You know when they calculate those odds, they include gang shootings, since they make the leap that rival gangs know each other.

If you are trained in the safe use of gun and home defense techniques, your odds of shooting a family member by accident are greatly reduced. You might accidentally run over your own kids in your car too. But not owning a gun is a choice I think you should have the right. I just hate when people give up their rights freely, and since they don't use it, they want it taken from me.

Where I live it is illegal to have a weapon in the Movie Theater, and in the Mall, and in schools. Or anywhere they put a little no guns allowed sign. Since it sounds like you don't have a conceal carry permit, you may not be aware of this.

Yes, if Bob gets a conceal carry permit he knows how to point and shoot at someone that is attacking him. Will he turn into Bruce Willis? Who knows? Let's allow them to carry and in those places and you will see these high body count crazies reduced dramatically. Gun free zones are where these things happen. Ironic isn't it?

I have never seen such a sign. Ever.

No. We already know what will happen. Bruce Willis isn't real. Nor is James Bond. You put an armed civilian into a tactical combat situation surrounded by other civilians and you'll just have an extra shooter.

You give people no credit, as if they're all just blithering idiots who couldn't possibly use a firearm correctly and efficiently. And how exactly is one kid with a gun a "tactical combat situation?"

I completely disagree.

When are you woken up in the middle of the night by an intruder, it's dark, your confused, you are incoherent because you just woke up, adrenaline is flowing, and you are in a tactical situation in which you have no information - you don't know if it's six guys with screw drivers, three guys with baseball bats, or two guys with AR15s. You can't turn on the light because it will give you away AND destroy your night vision. Then factor in a dog that is between you and the intruders, your wife that just woke up and has no idea she's just walked into the line of firing, PLUS a 12 year old kid who is generally clueless in the middle of the afternoon no less at 3am with shots going off.

Look at the guy who shot his own kid a few weeks ago. He thought someone was breaking in, turns out it was his son. His burning desire to protect himself just killed his son.

I don't live in fear. The two doors leading out are set so when they close they cannot be opened from the outside without a key, and we have an alarm system with a battery system.

Yeah ban guns, because ancient ass technology cant be reproduced in any home workshop.

http://onthefiringlines.com/wp-conte...1/akshovel.jpg

With a fucking shovel!

I'm not even gonna explain how retarded that argument is because you won't get it anyway.

Really, they banned booze once, want a history lesson on what happened next? ban guns and a week later you'll have underground production lines churning them out with absolutely zero barriers to anyone at all getting their hands on them.

The first semi automatic handgun was invented in 1893 by Hugo Borchardt. Just to clear some shit up, that was long assed time before CNC machines appeared. For fucks sake guns were made before anyone even had electricity.

But apparently in your world you need a cnc machine? Ok, here you go. $1275, not exactly a major economic hurdle. http://www.robotshop.com/sherline-54... _campaign=jos

Heres a mac-10
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...T/DSCF2516.jpg
Now point out the part(s) you are claiming are impossible to be reproduced?

Or are your trying to say no one at all will step up to fill a supply void and get filthy rich much like they didn't when heroin was banned?

fuck.. I can go to home depot tomorrow morning and have a pistol that shoots 12 gauge shotgun shells made before your ass rolls out of bed using 9 inches of 3/4 inch steel pipe (a 12 gauge shell fits in perfectly) 6 inches for the barrel and 3 for the handle, also need a end cap, a couple roofing nails and a spring. $7-8. And no, it wont blow my hand off when it fires.

Oh and here you go, the manufacturing process of turning a shovel into a fuckin ak-47 with pictures, no cnc machine anywhere to be found.
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbu...=1#post2695046

Amaricans wanted their booze, and they got it!
Americans want their weed, meth, heroin, crack, cocaine, acid, mushrooms and they get that shit too, easily.
300+ million guns out there, any question if Americans will want guns too?

WOW :thumbsup

Actually this sounds pretty bad and not democratic, but it is not the government who is knocking on your door but some related agency who just check if you play by the rules. And yes, I think it is very OK to check ppl occasionally who have guns. I know it is hard to understand as the laws are totally different there and this most likely sounds Insane to you :P But here not many men keep guns at home. Also, I think they only check w ppl w [serious] gun arsenal not everyone.

It's really up to the people of Connecticut to do something about this, start the ball rolling, get a campaign going while feelings are high. If they were to declare themselves gun-free- Connecticut forever, that anyone who visits and has a gun with them gets incarcerated, maybe it could kick-start something good. Crocodile tears from the President won't, that was embarrassing to watch. Time for America to grow up.

I haven't read the whole thread, but as a Non-US 'outsider' I saw Michael Moore's movie Bowling for Columbine and what I know is that you can say this guy is demagogic but he is right on many topics. Do not let retarded ppl keep guns at home thats it. Do not let any kids be able to reach your gun thats it. If you don't take enough attention and your kid gets your gun and shots his classmate for some minor thing than you should spend your life in jail.

If it was indeed true that you could get bullets at any walmart than its obviously fucking BAD and it had to be changed :(

That is because these crazies seek out places that DO NOT ALLOW GUNS.
I heard that for the batman movie there were 7 other theaters close to where the gunman lived, even bigger more frequented ones. This one does NOT allow firearms.

Most of these cases the Shooters keep shooting until the Police arrive. The police arrive the commit suicide and then the Police Write the report...

NOTHING Could of prevented the shooting of that many kids unless there were armed guards at the school. (or guns were never invented)

I say Bring ALL of our troops home and place them around in places, like we did for the airports after 911. Money we are already spending!

As usual i do appreciate your attempt of insinuating that i might be stupid - i would suggest using a little math and add up the number of inhabitants of the other countries on that image, then add up their number of deaths and put each in relation.

Go to your mall today. Look on the door. Ask if you are allowed to carry your concealled weapon there. Better yet. Google the last few high body count shootings. Oregon, Aurora, and the recent school. See if they are "Gun Free" Zones. (hint: They all are)

You are the one that mentioned James Bond. Rochard, I understand you just want to feel safe, but if you don't own a gun, aren't trained, and have no desire to defend your home with one, I am not sure your opinion is an educated one. Do people accidentally shoot their friends and family? Do people sometimes accidentally run over their own children? Yes. Is owning a gun a huge responsibility? Yes.

The person that shot his son was not trained, and because he wasn't he made a mistake that killed his kid. If you don't want to defend your home, and your doors need a key to be opened (LOL) then that is great. But people that are prepared do not live in fear. I bet you don't live in fear of your house burning down either, but I bet its insured. I don't judge you for not wanting the awesome responsibility of your own defense. How you defend something depends on how much you value it.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

And your AR15 will fight off the governments unmanned drones and tanks. Right

And the 2nd amendment needs to be amended to reflect society today. Not when we had marauding British around and no army

seen the sign in bars several times :2 cents:

I do not give people credit at all. I've seen how the majority of the people drive, and that's plenty enough for me.

How is one kid with a gun a tactical situation? Any time you are faced with taking out a shooter it is in fact a tactical situation. In this case it was one "twenty year old kid" with an assault rifle in a school. If you were armed and present at the school, you would have to go room to room to find him and kill him. That's exactly what a tactical situation is.

My wife dragged me out the mall last night and I looked for such signs. I didn't see anything. I live in California.

I do own a gun, I am trained, but I understand that defending my home with a firearm is risky at best. The odds of me being able to defend myself in the middle of the night in the dark are slim at best. In the mean time, the odds of home invasion or a robbery are so slim that is unlikely to happen - do you know anyone who's house was broken into when they were in it, or do you know anyone who's house was involved in a home invasion? I'm forty-four years old and oddly enough, I don't know one person who has ever gone through this. The odds of me shooting a family member by accident is much greater.

I want the teachers to be able to have their own guns if they want them. The kid went room to room easily killing everyone. Nobody would be required to run to the aid of others. But they wouldn't all be sitting ducks. What is tragic is that nobody had any chance at all thanks to the school being "gun free" and homicidal crazy criminal friendly.

Call the mall and ask if you can carry a concealed weapon in it. Let us know. If you can, you are going to be less likely that a high body count kill will happen there.

I have a hard time believing your "I own a gun and am trained" but say you are against having one for defending your home because you may shoot your kid. Why do you have a gun again? I don't know anyone personally who's house has flooded, but I have flood insurance.

Those shoot a family member statistics I don't buy it. How many people do you know personally that own a gun? How many have accidentally killed a family member. They use Gang statistics to skew that number. You believe them, yet you claim to own a gun. Sure you do.

more guns are clearly a solution

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...D-UN-data3.jpg

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...loped-country/

but i have understood by now that many people in the US have a different mentality about that and i have given up arguing about it.

it just puzzles me that instead of being angry at the shooter that spoils it for the responsible gun owners, or having empathy for those who just lost a little child to a madman, the immediate reaction is always attacking anyone who even slightly suggests to rethink gun policies.

when owning a gun is more important than the smallest chance to prevent a tragedy like this, i think something is wrong.

but fortunately i live in places where i dont have to worry about that - i just feel sad for the parents and families that lost someone yesterday.

http://samuel-warde.com/2012/12/conc...m-world-video/ interesting info

just putting it out there. the school shooter was not a gun owner!!

Yes, clearly this is the properly solution. We need our kids surrounded by firearms on a daily basis.

No fucking way in the world I would want any of my kid's teachers to have a firearm in school. Most of them are female, less than a hundred pounds, and would cry at the thought of using a gun to shoot an animal no less attempt to take a man's life.

Out of all of my kid's teachers, there was only one of them I would ever consider able to handle a firearm.

Here in the US, assault rifles are legal, twenty six and seven year old kids KILLED. Meanwhile in China, assault rifles are banned, twenty kids got "wounded". See the difference?

You need to get out more.

http://www.gotbaddog.com/wp-content/...treet_7806.jpg

Are you familiar with the phrase "getting your foot in the door?"

I am sorry that is how you are interpreting it, not much I can do about how you interpret my comments. I asked the question of someone yesterday, perhaps you will field it; what year were those numbers taken from and how many were suicides? I don't accept a graphic as fact just because it is on the Internet.

The shooter shot himself, ending his own life.

I went to the mall last night, didn't see it. Went to half a dozen places outside of the mall too last night, didn't see it.

Perhaps where you live in California, you aren't allowed to have a CCW permit. That would certainly eliminate the need for the signs. Did you call and ask?

As soon as he realized he had a gun aimed at him. :thumbsup

All those guns around the school should be no problem. If someone started to use it you could call the police. Or just lock the doors like you do. With the police around and good locks why do you live in fear of guns?

You think it might have something to do with CA not being a right to carry state? Like I said, you need to get out more.