I wonder if a Daniel Sundin/Fabian connection will be officially made now.

It isnt being compared with US Law moron...thats german law from a German lawyer .... I bet if Fabian were to walk around a corner and stop real quick your head would fly so far up his ass they'd have to use the jaws of life to pull you free.

What is there to discuss? The guy's sitting on $100M+ because he saw on opportunity, had the technical and financial means to do it, and did it.

Just like in porn, the geeks with the traffic, the know-how, and the balls end up with the lion's share of the spoils, while the holier-than-thou content producers end up crying into their drinks and whining about how they earn a comparative pittance.

However the GFY content crew (like everyone's favourite self-aggrandizing know it all Robbie) don't want to hear that. They want to conveniently forget that the online adult industry was founded on content theft, card banging and bulk mailing. :1orglaugh

I will give you that one - CyberAge Dave was here until recently moaning about the state of the industry.

He was the original 'all content is free' guy.

Then we all looked shocked when he pissed off with the float....

Anyway - Enough of that BS - Whats it like at home? - Its been 12 years or more, is K Road still sleazy?

I'm mostly based in Asia these days and don't spend much time in NZ any more either but you know how it is - it doesn't change much. More Asians and Auckland property prices are through the roof - you won't get much change from a million for a reasonable house in a decent area. Every time I come back there are more strip malls and worse traffic. K Road is getting pretty gentrified now and is one of the hubs for annoying indie hipster types and there are a bunch of trendy nightclubs there now. DTM / The Staircase is now a flash multi level venue called The Studio. There is still a small amount of street prostitution around K Road but since prostitution was legalized in NZ, 99% of it has moved into private brothels run out of suburban houses, and there are no brothels on K Rd any more that I'm aware of. Recently a new upmarket strip club opened on the corner of K and Pitt St http://www.calendargirls.co.nz/ and the topless Las Vegas girl sign is still there. I'm back home right now for Christmas and the weather is awesome... Greetz from the 09 :smilie_we

I bet you're still upset about the fact I know who Vasilli Kasilis is :)

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Shhhhhhhhh. Come on bro.

LOL Good one


not true but good

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If the courts freeze his assets as expected there will be some short term financial strains on the adult industry.

People think Manwin/Fabian owned companies have a larger chunk of the production side of the business than do they. I know for a fact there are less than 10% of the business of the two largest agencies.

They are also aren't as big of an advertiser of the AVN as people think they are, again less than 10%

He's a porn webmaster not jason bourne :1orglaugh

Did you just complain about asian immegration into NZ whilst sayng that you spend most of your time in asia ?

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Well that is wonder of internet,it can be turn anyone into jason bourne :)

Good luck Fabian! :thumbsup

spend some time in the trenches and you'll see things differently :2 cents:

You do know Fabian trained him, don't you?

I did not read that at all.

You should read that again....

Thanks for that insight Dan.

I guess Fabian lied to me about that as well. He claims that his pay sites are HUGE and that the piracy (tube sites) end of his business is a tiny fraction compared to his paysites.

And of course he also said that his sites are shooting more than anyone else.

My concern about the AVN & XBiz shows were that since he owns a lot of the big companies that usually have booths and girls signing at the AEE show...that maybe this would make the show seem a little smaller if those companies (now Manwin owned) are unable to afford to be there in force?

The fact that are 10% is astounding. The smallest site still updates with a full scene everyday week or whatever. In the early 2000 we had hundreds if not a thousand pay sites. So hundreds of updates and now these guys are 10% and maybe even bigger if you listen to the shooters.

It would interesting if Germany seizes the assets as would they keep the sites running to be sold? They are very anti porn right?

Those who keep saying it is probably no big deal as it is just VAT or something are nuts. Those things start with letters and then you get people to deal with it. So his tax pele had to really fuck up for him to be sitting in jail and when that is the case, I assume you cut the check to get the fuck out and fight after.

Why are you concerned about xbix or avn shows?

Protective custody isnt that bad. Boring as hell but not as bad being in general population.

Christmas in jail sucks but hey.... you play you pay.

You're misinterpreting the word "concerned" in the way I used it.

I just mean that if Manwin's multiple "properties" don't participate it will take away a large portion of the show for the fans.

Does that mean that the offer Fabian was babbling about to you in that discussion we were in on the other forum about wanting to buy DTI is now void? :1orglaugh

I was shocked at how cocky he was when he said that to you. On second thought, I guess I shouldn't be shocked at his out of control ego.

This point I am going to make is not about Fabian/Manwin but a generalization. Bottom line is whether you hate or love Fabian, you got to feel for anyone going through this kind of thing. The Gov't going after Fabian has more to do with how much money/fines they can levy on him and his company so they can get a piece of the pie. It's as simple as that. Gov'ts do this all the time. When they observe a huge business entity making a killing, the first thoughts in their mind is how they can screw that company with bogus charges so they can fine that company and extort the company into paying millions/billions in fines.

Prime examples:

Microsoft: They went after Microsoft for alleged monopolization and at the end of it all, they levied a huge fine and Microsoft paid it. And business went back to usual.

PokerStars: They went after Pokerstars in a similar manner 2011 by seizing their domain name alleging wrongdoing based on gambling and tax evasion. Pokerstars paid a huge fine, and the domains were returned to them and business went back to usual.

Tobacco Companies: Same thing, big fine, business went back to normal.

It's 2012 and so the gov't cash cow this year is Fabian/Manwin just like in 2011 it was Pokerstrs. Bottom line, it's a scam and it's all about the money for the gov't. Nothing more, nothing less. They see a big entity like Manwin and all they see is $$$$ that they can milk out in fines.

I missed that one.

2nd & 3rd page of the "1000 signups" thread over at the other board. Leroy pretty much told him it was out of his range. :)

Daniel is (probably) part of the 'wallstreet loan' :thumbsup
Fabian just runs Manwin and Daniel and Sam probably funded it all of those buy-outs.

Theo can comment better than this than I can, but as far as I know no one has pulled out of the show. The vast majority of girls at the show are with their with agencies.

As far as the smaller Manwin owned companies go there really aren't any.

Fabian/Manwin has made some high profile acquisitions of production companies including Digital Playground, Reality Kings and Twisty's and continues to shoot for his own companies MOFOs, Brazzers and Babes.

Again the smaller companies make up way more of the production pie than they do.

Like I stated in the beginning the no matter what happens to Fabian/Manwin this is going to be bad in the short term for the adult industry.

No one knows for certain for what will happen to Fabian/Manwin long term, but one thing is for certain production in adult industry will continue and survive.

Makes sense. :)

See you in Vegas!

I think that goes to the point Mike has been making all along...Fabian is nothing more that a frontman.

I mean, come on. Programmer guy suddenly has enough money to start buying programs left and right? 2+2=5 :error

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