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Voodoo 12-27-2012 07:23 PM

Always pick the one that you think it won't be, because Murphy's Law indicates that it will the the right one.

mikesouth 12-27-2012 07:29 PM

this is only true if the announcer does NOT know which door the car is behind

JamesM 12-27-2012 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GFED (Post 19392860)
Yes, it doesn't make sense when you look at it that way, which is the logical way to look at it. It has been Mythbusted though and did hold true.

edit: here is another good explanation


this guy in yt video is making it more complicated than it already is,

he says if you switch you have 66% chance of winning a car as he already knows that there is no car behind his 1st choice of door.

btw there are funny and good comments on this video on youtube .

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:thumbsupthe chances are never 1/3 to begin with, because you know he's going to open the goat door any way.


rogueteens 12-27-2012 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GFED (Post 19392860)
Yes, it doesn't make sense when you look at it that way, which is the logical way to look at it. It has been Mythbusted though and did hold true.

I have yet to see a single Mythbusters that would actually hold up to a real scientific anaylasis, every experiment they have ever done has been full of holes.

The video you posted was good though.

Dirty F 12-28-2012 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19393012)
this is only true if the announcer does NOT know which door the car is behind

Huh, no obviously he must know it or he might open the door with the car behind it.

Slappin Fish 12-28-2012 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 19392597)
1. you pick a door, 1/3rd of the time it's a winner... 2/3rds it's not...
2a. IF the chosen door is a winner (1/3rd chance) and you switch = you lose
2b. IF the chosen door is not a winner (2/3rd chance) and you switch = you win

so by using the "switching" strategy, you win 2/3rds of the time...


1. What is the probability of winning the car by always switching?
2. What is the probability of winning the car given the player has picked door 1 and the host has opened door 3?

The answer to the first question is 2/3, as is correctly shown by the "simple" solutions. But the answer to the second question is now different: the conditional probability the car is behind door 1 or door 2 given the host has opened door 3 (the door on the right) is 1/2. This is because Monty's preference for rightmost doors means he opens door 3 if the car is behind door 1 (which it is originally with probability 1/3) or if the car is behind door 2 (also originally with probability 1/3). For this variation, the two questions yield different answers. However as long as the initial probability the car is behind each door is 1/3, it is never to the contestant's disadvantage to switch, as the conditional probability of winning by switching is always at least 1/2. (Morgan et al. 1991)

There is disagreement regarding whether vos Savant's formulation of the problem, as presented is asking the first or second question.

source: wikipedia


you are answering question number one so yes probability is 2/3 , but the way Frank worded it with door 1 already picked and door 3 opened it's question number two. 1/2

Jel 12-28-2012 03:07 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningzone/cl...ned/11261.html Video explanation that's easy to understand :thumbsup

Dirty F 12-28-2012 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 19393323)
but the way Frank worded it with door 1 already picked and door 3 opened it's question number two. 1/2

No, because there is a 2 in 3 chance it's behind door 2 or 3. So by picking the door that is left from those 2 (he eliminated one of them) you still have a 2 in 3 chance.

Dirty F 12-28-2012 03:17 AM

^--- notice how i explained it in 2 sentences? I could've done it in 1 actually.

:)

Slappin Fish 12-28-2012 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19393326)
No, because there is a 2 in 3 chance it's behind door 2 or 3. So by picking the door that is left from those 2 (he eliminated one of them) you still have a 2 in 3 chance.

Your title is right but probability of winning by always switching is a distinct concept from the probability of winning by switching given the player has already picked door 1 and the host has already opened door 3. The title and the example you gave are two slightly distinct propositions. If you announce before a door has been opened you plan to switch you'll get 2/3 not if you already made your pick and host already opened door 3. Anyway yeah better to just always switch.

Dirty F 12-28-2012 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 19393337)
If you announce before a door has been opened you plan to switch you'll get 2/3 not if you already made your pick and host already opened door 3.

Still then. Because there is still a 2/3 chance it's behind one of the 2 other doors. No matter what.

Edit: i now understand you. You mean he already opened the door. That doesn't make sense. I mean that's a completely different situation.
Then there simply are 2 doors. Not 3.

Slappin Fish 12-28-2012 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19393341)
Still then. Because there is still a 2/3 chance it's behind one of the 2 other doors. No matter what.


Well no because he ruled out a door. 1 pick left. 2 doors left. 1/2

Edit : saw your edit yeah that's what I mean. Your title is correct but this example for some reason often used is actually a slightly different question

Dirty F 12-28-2012 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 19393343)
Well no because he ruled out a door. 1 pick left. 2 doors left. 1/2

Then you know the other door that you didn't pick originally has a 2 in 3 chance of having a car behind it.

woj 12-28-2012 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19393577)
Then you know the other door that you didn't pick originally has a 2 in 3 chance of having a car behind it.

Slappin Fish is right, the solution changes if by "door #1" and "door #3" you mean a specific door, not just a label to illustrate the problem... :2 cents:

Jel 12-28-2012 09:38 AM

no he isn't - watch the video link I posted a couple posts back.

Dirty F 12-28-2012 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 19393782)
Slappin Fish is right, the solution changes if by "door #1" and "door #3" you mean a specific door, not just a label to illustrate the problem... :2 cents:

No, it does not.

mikesouth 12-28-2012 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19393276)
Huh, no obviously he must know it or he might open the door with the car behind it.

thats the point if he always knows and always pics one of the two doors that are NOT the right one the odds if you change are 2/3

if he doesnt know and randomly pics a door (and 33% of the time it has the car) then the odds are also 66%

there are variations

lets say he doesnt always off the choice, since he knows where the car is he can manipulate things....say you guess correctly and that is the only time he offers the choice or he only offers it if you guess wrong.

but those strategies would be easy to figure out

NOW it can be shown that if he always opens a door when the contestant is right and half the time when he's wrong--a perfectly rational approach--over the long haul the odds of the prize being behind Door #1 versus Door #2 are 50-50.

Jel 12-28-2012 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19394039)
thats the point if he always knows and always pics one of the two doors that are NOT the right one the odds if you change are 2/3

if he doesnt know and randomly pics a door (and 33% of the time it has the car) then the odds are also 66%

there are variations

lets say he doesnt always off the choice, since he knows where the car is he can manipulate things....say you guess correctly and that is the only time he offers the choice or he only offers it if you guess wrong.

but those strategies would be easy to figure out

NOW it can be shown that if he always opens a door when the contestant is right and half the time when he's wrong--a perfectly rational approach--over the long haul the odds of the prize being behind Door #1 versus Door #2 are 50-50.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningzone/cl...ned/11261.html

If you pick a door, before there are only 2 doors left, there is never a 50/50 chance at any point. Forget the fact there are only 2 doors LEFT, the fact is you are picking when there are more than 2 doors, so the odds are never 50/50, regardless if you whittle unopened doors from 3 (or a hundred, to grasp it) doors to 2 doors.

Jel 12-28-2012 12:08 PM

I posted the clip again because it's obvious no-one watched it.


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