You can use hindsight to say these things, but I have to believe if she thought he would use guns on others, she would not have had them around. Remember, he shot her in the face four times. Let's put her in jail for not knowing in advance that her baby would do such a thing. But how many troubled kids play Call of Duty, and like military hardware? I like a little COD myself. How many troubled kids have shrinks? If she thought there was a 1% chance of this happening she would have not risked her life having guns around him. She died because of it. You can not arrest someone that has never committed a crime. What percentage of children that have shrinks, and play violent video games actually shoot people? It's a pretty good gamble that it isn't going to happen. It is so rare that it makes national and worldwide news when it does. But when they do, the only thing that can keep the body count down is to have an opposing force in place, whether it be guards, or armed citizens. Otherwise, we have to wait till the only guy with a gun in the place gets tired of killing people.

actually the general public doesn't have full access to schools. my daughter high school was fenced with a guard. when I went on campus I had to go the office and check in.... I was not able to wonder around at will. and a few guards is a quicker fix, and cheaper than tracking down psychopaths or trying to take guns away from people. either as a nation we are serious about safety in schools or it's just political bullshit and great news drama :2 cents:

works for me

works for me as well... think Africans and South Americans and East Asians and Ukrainians, and Middle Easterners, and Indians, and Pakistanis, and well.... I work on this list for hours ... should stay home as well? I'm sorry I hadn't realized ... about you... :thumbsup

I wouldn't be surprised if no members of the NRA ever went on a killing spree :2 cents:

They already cut PE and after school sports, what else will they cut to afford this?

The general public has full access to the local schools. Local schools host tons of events; The school up the street where my kid used to go to has a church that uses the gym on Sunday mornings.

My kid is in grade school, but yet I know the layout of the high school by heart. I've attended meetings in the library, the small (old) gym, and the band room. My kid has given choir performances in the new gym, and last week we had to turn in our fund raising money to some stranger in the teacher's lounge. I also spent a Saturday afternoon painting over graffiti at the high school. I went to every home football game on Friday nights; On Saturdays the entire football field, the grounds, the snack bar, and the security is controlled by my wife who runs the local youth sports league. During a football game there are three points of access - the front gate and the side gate for everyone, and the back gate for staff members - all of which are manned by volunteers filling up their volunteer hours. If you don't want to pay to get into the football game, you just park in the main parking lot, walk around the new gym, and your in - no problem.

I can tell you the same about my kid's prior school too, although during the day they lock up the school. Then again, any jackass can pop the curb and park their car next to the fence to gain access.

I can tell you the same about my kid's current school. Three points of access up front including a chain link fence gate for cars, but the back gate is the worst - The kids do PE on the track and the lower sports fields which means the back gate is always open.

This kid live in that town for years. He's been to that school dozens of times. If it wasn't for some sports league awards ceremony or some after school event or sports practice, then maybe some kind of "fall festival" or even open house when he went with a friend.

Schools are soft targets. They can put up fences all they want and try to restrict access, but anyone can get over those fences easily.

All I'm saying is securing a school is going to very difficult. It's not an airport or courthouse where access is extremely limited; Most of us know all about our local schools and have total access after hours.

But how could she not have seen this coming?

The kid checks all of the boxes of being a potential problem. He was a loner in school, not well liked, mediocre in school, had mental health issues to the point where he had a psychiatrist assigned to him in high school, he flunked out of college, didn't have a job, and locked himself up playing violent video games while surrounded by posters of firearms and military hardware.

A week before the shooting she was quoted as saying "I'm losing him". The very moment the kid was seeing the psychiatrist she should have said "Gee, maybe having firearms in the house isn't such a good idea".

Was she guilty of a crime? I have no idea. She enabled her son to have access to an assault rifle that killed twenty kids. If she didn't have firearms in the house, those kids would be alive today. You tell me if she's guilty or not.

What's even worse... This kid could have gone out and legally purchased a firearm. Maybe they have an age restriction in CT, but he would have passed a background check with no problem. That's fucking scary.

QTF. :thumbsup

She had no idea that he would do what he did. Neither did his Psychiatrist. You make my point that you can't stop a crazy person from doing damage before they do it. Only thing you can do is stop them as quickly as possible. He tried to buy a gun btw, and was rejected. But even if he had bought it. He was not a criminal until he did what he did. But thanks to gun free zones, he was able to do it unopposed. When a mom says I'm losing him, do you really think that means he will go homicidal? The odds against someone doing what he did are astronomical. More people win lotteries than do this. It is nice to get inflamed and want to try to make laws to fix things I guess, but there were plenty of laws to stop him. But laws don't stop criminals. They just help put them away after the crime is already done.

That sounds like a great argument. Problem is, the President's kids go to a school with armed guards in the double digits, and on top of that the secret service (armed guards) is there. So obviously the elites don't think it makes their kids less protected. But, the President does agree that our kids shouldn't have armed guards. The NRA would have liked the teachers to be allowed to protect themselves, but the laws were against them. So, the crazed killer picked the obvious soft target, and went unopposed. You will find "Gun Free Zones" are where these guys strike. The NRA does not want these Zones.

the high schools in the palm desert are like forts Richard, in fact my ex wife is a 6th grade teacher out there, her cars was fucked up by shotgun blast in the parking lot during a 'fight' between the 12 years old gangbangers...

yes nuts always go for the soft targets, and so do criminals

Despite being very good, english is not my first language and I assume that I did not effectively communicate my opinion.

I think that if the citizens are unable (or not willing) to seriously address their social problems with anything other than short sighted quick fix responses. Then a giant wall should be built around the entire United States to turn it into a massive prison to keep all the United States citizens inside. Furthermore any american citizen not currently living in the United States should deported back to the United States.

Then when all the people of the United States are safely behind the "wall". They can hurry up and finish killing each other.

The culture of the United States is one of war. The average american appears to glorify violence. And regardless of the nature of any problem confronting their society, the first and most popular response is to confront situation with more violence.

But why didn't she know there was a possibility he was going to go off the deep end and kill people? He ticked plenty of the boxes...

- a loner in school
- was assigned a shrink in high school
- obsessed with firearms and violent video games
- dropped out of college and unemployed

How could she NOT see this?

My friend I talk about is 48, diabetic, mentally stuck at age 16 due to multiple brain surgeries, divorced twice, has two kids in a foreign country that barely know him, hasn't gotten laid in twenty years, is former military, on more medication than anyone I've never met, and he's armed with an AR15. (If that's not enough he worked at the post office and has a massive grudge against them too!) There is nothing any of us can do - he can legally own a firearm and it's perfectly legal. He's the perfect candidate to go off into the deep end and kill people, yet there is not a single law in place to prevent this....

Like a fort how? My kid calls their school a prison - and it looks like it with a turret and huge metal fence around it. The other side has a chain link fence.

Palm Desert High School (On Aztec road) has a huge football field behind it. I'm guessing that too is surrounded by a chain link fence - most schools are. That's very secure, right? I mean, it's not like any 12 year old girl can't scale a chain link fence, right? (Nice pool, btw.)

And while I'm talking about the high school in your home town, that's a huge freaking school. How many armed guards do you think it will take to cover all of that? Three? Six?

I'm sorry about no matter what our schools are soft targets. Anyone can pull up and start firing shoots. If they can't get in during school hours, all they need to do is show up at 7:45am when the majority of the kids are arriving.