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I'm thinking that back in the "wild west" days you were required to check your weapons at the bar to make sure no altercations went crazy and ended up in a bloodbath.
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U.S. Constitution - Article 3 Section 3 Article 3 - The Judicial Branch Section 3 - Treason Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. |
One thing that irritates me is when people say the founding fathers had no idea that people would one day invent modern assault rifles so that means the second amendment is out of date. Really? Most of the founding fathers were men of science, some were actual scientists. They were also very well read, some owned libraries and were well versed in history. I am confident they were well aware that weapons of war would advance over the years. Weapons have always advanced since the most primitive of times, so to think the founding fathers were not capable of knowing that paints them as some sort of cave men. They knew weapons would improve over the time, and they wanted the people's weapons to keep up with that.
My issue with gun control has to do with the distant future. It won't be in the next 100 years, maybe not even the next 200 years. But one day, some asshole is going to try to take over the world again. There will be another Hitler somewhere in the world someday. And as long as Americans are armed, they will never end up in gas chambers or concentration camps. I know that sounds crazy, but it will happen again one day. Some asshole will build an army and try to march over other countries. |
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It's one of the ones used by the Coast Guard (so it doesn't rust as easily from the salt air). Plus it just looks freakin' cool. I figure if I ever actually have to use it (which I don't think I will), I'll look cool filling some burglar up with a thousand holes of bird shot. (and that will make him wish he were dead) |
Move past the founding father bullshit.
I don't care what they intended anymore. Men that WANT to be free WILL be free. You don't need daddy holding your hand. |
Welcome Jesus to ignoring clear concise and deeply thoughtful individuals.
But you seriously need to get one thing perfectly clear pal, nobody holds my fucking hand and never will. |
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Then why is the police armed? With the anti-gun logica unarmed cops result in much safer streets, why not start there?
No law or amendment has to be changed for that just take the guns of the cops, problem solved. In the schoolyards it worked! Take away the guns of the good guys and it will be all OK i promise you. |
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If guns are banned then only criminals will have guns. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol. It's not working for drugs right now. Why would it work for guns?
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You think making guns is comparable to some hillbilly boiling water in a still in his backyard or a kid growing a plant in his closet? |
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A fantasy? Ever hear of this country called the USA that overthrew an oppressive government (arguable one of the most powerful) and started their own? Having gone through that, they wanted to make sure the people would be the ones with the power, not the government. The right to bear arms is to protect against one's OWN government not just foreign threats. |
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I brought up alcohol and drugs to give examples of how bans don't have the desired effect. |
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The British had cannon, and a super well trained army with the very BEST guns you could get in the world at the time. The Continental Army started as something we'd call "terrorists" today. Using guerilla warfare, ambushing the British soldiers, blowing them up (primitive versions of roadside bombings), etc. Once the rebels (patriots as we call them) showed that they meant business with their muskets...we started getting foreign aid (the French for instance) and building a semblance of a ragtag army and navy to fight the war. But it took a very bloody, hard fought EIGHT YEARS to overthrow the British ruling govt. in the "colonies". So yes...IF the entire nation rose up against the U.S. govt. with rifles, shotguns, etc. I do believe it could be done. Especially if they did as the founding fathers did back then...take over some of the military bases. All it would take is a few generals in the current military establishment to side with the "rebels" and it could very well happen. But they would have to believe it's serious before they did something that radical. Disarm the country and there would be nothing left for the U.S. Govt. to stop it from taking all of our freedom. Nothing credible could ever be mounted against an oppressive future leader. Hell, Baby Jesus Obama won't always be President you know. Down the line a true madman could weasel his way in. Look at The Civil War. Going by what you're saying, it could never have happened. But it did and it was a hard fought bloody war that could have went either way at first. Do I think that you and me and a few hundred guys with guns could overthrow the govt.? No. Do I think that you, me, a few million people with guns could? Yes. Just look at what happened in Libya. And look what's happening in Syria. |
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Also our gov isnt set up so some madman can take over. also when people talk about hitler, people forget he had the support of the german people at the time. He was elected in. |
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Number one...the British Army & Navy was the most powerful one on Earth at that time (just like the U.S. is now). So yes, their fire power, quality of weapons (their "muskets" didn't jam or blow up in their faces for instance) were far superior to what the Continental "Army" had. And the Civil War example was to show you that YES if a group were organized (like the CSA was) and had it's own manufacturing and former USA generals and forts and equipment come over to their side...then YES it can definitely pose a credible threat to the federal govt. |
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more people drinking isn't going to cut down on drunk driving
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Of course if it was just a few guys with guns the outcome would be immediate. But if (just like the civil war), half the military were to defect to the people trying to overthrow a tyrannical govt. then it would be a different situation. It's not gonna happen anyway. But I'm just pointing out that once the citizenry is disarmed...then even that tiny bit of possibility is gone. But I do absolutely believe that if somehow our govt. went "rogue" and people rose up against it en-mass then the results would be very different than the US military vs. a few guys with guns. The military would think twice before killing their own families and friends. Especially if the mood of the country was so anti-govt. at the time and large portions of the military began defecting. It just happened in Libya, and it's happening in Syria. Again, I'm not saying that will happen here. Tony is right...Americans have it too good. We are all more worried about getting the newest tech gadget than we are about our freedom and rights. So if enough people in this country really want to disarm themselves...then the 2nd amendment should be scrapped. Anything else is unconstitutional and just us arguing over nothing. Maybe you guys are right. We are all doomed anyway and slaves to the govt. In that case, let's just get rid of the 2nd amendment and move forward from there wherever it may take us. Hell, this country is probably gonna limp along in a somewhat recognizable form during our lifetimes anyway. Let the people 100 years from now worry about not having a 2nd amendment right to bear arms. We'll all probably be long dead before the U.S. govt. becomes completely tyrannical. |
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If the goal is to stop violent crimes from happening, I don't think banning guns is the solution. The thought many people have is that if there are less guns there will be less gun related crimes. That leads people to think "hey, let's ban guns". There are 2 problems with this. 1) Gun bans will not prevent criminals from getting guns. Disarming lawful citizens prevents them from protecting themselves. The risk to a criminal is now decreased and disarmed citizens are much easier prey. As a result this will only increase crime. A gun ban will widen the gap disparity between criminals and citizens ability to protect themselves (in favor of the criminals). 2) If the concentration of guns determines the likelihood of violent crimes then wouldn't a gun show be the most likely place for a massacre, not schools? The fact is that there is less crime in areas of high gun ownership. In the presence of well armed citizens, the probability of pulling off a successful crime is much less and the risk of bodily harm to a criminal is much greater. In order to rationalize a gun ban, it must first be proven that decreasing guns per capita will reduce crime and that implementing a gun ban will indeed reduce the amount of criminals with guns. I think both of those assumptions are false but I am open to changing my mind should a rational argument and supporting evidence be presented. |
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The problem is when government stops being US. When $$$ corrupts the system, We The People aren't heard. When people can't be bothered to learn the names of their Congressmen and Senators, the system gets away from us. |
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What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.
-- Thomas Jefferson Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them. --Thomas Paine |
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Did you decide to "experiment" on poor black people and deliberately give them STD's and fake treatments just to see what would happen to them? No? Me neither. Did YOU decide to go to an undeclared war in Vietnam? Nope? Me neither. Did YOU decide to have our CIA promote disruption and destabilization of govt.'s and assassinate leaders in South and Central America? Nope? Me neither. Did YOU decide to start a "war on drugs" against the citizens of this country? No? Me neither. Did YOU decide to invade Afghanistan when a handful of guys with box cutters hijacked and crashed planes on 9-11? No? Me neither. Did YOU decide to invade Iraq "pre-emptively"? No? Me either. GrantMercury...our govt. is NOT "us". It's a group of totally corrupt lifetime politicians who are bleeding this country dry. I seriously can not understand how any liberal minded person would want to give the govt. more money and more control over our lives. The liberal people I saw when I was young in the 1960's and 1970's were all about FREEDOM and protested against govt. control of their lives. This is like some kind of bizarro world where everything is upside down. I think that in time you and many others are going to come to regret your faux liberalism view of handing the govt. everything and taking your own rights and money away. |
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Who fucking throws out corrupt lifetime politicians? WE DO. Who demands changes in laws that aren't working? WE DO. We can have the country we want. But people have to fucking give a shit. People have to pay attention. People have to read newspapers. People have to think in the abstract. People have to know and regularly contact their lawmakers. People have to fucking VOTE! Forty percent don't even bother to do that. So why do you think the crooks have taken over? The government certainly isn't ALL bad. And the shit that's not working can be fixed IF WE INSIST on it. THAT is the beauty of America. THAT is the genius of the Constitution. Bellyaching about corruption and giving up is bullshit. Every positive piece of legislation passed in government came about because the people demanded it, and in some cases fought for it, and even died for it. There have been so many positive changes in America's short history. None of it happened as a result of people sitting on their asses, throwing up their hands, and moaning about "gubment". And who ever said anything about giving the government more money or control over our lives, anyway? |
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I am sad to say that Harry Reid is my Senator. And he is about the perfect example of a lifetime corrupt politician as you will see. "WE" aren't voting anybody out. "WE" are doing what you did...letting the media tell you who and what to vote for. And did anything change? No. Even the bill for Hurricane Sandy disaster relief...it's FULL of pork barrel spending! It has $8 MILLION dollars to buy cars for Homeland Security personnel. $150 MILLION for fisheries in Alaska. 13 BILLION dollars for planning for future disasters!!!!! The list goes on: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...Elj4CKwbheEV0N THAT is your precious federal govt. full of fucking crooks at "work". Wake up man. You're not cut from the same cloth as say an Abbie Hoffman. You're more of the "sheeple" variety than a true liberal who loves freedom. |
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At least here we know the politicians are crooks and most, sadly, wear it as a badge of honor. In America its biz as usual "what me?" while the right hand is behind the back taking the $ and fucking someone.
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Also as long as Humans are in gov it will never be pure. In the constitution slaves had no rights and there were people who had a problem with that but the author had a shitload of slaves. So he was taking care of his interests. Also we see all the time guys in office forever get voted out. You dont like Harry what did you do to get him out besides bitch on gfy? People can still change things, look at gay rights, those people work tirelessly to make that happen and its happening. Also something else interesting the Thomas Jefferson lines about fighting and blood and he never fought in the war. He wrote great documents but he was a young man there is no excuse why he didnt take up arms.You never hear the people who were actually in battle making the chicken hawk statements. I guess things really do never change. |
Guns don't make revolutions, ideas do.
You win the majority over to your way of thinking and you can take power. The army defected to the people in the Russian Revolution etc... Societies without guns look on with in credulity at the USA killing its own children. Do you think we all despair that we can't change the government because we have no guns? More important to have a better TV and mass media than guns. There is no reason why anyone should be armed in a peacefully society - including the police. |
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First, maybe they don't want to. They've seen enough shit and horror to last them a lifetime. Next, it's expensive. Assuming they would be paid what an average security guard makes ($55k) it would cost $4 Billion a year to place one in every school across the US Finally, it's a bandaid solution that patches a problem instead of curing it. |
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So the real question is why was this guy not stopped -- he carried concealed weapons into a school and that is a crime. "Lanza was found dead next to three guns, a semi-automatic .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle and two pistols made by Glock and Sig Sauer, a law enforcement source told CNN." The guy was a nutjob, he intended to massacre -- you might not stop one maniac. |
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Of course you don't. But if you read your post Tony, you too used it for politics. You started attacking Republicans. What does that have to do with what I am pointing out? The federal govt. is a bunch of crooks. It doesn't matter what political party they claim to be in. The whole thing is nothing more than a GIANT money collection agency. The rest is just for show. And if you think that any politician in Washington D.C. really gives a shit about your "safety" then you are sadly mistaken. They are all packing guns and surrounded with guns. And their kids are surrounded with guns. It's just like everything else they do in Washington...from spending more than they take in, to the schools they send THEIR children to (private schools), to their health care (single pay...govt. funded), to their ability to play the market with inside information, and the list goes on and on. What is GREAT for them...is no good for peasants like you and I. Guns, private school, health care, insider trading, spending "free" money like a drunken sailor...that's for those ELITE Democrat and Republican crooks in Washington D.C. to do. We are all expected to live under their heels and pay them for the privilege. And if a tiny percentage of us are still able to rise up and live the same lifestyle that the politicians do (the EVIL rich people), then they use the media to get people to resent that and have culture warfare. The people we SHOULD be angry at and protesting...are the lifetime corrupt politicians in Washington D.C. You know, the way REAL liberals did in the 1960's and 1970's when the REAL press didn't take their marching orders from Washington and actually investigated and reported the bullshit that the govt. was pulling. |
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