Originally Posted by 6South (Post 19404577)

What fucking planet do you live on? We already have background checks for every weapon purchase, waiting periods in multiple states (as well as full blown gun bans regardless of constitutional compliance). Gun shows have the same requirements as any gun shop - a federal background check, valid ID, etc.

What people oppose are further bans and regulations that only affect legal, compliant gun owners.

Criminals do not buy their guns legally. They steal them or buy them illegally from someone else who stole them. Gun owners are sick and tired of endless legal hoops and regulations that have zero effect on crime.

This country really is stuffed full of sheep, easily led on whatever issue the TV is pushing. When all the added regulations and even full blown bans in various places make absolutely no difference in crime that should tell you something. No amount of regulation or banning will stop criminals, period.

The only group putting assault rifles into the hands of violent criminals en masse would be the ATF. Come up with a rational explanation for that one and then ask yourself why the Feds would want to ban guns. It's sure as hell not to reduce crime or stop mass murders.

Originally Posted by GrantMercury (Post 19410371)

And I stand by my criticism of Libertarians. Most are selfish pricks who flatly refuse to accept we are a society. They'll tell you they were raised by wolves, taught themselves to read & write, and never benefitted from any social program or taxpayer-funded project. They hunt and prepare their own food, home school their kids, have a volunteer fire department in their town, and read Ayn Rand by candlelight in their self-made log cabin. Therefore they're being robbed by the government when they pay taxes. They're certain they're the only ones who get up early and "bust their hump" to live while the rest (or at least 47%) choose to collect welfare and live the high life. And we're supposed to take them seriously.

Originally Posted by DTK (Post 19410578)

Are we supposed to take your ignorant blanket generalizations seriously?

Originally Posted by DTK (Post 19410872)

Alright, just for fun, I'm gonna take these one by one. I've been voting libertarian for 20+ years. If you want to put a simplistic label on me (which you seem fond of doing), you'd label me a pragmatic/progressive libertarian.


I'm no more of a selfish prick than the next guy AND i completely accept and embrace that we are a society.


I was primarily raised by 3 human women. My mom, grandmother and aunt. As far as I know, no wolves were involved.
My grandmother taught me how to read and write.
I have benefitted from social programs and/or taxpayer-funded projects


I have done none of these things. Well, I've prepared my own food...


I do believe we are often robbed by the government, ON BEHALF OF large corporations and other big money interests, and the lazy 5ish% who want to do nothing more than subsist on welfare etc. Anyone who looks into the numbers will see that Corporate Welfare is FAR, FAR greater than the welfare paid out to the lazy 5ish%.


Anyone who makes a few minutes of effort to identify the alleged 47% will find out that 85-90% of them are the elderly and the working poor.

That said, i think 99% of people (regardless of their political leanings) don't make any effort to do their own homework. Instead, they just regurgitate talking points and have nothing to offer when asked to defend their positions.

At that point, they usually do one (or more) of four things:
1) Disappear from the discussion
2) Change the subject
3) Ignore comments that challenge their positions
4) Do silly things like make ignorant blanket statements about those they are ignorantly criticizing, post ignorant silly images about those they are ignorantly criticizing, etcetera etcetera.
Does this last bit make you look in the mirror a bit? It should.

Originally Posted by xXXtesy10 (Post 19410881)

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19410542)

Really? So Lincoln didn't use his powers to cause change within Washington D.C. and twist enough arms to bring the issue of slavery to a head? And he didn't write the Emancipation Proclamation?

And FDR didn't "stop anything"? And Lyndon Johnson?

Originally Posted by GrantMercury (Post 19410909)

Marriage equality is a perfect, recent example. The public has been way ahead of policy on the issue - and Obama came out and said he supports gay marriage. Would he have if the support wasn't already there? NFW.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19408506)

As for the mass killings:
Here are 22 children killed in China by a guy with a knife last month:
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...-in-china?lite

Originally Posted by DTK (Post 19410929)

Dude, seriously. Stop blowing obama. I know I'm pissing in the wind saying that, but....

Yes he stood up for gay marriage. Props.


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Originally Posted by DTK (Post 19410929)

Dude, seriously. Stop blowing obama. I know I'm pissing in the wind saying that, but....

Yes he stood up for gay marriage. Props.

He's also the guy who promised he wouldn't bother MMJ dispensaries, then his DOJ made more raids on dispensaries in 4 years than Bush II did in 8!!

Far, far, FAR more importantly, he's also the guy who (while campaigning in 2008) talked tough about the Wall St fraudsters who nearly crushed our economy. "It will be a new era on Wall St" :1orglaugh:error:disgust:disgust
Then he did NOTHING about them once he got into office.

Do you think that might have something to do with the fact that the big banks were his biggest campaign contributors in 2008? That's a fact. Look it up.

He's just another crooked politician. 'Hope and change' was nothing but a slogan.

Follow the money. See sig.

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 19411227)

You are shooting down your own argument ...:1orglaugh

The 22 children in China were not killed , but WOUNDED ...


If the guy would of have an assault rifle , those kids would have been dead :2 cents:

Originally Posted by DTK (Post 19410872)

Alright, just for fun, I'm gonna take these one by one. I've been voting libertarian for 20+ years. If you want to put a simplistic label on me (which you seem fond of doing), you'd label me a pragmatic/progressive libertarian.
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Originally Posted by GrantMercury (Post 19412372)

Just listened to an interview with Jesse Ventura. He always makes a shit-ton of sense. He seems to fit the "pragmatic/progressive libertarian" profile. I liked everything he had to say.

http://www.popfi.com/wp-content/uplo...se-ventura.jpg

He shouldn't go out in public looking like Riff Raff from Rockey Horror, but he's a smart fucking guy.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OHdATufynr...-o-brien-1.jpg