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directfiesta 01-03-2013 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19406926)
Translation: I can't, so I won't because I know it's a losing argument but I still want to appear smart by feigning intelligence.

No, Richard was smart enough to realize that there was no point in trying to educate you ... Your mind is already made up ..

I hope one day someone will build a golf course on the tombs of your ancestors :2 cents:

TheSquealer 01-03-2013 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Elli (Post 19407183)
I think the native response to that argument would be:
There are no more migrating herds over the plains to follow and eat. There are no available fertile river deltas and valleys in which to operate traditional farms and fisheries. The only land left is marginal at best and can only support very small, remote populations. The original compromise of allowing Canada to put them in self-governed communities has been reneged on due to Canada's inability to provide the basics such as clean water and health services.

I don't know much about Canada and any specific issues relating to indigenous peoples. My point was simply that ALL north american natives have the same problems and the same tales of woe. But again, all these people talking about heritage, culture and tradition aren't out trying to hunt and fish and live exclusively off the land. They are working in casinos, selling fireworks and enjoying their free medical, education and so on... OR they are drunk, high or in jail.

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There is no possible way for them, other than the far northern communities maybe, to maintain a traditional lifestyle. They can't live in isolation and yet next door to large cities. What the best answer is remains to be seen.
Yeah, everyone has to live next door to large cities. Thats the only option for someone who's purported dream is to live on salmon, seal, whale and walrus meat and be free of the white man who's "oppressed" him. Canada is a big place. As is Alaska. As is the US.

_Richard_ 01-03-2013 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19407305)
You haven't said anything, you fucking halfwit.

very good.. this is the internet

Spunky 01-03-2013 06:20 PM

The white devils drink all my Lucky beer

CDSmith 01-04-2013 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JesseQuinn (Post 19406925)
it's actually not all that funny. It's something called 'scenic tours', wherein Indigenous people picked up by the cops mysteriously end up frozen to death in the middle of nowhere with no clothing to protect them from the elements. Yeah, that's hilarious:(

I'm gonna stop reading this thread now, but thank you Richard et al. for your comments

You have quite the imagination. I'll give you that much.

CDSmith 01-04-2013 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 19407021)
Really? That is horrible if true. Freezing is a terrible way to die. Do you have any articles or anything I can read on this?

Of course he doesn't.

_Richard_ 01-04-2013 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 19408238)
Of course he doesn't.

what newspaper would report it? who would care?

but since it's all 'of course'

can you find some reference to slave taxidermy? there has got to be at least ONE mention of a slave owner stuffing his slave right?

'of course there is'

_Richard_ 01-04-2013 09:55 AM

and victory: http://pm.gc.ca/eng/media.asp?catego...eId=49&id=5213

TheSquealer 01-04-2013 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 19407314)
No, Richard was smart enough to realize that there was no point in trying to educate you ... Your mind is already made up ..

I grew up with this stuff. I spent my summers growing up in native villages in Alaska. I spent my summers watching people drink, rape, shoot and stab each other all summer long. I watched an old man try to shoot his wife and kids right in front of me with a 12 gauge shotgun simply because he was drunk and snapped as they tend to do. I've got 1000 stories just like that. Later, I moved to Washington and surprise, surprise, same drunk, broke idiots with all the same stories and all the same excuses about how the "white man" made them what they were. In the meantime, those with brains leave and get their life together, get an education and build nice lives for themselves.

Go to any village in Alaska - whether its an Aleut village in the Aleutians or the most northern villages on the North Slope, ... the story is always the same. A bunch of drunks with nothing but excuses and non stop blather about culture, tradition and heritage as they walk out of their HUD financed home, get into their brand new bank financed Ford F150 and head to the supermarket as they babble about white man abusing them.

Guess what? Go to any reservation in Washington State... same exact shit. Poverty. Alcoholism. Drug abuse. Crime. They all blame white people for all their problems. No personal accountability... just excuses and blame.

I've seen and experienced enough alcoholism, drug abuse, violence and crime by natives in just my childhood alone to last me a lifetime. Unlike most, I am not posting about some fantasy based assumptions.

Does that mean 100% of these people are bad? Of course not. But their problems are many and their excuses are endless. Treating alcoholism and addiction begins with ones acceptance of the problem and personal accountability. However, the message by a misguided world is constantly "its not your fault", which ironically enables addiction and promotes the worst problems in these communities. In that respect, white people are to blame.

Alaska natives make very good money in most regions just for being an Alaskan Native (1/16th minimum). In addition to all the benefits, free medical care, education and so on, they also get paid. All the native groups are incorporated and they are largely the ones leasing land to oil companies, mining companies, lumber companies and so on. This money is divided in the communities. Coastal communities get a sizable chunk of Bering Sea fishing quotas for Pollock (worlds largest fishery), in spite of the fact that they never knew this fish existed until someone told them.

The net result of so much assistance is always the same. People become hobbled and mostly sit on their ass, collect checks, drink, fuck and do drugs.

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I hope one day someone will build a golf course on the tombs of your ancestors :2 cents:[/QUOTE]

Uhmm.. Ok, I wouldn't know if it happened. Wouldn't care. I'll be dead. I do not have the massive ego most have. I dont need to be remembered, I don't need to remember. One day i'll be dust, as will those who I love. I will be forgotten in a matter of a few years and no monument will change that fact.

Besides, what am I supposed to believe? That human population numbers will remain stable in perpetuity and all land as its used today will remain the same in 2000 years? Cemeteries are moved and paved over all the time, so your point is moot.

And by the way, I understand and agree that those without status, respect or influence are never going to stop trying to gain status, influence and respect. I personally take great offense at being blamed for someones drug addiction, alcoholism, molesting their children or other criminal behavior. That's on the individual, not me.

ilnjscb 01-04-2013 10:16 AM

Saskatoon freezing deaths

I think this is what he was referring to.

shimmy2 01-04-2013 04:24 PM

fitty NDNs

_Richard_ 01-04-2013 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 19408342)
Saskatoon freezing deaths

I think this is what he was referring to.

hmm didn't see that police were actually charged with it

what i was talking about was what i heard around vancouver.. no body is freezing to death here

but the thought is the same

_Richard_ 01-04-2013 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 19409155)
could you be anymore of a fucking bullshitting clown? Too lazy to dig up your post how you spent a majority of your life growing up in the soviet union. Now Alaska?

russians think alaska was stolen

TheSquealer 01-04-2013 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 19409155)
could you be anymore of a fuccking bullshitting clown? Too lazy to dig up your post how you spent a majority of your life growing up in the soviet union. Now Alaska?

I did not spend the majority of my life in the Soviet Union. I never said anything like that. I grew up in Alaska. I lived in Russia for about 10 years. As i've told you quite a few times, I'm not Russian (though fluent in Russian) and as i've said time and time again, you're an insane, bat shit crazy retard.

:2 cents:

_Richard_ 01-04-2013 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 19409174)
yes, he's an international man of mystery. He can just drift from the Soviet union to Alaska, then Washington at will.

he knows 'bat shit crazy'

must count for something

iwantchixx 01-04-2013 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ING82 (Post 19405961)
Free loaders causing trouble and idiots probably gonna cave-in and give them what they want.

Most people don't know they are not even indigenous. An ancient White folk were here about 20000 years before them.

You're missing the entire point. They are "causing trouble" because Harper just gave the green light to oil industries to pollute 99% of our previously-protected waterways. The natives are upset because it's also THEIR land they are set to destroy that was given to them in a treaty.

They are fighting for ALL Canadians.

_Richard_ 01-04-2013 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 19409213)
they're old pals, anyway congrats on the 17k.

thanks, i didn't even notice :1orglaugh

_Richard_ 01-04-2013 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantchixx (Post 19409272)
You're missing the entire point. They are "causing trouble" because Harper just gave the green light to oil industries to pollute 99% of our previously-protected waterways. The natives are upset because it's also THEIR land they are set to destroy that was given to them in a treaty.

They are fighting for ALL Canadians.

hmm not sure why i didn't connect the now non-protected waterways and the oil industry

d-null 01-05-2013 11:37 AM

http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion...800/story.html


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