Do you think the Israeli government would allow a child to be named Aldolf Hitler?

You can. Some white supremist named his kid Adolf Hitler.

But I think CPS got involved after.

Culture? You think the names are come up with and spelled the way they are due to some cultural thing? :1orglaugh

The government doesn't really say you're not allowed to name your child this or that, they just say if you want to get services from us, the name has to fall within these guidelines. It's your choice. Just like if you want to refuse to pay taxes.. you have that option and jail is the penalty for getting caught. But you're still free to refuse.

Yeah it's a choice without a good alternative, but the discussion should stay within the guidelines of reality too.

Want to know what US government list pisses me off? The Do Not Call list. It's like saying everyone has opted in.. a license to spam freely. What spammer wouldn't want an upstream provider to operate that way? You would never get a single complaint or be put on any blacklist! You're protected until you email someone who LATER ON signed to your do not email list. Must be nice. And they exempt certain annoying calls too that still are designed to get money out of you. Again, must be nice. Who do I have to lobby to get that kind of deal?

No laws on the books in the US about it. That's why there was such a controversy about the couple that named their kids after NAZI's. The community had to come up with reasons to take the kids away, but the reasons were not their names, it's legal in the US.


My son is named Akiva Ruhan Thomas Sperber, for various reasons. Akiva is an old Hebrew name, and the way things are going, in places like Norway, they will probably outlaw Jewish names in order to "protect" the kids from anti-semitiscm.


Besides, even if I accept your premise that it is to "protect children"; in this case, a 15 year old girl WANTS TO KEEP HER NAME!! I just can't understand you guys allowing yourselves, as teenagers or adults, to have some government clerk tell you what you can or can't name yourself.... It's just a bizarre concept to me. If I want to call myself shithead, or dweebface, then it's no one's business but my own.


Sorry, I don't get your point of view at all. I can't imagine wanting to surrender all of my choices, even about my own name, to a government.




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Yes, culture is a broad term but yeah, how else do you conseve new names are brought out ?

Pretty much the way you came up with the word "conseve" - Mom does not know how to spell and when the nurse asked what are you naming the baby, and how are you spelling it, they use Ebonics.

Yes in the US you could name your kid "Genital Wart" lol. For petes sake, I gave you a real example of a woman named Sh' (thats pronounced sha- postrophe).. Shapostrophe! It's a real legal name.. stupid but real.

hahahahaha - nice troll attempt - again :thumbsup

cause you really cant be meaning that serious

Fiddy Sly outrages ready to pop.

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Summon some of your jewish friends, and put them to work on Congress. A few well placed phone calls and donations I am sure could work wonders on getting a resolve on that front.

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Yea, because naming a baby Fo'Landra is a cultural thing.

seriously, you're stretching it a lot here, i dont think your sons name would be an issue anywhere

If Israel has laws about what you can name your baby.... or yourself, in the case of this issue, then I disagree with that. Like I said in my original post, "This applies to the US in some ways also". I don't blindly support ANY government. They are ALL abusive of personal liberty, the US has become one of the WORST! It's the nature of government to always grow in power and reach, and unless it is actively held in check, then it will continue indefinitely.



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True, I keep on forgetting that we are the ones that ACTUALLY run the world over the other 99.8% of the people....

I'll get right on that!


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riggghht, so you want to give your son a name 9000 letters long and why not drop a few numbers in there too - as soon as he gets 18 or whatever the legal driving age is in the US, he goes to the DMV and gets issued a custom driving licence 9-Feet x 12-Feet ... give me a break

Really? In attacks made on a Jewish boy in school in Norway, included being burned with a hot brand right in class, he was told "he must stay clear of Norwegian and Muslim children and hide his parentage to avoid continued anti-Semitic attacks.? by the Norwegian government.

Hiding his parentage could easily include being forced to change his name, couldn't it? After all, if it ok to save someone from "embarrassment", then how much more vital would it be to save someone from physical attack?



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The only thing funny about your response is that I considered adding "no, I am not trolling" at the end because you seem to think that whenever we disagree, I must be trolling.

No, I am not trolling and I am serious. What kind of life do you live that you think it is appropriate that the government step in at birth to protect you from being teased?

As someone that grew up with an odd name I couldn't disagree with you less, especially in light of your racist undertones.

Why shouldn't people be able to make up names that are creative and unique? What do you want? All Blacks have to retain their slave names, like "Jones", "Jefferson", "Washington", etc? Does it dirty up your delicate sense of whiteness when you see names like DeShawn, Leronda, etc.?

Do you feel like the barbarians are at the gate when you hear those sorts of names?

The ironic thing is you probably consider yourself a champion of free choice and freedom of expression.

You should try to stick with reality instead of making up shit that would never happen. :2 cents:

How's that not reality? People are fucked up If a parent wanted to name their kid a 9000 character name they should be allowed to.. Yes or no?

My point exactly - it looks like the law in the US (just like everywhere else) regulates what names you could and could not have. It makes perfect sense to me. It also makes perfect sense that these laws would vary from one country to another...

You missed the point of the entire thread, which was the government being able to limit what you can name your child. But yes, some inner city ghetto names are totally retarded. And assuming the child ever makes it out of the hood, it may harm them later in life. You can bet the farm that "Bon Qui Qui" is doomed out of the gate, while "DeShawn" actually has a chance.

Actually, the point of the thread was that an intelligent teenager, who was given a name THAT SHE ACTUALLY WANTS, is being forced to change it by a government. This is not an infant being "burdened" with some crazy name by it's parents....



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How come none of SallyRand's nicks are posting in this thread when he has got personal experience of being given a girly name and being fucked in the head?





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Show me the law that prohibits the use of a 9000 character name in the US.

I didn't miss the point. I was pointing out that some folks seem to agree that there should be limits on what a person can name his or her self, and I disagree with that on any level, but especially when it comes to racial stereotypes of naming conventions. :2 cents:

Yeah, its sad if you can't name your daughter Ivana Fukalot.

There was a case in France because some one called their kid 'Clitoris'.
Poor kid.

jeeez... but then you have a problem with antisemitism in Norway, not with Iceland that doesnt want a girl to have a boys name

You don't think governments should protect children from abusive parents? Regardless what that abuse is?

Do you think it is perfectly OK for anyone to call their child anything they want? Anything at all?

Do you not think governments should protect children from abuse, even if it is from their parents? Or should parents be able to do what they want to other humans, just because they actually managed to learn to have sex?

i will be open for a serious discussion at the moment where you dont put genetics or physical handicaps in the same category as parents that call their kid Dweezil, Moon Unit or Apple

in america, you can call your son "dick" !

I wonder if he will wish he was borne in Iceland when he's older?

My point is that if you think it's ok for the government to deny a teenager, (in this case), or even an adult, from choosing their own name, (which is what this whole thread is actually about), as a by product of a law created in the name of "protecting" children from parents giving them a name that other kids will tease them about. By using your logic, wouldn't it be right to "protect" children from parents giving them a name that other kids will ATTACK them for?






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Hopefully I will have raised him to not be swayed or hurt by the opinions of small-minded provincial people that cling to prejudice. Hopefully he will be proud of his name, and glad that it isn't the same old thing as everyone else around him, (except if we are living in Israel, it's not that uncommon of a name there), but if he wishes to change it, he will be free to when he is older.




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the problem is that you will always find 1 in 1 million cases that serves your intention of this thread - but in the other 999,999 times it saves 999,999 kids from being made fun of.

we'll never agree on this.

there are btw A LOT of things about personal freedoms being cut that we can discuss - and probably agree about. but this is really not a problem for me

Why is that so wrong? They have a list and if your name is not on it they allow you to petition. She lives in a country that only uses the first name for most stuff and it denotes the sex. They don't have unisex names. It makes sense and is simple. The priest goofed up so undo the mistake don't make a huge deal out of it.

We have rules about names. Prince had that issue when he tried to be a symbol. The name needs to be approved in the USA also but we are a lot more liberal and the kid suffers not the parent who wanted to be original. I just met an Amari-yi. She will need to set a side a few minutes a day to explain her name to people. Yep, nothing ethnic or anything, grandma thought it was cool is all.

Ether way, nothing wrong with it