Do this : Watch it again, and be ready to pause it during the super-fast hallucination(?) bits. Some of the goriest makeup and images ever put to film are "hidden" in those scenes, like these:

http://www.horrorphile.net/images/ev...n-of-hell1.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-y9aucy-GLc...+Horizon+5.jpg




That being said, it's an "ok" movie. It should have been better as it had alot going for it - good sci-fi idea, good actors, good horror, etc, but somehow it all seems to fall flat. I give it a big "Meh".

seen it good movie. :thumbsup:thumbsup

Pretty solid sci-fi/horror. It'd be a shame to miss it.

Scared me shitless when I first saw it as a teen

I loved it, thought some of the scenes in it were pretty freaky. It didn't get much attention back then but now it's gaining kind of a cult status.

I'm not insulted that a crap (imo) movie thought i was crap

About ancient sci-fi before of CGI who still stands, I agree about Metropolis, you would not say that's 1927, that's masterpiece, but everyone knows and agrees on that.

I'm not impressed by horror, and action is ok up to a certain degree... look Alien and The Thing, 95% of movie "nothing happens" and this is way more deep and scary. About 2001 a space odissey there 99.9% of movie nothing happens, it requires really a monk receptive status of mind, but it is rewarding (and tripping visuals, for who's into '60's).

However if you want to try even more anti-hollywood sci-fi, there's the russian stuff by Andrey Tarkovskiy, the original Solyaris 1972:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069293/

Note that in some versions they've cut the initial scenes with hypnotic car driving around tokyo and that's a crime, since you need watch driving in tokyo with basic electronic bzzzzzzzzz in background for some minutes to get into the thing. Can't skip or fast forward russian sci-fi!

But the real final mind trip of pure sci-fi (I say pure since no any apparent sci-fi, no aliens, space or technology, no action, nothing!), complete opposite of hollywood, it is Stalker, 1979:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079944/

Underrated as ranked just #214 with 8.1 vote, pretty unknown to the masses, Stalker it could be used as an subtle IQ + drug test, try it while watching those incredibly long scenes of water and grass waving..., or listen the talking.
After watch Stalker, re-watch the famous Blade Runner piece (guess who inspired from): "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.", basically stalker is a whole movie like that piece, lots epic philosophical blah blah, water or rain or grass on screen for hours like you gone fishing, and electro wave sounds, made in soviet ruins with 20 dollar budget. Still unparalleled on its genre.

Yea I actually forgot about that stuff in EH. They did a lot of shit like that with quick glimpses of stuff, a lot like what they did in fight club.

Thanks for that link, I will have to check out Stalker.

Agreed, Solyaris is a masterpiece and ranks very high in science fiction movies.
I even liked the remake by Soderbergh, although it was not very well received critically.

Speaking of non-hollywood science fiction, you should watch "Primer" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0390384/

Primer (the best film about time travel ever made imo) was made for 7,000 dollars and is so much better than most films that cost 50 or 100 million dollars (a perfect example is The Sound Of Thunder, also about time travel but totally screwed up from the original Ray Bradbury story)

I also recommend a film called "Moon" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/ which lasted about one week in theaters because there are very few explosions, and a lot of pondering about the nature of existence and identity.

One of the best sci-fi movies in my opinion.

EH has a few scenes that should have been removed (the guy jet packing back to EH for ex) - It seemed too comical. But apart from that and they chose a poor track for the credits - Its a really good movie. Cant think of many sci-films as scary as EH.

Kudos for being cheap, but Primer is quite boring. Similar concept of time machine loop mess but way more funny it is Timecrimes (Los cronocrímenes) from 2007: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0480669/

About the problem of duplicate self's, that's nicely done in The Prestige (2006) by Nolan: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0482571/

In fact Nolan made previously an enough time loop mess milestone on Memento (2000): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0209144/

On a side note The Dark Knight (2008) for me it is boring and vote 9.0 rank #7 it is simply ridiculous; and Inception 8.8 #14 also silly being a total mess of movie. I like The Prestige best from Nolan and Memento 2nd, then his latter movies are higly overrated and I would not even go to watch a second time. Esp. Inception it is totally pretentious chaos, people vote it high because they are afraid they're considered stupid if not understood a Nolan movie.

LOL man, Timecrimes is a foreign RIP OFF of Primer and made for 2.6 million dollars, a budget 371 times greater than that of Primer LOL. That's the funny part about it.

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Agreed, they could have done without some of the "black guy comedy relief" stuff, but I suppose they thought the film was so dark they needed something to lighten it up a little.

It seemed to me like it may have been something the studio pushed for after seeing the rough cut, typical d-bag suits.

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Never heard of it too.

Timecrimes is made few years later, but I don't see how it is ripped from Primer, the story looks quite different - Primer is about doubles and fail safes and bring time machine from future to past itself so more engineer oriented, while Timecrimes it is plain hilarious dark comedy. The time machine storylines paradox was already in 1960's star trek TV episodes, how Primer invented anything? Even the popular movies Terminator and Back to The Future are from 1984-85 when primer actors was barely born.

Some less known ones:

Ivan Vasilevich menyaet professiyu (1973)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070233/

The final countdown (1980):
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080736/

Somewhere in time (1980):
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081534/

Googleing the above movies together I found a nice list here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._fiction_films

Some are about jump in future at once, so no any paradox of go back and encounter yourself double's. Oh by the way I seen Kin-dza-dza listed there, it's hilarious for sure: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091341/ , it's in youtube: https://youtube.com/watch?v=I47CNxwlt9U
That's about make sci-fi with little money :)

Beyond the Black Rainbow is a good recent sci-fi/horror to to check out. It's slow, but mesmerizing to watch. Smoke up before watching for the full effect.

welcome to the 90s.

imho, that was a good flick