I guess ill be the first to admit it if i had a lot of cash i would go mac but to upgrade my pc i have now

Intel Core i7 3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz 8MB Retail Box $333.00
Intel DZ77SL-50K LGA1155 ATX Motherboard $139.00
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium OEM 64Bit $99.00
G.Skill 16GB Kit (2x8GB) DDR3 Ripjaws X C10 1600MHz $109.00
total $680

but a basic mac mini is $699
2.5GHz dual-core Intel Core i5
4GB memory
500GB hard drive1
Intel HD Graphics 4000
OS X Mountain Lion

it just seems like im paying more for less spec

I will see on Monday any way

the top of the line mac pro goes for 3800$ :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

the normal one goes for 2500$ :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

you get stuff like intel processors and ATI graphic cards...shit that is not to be had on the PC :1orglaugh ...

its the magic of advertising...crapple basically stole ideas left and right, outsourced them to a china sweat shop, overpriced the fuck out of their products, sued everybody else who tried to copy what they copied, backstabbed their loyal users with frequent "new and improved" models like the Iphone5 joke LOL...and the apple fans STILL will not admit that they are in fact very very prone to marketing :1orglaugh

their best high-end $3800 model has the Xeon E5645 Processor and ATI Radeon HD 5770 video card (source)

that CPU was released 1st quarter of 2010 (source) and the graphics card was released 4th quarter of 2009 (source)

That's some cutting edge, 3 year old hardware, it's ridiculous that any company can call outdated crap like that "Pro" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The arguments for Macs usually go something like this:
You just don't understand
Better support
Better hardware
Worth the money

Well, you're right, I don't understand. I can agree with better support. I cannot agree with better hardware. And I cannot agree with worth the money because there is no way that better support is worth that much of a price increase to me.

I don't have a problem with Macs really, you guys just need to come up with better arguments or be willing to admit that you don't mind paying more money for a sexy machine, with better support.

In August I spent $2,500 on the following (no monitor):
i7-3960X CPU @ 3.30ghz
10 GB RAM
2 TB HD

I added the following two pieces of hardware, these are included in the price above.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o04_s00_i00
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o04_s00_i00

What would a comparable Mac have run me?

And for the record, I spent about $8,000 on computer hardware last year, so I can afford a Mac just fine. I have had no problems either.

buy a used one off of ebay. by the way HP, IBM, Toshiba, etc don't sell cases.

but that's with any computer system. it's always cheaper to get the ram and harddrive yourself. I always get the bare minimum for a system then upgrade it myself.

cant wait for crapple tv to come out this year :1orglaugh

based on other apple products i expect apple tv to be just like regular tv, only crippled and outdated, and then horribly overpriced and overhyped...

BUT they will add a glowing apple logo :1orglaugh

Sure. Okay, that stock computer that I bought (which was upgraded from the manufacturer) was $1,800. I put another $500 or so into it. So take the original specs and tell me what that would cost with Apple.

50 apple fans :)

51 brainwashed sheep (does not apply to those that know they are overpaying at least 50% for sexy design and logo)

Amazing how there are still so many fanboys who think they pay all that extra money for a better computer. How dumb can you get.

Use linux you bunch of pussies

Next time you're in the US hit me up, I'll show you my mac collection, we can shoot some guns then go out for some fast food.

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You guys ranting on about hardware price are all completely retarded. Seriously, you are mentally facile.

You don't pay the Apple premium because you want the hardware.

You pay the premium because you want to run OS X (without the headaches and lack of futureproofing of a Hackintosh).

Developing rules on a Mac because the interface rocks, there are none of the hardware headaches with trying to get a laptop running with Linux, you can use all the business productivity software you're used to on Windows along with all your unix development tools, there is actually a stable filesystem etc. If it breaks I can walk into an Apple outlet anywhere in the world (I travel a lot) and get it fixed no questions asked.

The initial purchase price is higher but the total cost of ownership is the same or lower.

There. That part needed bigger letters because there are people who keep fooling themselves beleiving they only pay $30 for OSX.

Look into Hackintosh. You can run a legit copy of OS X on a "PC", you just won't get Apple's support. So yeah, $30 for OS X > $150 for Windows.

ok so just proved the point, you pay hundreds (minus 30$ for OS) extra for nothing but logo and disputable support quality.

Huh? The few times over the last 15 years I've had a problem I either had it fixed while I waited at an apple store or had a real live english speaking tech in California walk me thru my problem.

Yes you can get it for $30, but how many are choosing that solution, using a PC for running OS X?

Have you ever even used a Apple computer longer then toying around with it while you aimlessly walked around an Apple store just wishing you could afford to buy one?

You sound like someone who is just jealous because they can't afford an "over priced piece of shit"

I welcome anyone who's actually owned a Mac computer to argue why it's worthless instead of these haters. At least you'd have intelligent reasons for disliking Apple.

That's it in a nutshell. I can understand why some Windows-centric users might not like OS X, but if you are someone who needs to use Unix then OS X is where it's at. It is just the best tool available for a certain segment of the market.

I would value my time at over $100 an hour. At that rate the price premium of a Mac is quickly wiped out by a few hours spent:

* building a PC from scratch and installing whatever OS you like.
* removing preinstalled crapware if I buy an off the shelf Windows PC, or installing Linux / OS X and mucking around getting all the hardware to work.
* reinstalling Windows even once after your install gets trashed by driveby malware because your flash version is one day out of date.

If you can't understand why a professional in their field would choose to pay a small initial price premium to save time and to have the best tool to do their job, then you're a completely useless faggot who deserves to be shot and killed.

Well said AutumnBH. :thumbsup

But you can't get that through the heads of these numbskulls because they've never owned anything except for that Sony laptop mom bought them last year after they graduated high school. :Oh crap

1. I never said its worthless. I said its pretty much the same thing (depends on which OS you like more) that cost extra for the logo.

2. I always laugh how Isheep people say "you can not afford so you hate". Brilliant logic - if you do not want to overpay for nothing you "can not afford" :1orglaugh
If I tried to sell you bottle of cocacola for 10$ and you would not buy it I would claim that you can not afford 10$ :1orglaugh
I can not believe somebody who is a programmer could have such a retarded logic :2 cents:

...yawn, motherboard architecture is superior. No 2 side pins for the LDVS cable, with a 32 pin connector, optimizes the bus speed already on the board, to the extent that there is never any screen flicker, as the refresh rate is throttled to the graphics card in approx .00026 mil/sec.
The throttle ON/OFF capability of the gigabit RAM is quite amazing, as it put's each RAM bay on standby when RAM is not being utilized. Also bringing down your electric bill. The electronic footprint of an imac is roughly the same as a fucking toaster.
The electronic indicator LED's on the motherboard, make repair, pretty fucking simple, as you have 4 quadrants on the board that each LED represents. Drama based on color. Same with the liquid spill indicators also on the logic boards.
Apple, hands down, has fucking killed it, in the standaround air induction and case cooling that it pantented and invented in 2006. No other box can compete.
The boot kernal for mach/UNIX, has base startup and resolve time of 6/1000 of a second. I will race against every piece of shit PC computer owner that is crying on here like a little fucking bitch, any day. BRING IT...
Apple has over 8500 patents on motherboard architecture alone because it is so fucking badass.
...etc, etc, etc.

http://i.imgur.com/ZaS5y.png

Not to mention everyone's trying to copy Apple now.

sounds like a dream vacation for Franck :1orglaugh

So here's a story.

Today (A Sunday), I had trouble syncing my mac mail to my ipad and iphone. No matter what I did I kept getting strange results (email not sending, weird messages, etc). It was taking forever so I decided to try apple support.

To get it, I went to their website, selected the $35.00 option for a 1-time support fee (as I didn't think this would be included by their warranty). Clicked "call me" and my phone rang instantly. I was connected to a tech support guy in less than 45 seconds. Wow.

So we spent about 30 minutes trying to figure out what was going on. It turned out that it was may fault - I was specifying the wrong login credentials. I completely wasted 30 minutes of Apple's tech support time.

And you know what? They didn't charge me.

LOL I always think of this when people complain about things. Great episode.

An Apple is a pc. Just twice as expensive because of the logo.

* building a PC from scratch and installing whatever OS you like.
Bought a pc installed with windows and everything,0 hours spend on setup
* removing preinstalled crapware if I buy an off the shelf Windows PC, or installing Linux / OS X and mucking around getting all the hardware to work.
There was crapware preinstalled but nothing what would annoy,some of programs installed was actually very useful.
* reinstalling Windows even once after your install gets trashed by driveby malware because your flash version is one day out of date.
Total bullshit,not a single reinstall was done since i bought this windows pc,nor a single malware passes(using microsoft security essential/noscript/malware antibytes).
Not to mention 80% of apps which i use dont have version for mac,so using mac would be totally useless for professional purposes.And it would cause LOST TIME.

Are you completely stupid? Do you lack reading comprehension? That point applies to people who build their own computers, you fucking moron.

If you consider commercial crapware to be useful then you are clearly even more of a retarded postwhore than you first appear. Even a mediocre Windows user doesn't consider their main computer to be useful until they've done a clean reinstall from an OEM disk.

See, that is a the typical attitude of an ignorant Windows faggot such as yourself. You haven't been compromised THAT YOU KNOW OF. OS X might be harder to lock down that a free unix but at least I can install a proper firewall like pf or ipfw, I have proper separation of privileges between services and between adminstrator and non-admin users in the filesystem etc. The bottom line is that if you are a serious computer user with valuable and unique intellectual property, you just can't trust Windows, either for security or for basic filesystem reliability. Windows is a toy OS - useful for some applications but built from matchsticks. Also if you blindly trust antivirus software for your protection then you're a dribbling spastic who has never played around with a point and click off the shelf open source malware kit.

Good for you! The fact that you're a glorified secretary consuming other people's apps is not the point. The point is that there are specific professions that require certain tools and Mac is the best tool for the job for some people. A small price premium is completely irrelevant to them because it's such a tiny cost of doing business. If you are too stupid to understand that then you are clearly a worthless cocksucker.

Completely irrelevant,as i stated a fact.

I do not consider commercial crapware useful,i actually deleted those one's but free/vendor software is good.But the fact is,even if i didn't deleted anything,os is still working good as it would be installed fresh without any preinstalls.
Yes it is correct how windows is total crap when it comes to security,but if you follow a specific procedure you wont ever have problem with any kind of malware.And i dont trust antivirus,i do manual check of system core files when searching for any kind of malware.

I agree how mac is best for some people,but in my case it will be complete lose of time and money due lack of many programs support for it.That is problem with you and other apple fanbois,a claim how it's better in any case.Not to mention you act like religious nutcase.

True. Some people think their Mac hardware is superior though.
It's 99% pc and 1% Apple adjustment to charge people a lot of extra money.

A bit like how they went with the new Lightning connector primarily to milk the sheep.
$29 for a Lightning Adapter and $39 if you want it with 0,2m cable. $10 for 20cm cable :1orglaugh
You can get a 1,8m USB cable for $3.

We have 3 iMacs here in the house already. They're not the best when it comes to editing and rendering video...which is what this one would be for.

I refuse to edit on a MacBook Pro as well, even though there are at least 4 of them laying around here too.

The only thing good about Apple hardware is that even after 5 years, you can still get $600 for your $1200 iMac.

Blah blah blah...

Little does it matter when your $10,000 Mac Pro is full of 3 year old hardware.

Haha ya no shit. Amazing what the religious nutters will come up with to defend their overpriced pc with Apple logo.

Where have you been the last few years? Getting linux to install on a laptop is easier than installing windows. You don't have to fumble with installing drivers to get shit working. I always install linux on every laptop I buy.

I like getting shit :thumbsup