Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 19410589)

I just read a book "freakonomics", http://www.freakonomics.com There was something interesting in the book about crime. People predicted that by now the priosns would be full of prisoners. But suddenly the crime didn't rise, but the crime rates went lower than ever before. People blame it on the war on drugs, higher sentences, better economy, more policeman. But he found out that the there was less crime because of abortion.

Cause mothers who didn't want children has an alternative now. Instead of having a child they couldn't take care of or where unwanted didn't get born. Strange, how many baby's that didn't get born would have become criminals because they wouldn't have a good future?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legaliz...d_crime_effect

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19410740)

You can kill someone at any time between birth and death. You can not kill anyone after death and before birth.

Originally Posted by livexxx (Post 19410816)

life begins at birth, end of discussion

Originally Posted by PornMD (Post 19410982)

I've never understood that the same people that say "holy shit, don't kill unborn fetuses!" are the same ones that could care less about them once they are born. Most of the situations in which abortions happen are situations when the child is either completely UNWANTED or the parent(s) would not be able to support the child. Pro-lifers say "fuck 'em" on the latter and "tough luck" on the former. Tell us, if you don't want these fetuses aborted, what are you doing to actually improve their lives given those usual circumstances?

I would actually respect the position more if it included some means of making sure an otherwise aborted fetus lives a healthy happy life, but I've never met a pro-lifer that feels that way. At best they feel giving the baby up for adoption allows it to live and the parents to not have to deal with the burden, seeming to think that somehow that leads to a rosy life when it rarely does.

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 19410703)

This movie is made by a REALLY religious company, who I don't particularly like. But their movie brings up good points.

Challenge: watch it, and tell me if it changes your mind (if you are pro-abortion)

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19410584)

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 19410571)

"There will be over 3,500 killed in USA today from abortion. No flags lowered, no presidents crying. No media hyperventilating. Normal day."

- Matt Drudge


What's wrong with this world? 20 kids killed, which is definitely a tragedy, and we want to legislate against guns. But millions killed from abortion, and we label it "choice." What's wrong with us?

Originally Posted by AdultPornMasta (Post 19410918)

Yeah, for sure this baby is not alive:



:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Originally Posted by AdultPornMasta (Post 19411235)

Similarly, in the USA a human fetus has been propagandized into a non-lving thing, which is of course, complete bullshit. I'm not sure what a mass of dividing cells should be called but such a dividing mass is generally considered to be alive except as concerns human beings so that the termination of the dividing celluar mass can be perpetrated without a second thought.

Nothing "Biblical" about it.

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 19411245)

Your arguments do not address the "final straw" that made abortion legal.
It was the deaths and horrors of "back room illegal abortions" that pushed the
law. Nobody is going back to those days in the same way that we are not going back to alcohol prohibition. The number of deaths and violence is worst with prohibition in
either case.

Bottom line : you live in a fantasy world and the rest of us acknowledge reality.

Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 19410640)

So tell us Donny - how many unwanted children have YOU adopted and/or financially supported over the years?

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 19410685)

A comment from a friend on Facebook:

In the US:

There are 2 million couples waiting to adopt.
Every year, for every 1 couple granted a baby, 36-40 couples are left still waiting. The divide between the amount of couples waiting to adopt babies and the amount of babies given for adoption has only increased over time. Babies resulting from an unwanted pregnancy typically go straight to a family through private adoption. Usually the only babies in the foster care system are those with medical problems that the parents couldn't afford to treat, or part of a sibling group take from the home. Most children in foster care were already older by the time they were taken from their home and placed in foster care.

In 2008, Planned Parenthood provided 324,000 abortions. If all those abortions had been live births instead, there would be parents there to adopt every single one of them, and that would still only grant babies to 17% of couples waiting to adopt, leaving 80% of couples still waiting.

There are very few babies born in this country that are actually unwanted. When the birth mother does not want the baby, there are always infertile couples who do.

To confront the issue of the risk of pregnancy (SLY), a recent study in Finland found that women who had an abortion were almost four times as likely to die within a year as women who gave birth (article #5). In addition to its immediate health risks (excessive bleeding, torn uterus, etc), abortion also carries with it the risk of endometriosis and miscarriage in later pregnancies, as well as breast cancer. You can count previous abortions in the list of life choices that can render a woman infertile. However, many causes of infertility are not the fault of the infertile couple, and it is insulting to imply that it is.
Source(s):
1.http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._mark05048327/
2.http://www.plannedparenthood.org/fil...2010-09-03.pdf
3.http://www.hannahshouseoc.com/Adopti...tions_2565.htm
4. http://www.adoption.com/
5. http://www.pregnantpause.org/safe/stakes.htm

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19410713)

Because this isn't a dog pound, and they don't give them away like they do puppies.

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 19411245)

Your arguments do not address the "final straw" that made abortion legal.
It was the deaths and horrors of "back room illegal abortions" that pushed the
law. Nobody is going back to those days in the same way that we are not going back to alcohol prohibition. The number of deaths and violence is worst with prohibition in
either case.

Bottom line : you live in a fantasy world and the rest of us acknowledge reality.

Originally Posted by AdultPornMasta (Post 19411246)

Prohibition killed over 50,000,000 human beings?

I'm sure historians world-wide will be glad to know that.

Do you have a citation for that?

:321GFY

Originally Posted by AdultPornMasta (Post 19411297)

Stupid people really annoy me by the way.

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 19411307)

FIRST : don't give me numbers of lives to compare and create a value of it.

SECOND : If you really used such values then you'd be talking about War in Darfur, The Congo, Burundi Genocide and Malaria right now.

THIRD : If I did that then the gun ban laws being preached now are idiotic with the few deaths they caused.

Some females who don't want the pregnancy will jump off a fucking building,
then what is your stupid law going to do about it?