Alright, Dippy... because you have an IQ of 10... I will explain it once again, and then I'm off to bed.

The question was: "Why are there so many more instances mass shootings happening all of a sudden? It must be a conspiracy!"

My answer was this: "Mass shootings are perpetuated by social influences that encourage others to continue the trend. There's a book that discusses the phenomenon by Malcolm Gladwell called Tipping Point that explains it well."

And then you come in and spew some garbage about how the book is clearly "liberal", when clearly you don't know what you're talking about. The book is not political whatsoever, it is scientific. It is only based on studies, and the author analyses it, talks to experts on the subject, and publishes it.

And you making short-sighted judgements about topics you clearly have not studied makes you a dim-witted asshole, with your head up your ass.

If you're going to talk shit, at least know what you're talking about before you do it.

The answer is obvious... They don't care about the facts; and they don't care about the illegal guns, just the legal ones because that's all the mainstream media is telling them to care about...

illegals guns didnt kill the little children or the people in the movie theater or the firemen coming to put out a fire.

everyone keeps going on about how criminals will be the only people with guns if laws are put in place blah blah...doesn't everyone realize that we are all one decision away from being criminals? that todays law abiding citizen could be tomorrows deranged criminal? its a pointless argument because its not like there is a group of people that are criminals from birth and another group that are law abiding responsible citizens from birth.

As of right now, there are 2 groups...

1 group owns their firearms legally. This is the group of people you anti gun nuts are talking about when it comes to banning guns.

1 group owns their firearms illegally. This is the group of people that you currently ignore, yet the same group who are responsible for the bulk amount of firearm related injuries/deaths.

And "legal owners being one decision away from being illegal owners" is a pretty pathetic attempt at trying to classify all gun owners as criminals just to suit your own mainstream media fed "beliefs". The problem with people like you is you believe in nothing... nothing other than what you see on the television.

Wow, stunning... Chicago has great laws. It's homicide rate is down by, I don't know, say HALF....

Seriously, how do you not that? Homicides topped out at nearly one thousand a year. last year they had five hundred.

You guys are beating the war drum using Chicago as an example, when homicides are down by half. You guys also use the UK as an example, and they have less gun violence there then the Swiss.

WTF?

And legal guns didn't protect them either.

The concept of people with guns will protect us doesn't work. Columbine had armed guards, didn't make a difference. There was a shooting in a school in Taft California yesterday - school employees a full time armed guard who called in sick. Hundreds of thousands of dollars spent over the years for an armed guard, the one time he is needed he wasn't there, and even if he was there the end result would have been the exact same.

not just legal gun owners but EVERYONE IN THE WORLD is one decision away from postive or negative, legal or illegal actions, etc, etc. thats just reality. to assume legal gun owners will never use their gun for an illegal act is obviously untrue. sure, the majority don't but what i am saying is there is no black and white. no this group good, this group bad scenarios. i am not ignoring illegal gun owners either as all illegal guns start out as legal at some point in the food chain. i don't watch television news shows either, so your attempt and painting me a certain color is incorrect.

that's a human rights issue, owning a gun is absolutely not.. for fuck sakes are you even able to come up with a sound argument on this issue?

My apologies. I didn't know you had a mental deficiency. I'll leave you alone. I don't want to be the guy that picked on the retard. Just please, don't go buy any guns. We don't want you shooting up any schools.

Just so we're on the same page, point me to the source of your information that states what you believe on what "human rights" are and that owning a gun is not one of them. I would like to know what document states this.

Because, to me, what you posted, sounds like an opinion stated as fact. If that is what you are doing, keep your opinions to yourself, especially since you are Canadian and this topic is related to U.S. law and our Civil Rights, not yours.

Thanks.

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ?"
Richard Henry Lee

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; ?"
Samuel Adams

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside ? Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
Thomas Paine

Tony, you need to read the Federalist Papers and quit harping on the left BULLSHIT that can't fucking understand them. Tony, you're smarter than that!

Or maybe you can't understand this "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)

Anyone can go in a get a restraining against you and while waiting for the court date, your right to own a gun has been taken away, without seeing a judge, without even seeing a court house, someone can take away your constitutional rights!

Guys with box cutters killed almost 3,000 people in one day, 9/11
Guy with a rental truck full of shit killed 168 people in one day

http://consortiumnews.com/2012/12/21...mendment-lies/

Right-wing resistance to meaningful gun control is driven, in part, by a false notion that America?s Founders adopted the Second Amendment because they wanted an armed population that could battle the U.S. government. The opposite is the truth, but many Americans seem to have embraced this absurd, anti-historical narrative.

The reality was that the Framers wrote the Constitution and added the Second Amendment with the goal of creating a strong central government with a citizens-based military force capable of putting down insurrections, not to enable or encourage uprisings. The key Framers, after all, were mostly men of means with a huge stake in an orderly society, the likes of George Washington and James Madison.


President George Washington, as Commander-in-Chief, leading a combined force of state militias against the Whiskey Rebellion in 1794.
The men who gathered in Philadelphia in 1787 weren?t precursors to France?s Robespierre or Russia?s Leon Trotsky, believers in perpetual revolutions. In fact, their work on the Constitution was influenced by the experience of Shays? Rebellion in western Massachusetts in 1786, a populist uprising that the weak federal government, under the Articles of Confederation, lacked an army to defeat.

So is the rest of the USA!

If you like the war on drugs....you will love the war on guns....

I'll go with all the things being reported instead of what you are saying. Here is just ONE report on it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2378073.html

That is for 2012: "Plagued by gang violence, Chicago surpassed last year's murder total of 433 in October and is set for the highest rate of homicide since the third largest U.S. city recorded 512 in 2008. The number is likely to top 500 on the last weekend of the year."

I don't know where you are getting your info on that. But you are 100% WRONG.

EDIT: The year before (2011) that you tried to claim was twice as much...was LESS by the way. That's why the news is saying homicide has SPIKED UP in Chicago despite the toughest gun laws in the country.

Or go country to country.

Unless every gun on earth is destroyed, every machine that could possibly make a gun is destroyed, and every person who knows how to make them locked away, people will find a way to get firearms. You can't stop it. Ever. Pandora's box is open.

But lets pretend this could happen. That won't stop people from being violent or killing others. How many IEDs have killed soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan? They are not difficult to make. How many people are knifed or clubbed to death every year? Point is, even with a total global gun ban, people are still going to find a way to kill each other. That's just what we do. From sticks and stones to swords to hatchets to our bare hands, humans will find a way to kill other humans.

Which leads me to my final comment. People are the problem. Not weapons.

Got news for ya Tony. It's not just "right wing" (even though the media and politicians want us to think so).

EVERY American who cares about their rights and freedom are opposed to the govt. taking more control of our lives.

Here in my state...Democrat Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid was endorsed by the NRA. He gave a nice speech at a local gun range here with NRA Pres. Wayne LaPierre where Reid said: "There are people who are opposed to this..they are also probably opposed to Apple Pie"

This isn't a "Repub" Vs "Dem" situation EXCEPT in Washington D.C. and on the news.
I'm not a "right winger". But I think as long as there is a second amendment...then it's none of the federal govt.'s business whether I have a gun or not.

And I don't think that any of the things that Joe Biden has said over the last few days will stop these shootings.

I believe that some of these shootings are copycat induced. And if the media would quit milking it for ratings and politicians milking it for face time on the news...it would stop again.

Watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyoLuTjguJA

Since the beginning of time.

Yep...when it was illegal to own a gun in Washington D.C. they had more gun violence than any other city.

Once the Supreme Court ruled that unconstitutional...crime went DOWN as people were now armed.

so that means we should make it as easy as possible to do?

Why have laws against robbery and rape and murder its going to happen anyway? Im not saying ban but regulate. A Frank Luntz poll sated 74% of NRA gun owners agree with.

74 percent NRA owners agree in better regulations. That poll was done by Frank Luntz.

Obviously, the answer to the problem doesn't lie in one single act. The issue of gun violence is complex, and it will never be entirely solved.

That doesn't mean anyone who thinks it's fucking stupid that we don't have universal background checks without loopholes, and who think that since there is no use for large-capacity magazines except to slaughter rooms full of people that the sale of them should end, is wrong. And at issue currently seems to be mass killings of innocent people, rather than 1-on-1 murders around drug deals.

Sounds like common sense to me, but a gun nut would say you're like Hitler.

HEY! The gun nuts are on to something! Rather than ban the sale of high-capacity clips, we'll just prevent the next mass slaughter of innocents by banning mental illness!! :thumbsup

Gun nut gun nut gun nut gun nut gun nut. :helpme

Conjecture, a proposition that is unproven

Besides, you're changing the subject as usual, I answered you on the idea of what a Militia is, you quote this ass hat that didn't read the constitution as the Supreme Court did.

The idea behind Militia's is that everyone is considered a militia. You do know that everyone in the US is required to serve the countries military?

It wasn't till 1903 till Militias were replaced by the national guard and I've seen them in action first hand, I'm keeping my guns. They will come to your home and tell you have to leave by their order, I will point a gun at their face and tell them to fuck off and that I know my rights and they don't have the authority without martial law to do that, FUCK THEM!!!

Again, when the 2nd amendment was written, it included everyone!

Go ahead debate using leftist bullshit written last month, I'll use the words of the constitution framers every time.

and please don't go on with that bullshit about a assault weapons, what exactly is an assault weapon? I've got my first BB Gun when I was 7, first rifle when I was 10, first pistol when I was 15 and shot every manner of firearm there is, from a Thompson Machine gun to flint lock horse pistols, Mac-10's to Ak-47's and AR-15's to M14's. of those firearms, I can do more damage with the M14 probably because of the accuracy and power of the round, a hunting round 30.06. , and of these guns, the Thompson I can't own and the AK I can't own, they want the AR-15, yet it doesn't do anything the M14 doesn't and is a smaller round, people that write this propaganda know JACK SHIT about guns.

BTW, the flint locks can be loaded with Magnesium Pellets and when fired the pellets ignite from the friction in the air to create whats called dragons breathe, you think a AR-15 does a lot of damage?
http://fc06.deviantart.net/images/i/...n_at_night.jpg

This is from a shot gun, it can be used in a flint lock very easily

They keep mentioning Hitler.The truth is the only people Hitler didn't allow to have guns were jews. Everyone else had guns and there was no rising up against him. There was a ghetto that was armed and held the nazi's off, but eventually they lost. Other armed germans didnt run to their aid.

Then why don't we just repeal the 2nd amendment? All of the things you are saying sound reasonable. But they infringe on our constitutional rights. So repeal the 2nd amendment and be done with it.

Congress created the 18th amendment (prohibition) in 1920 and then repealed it via the 21st amendment in 1933

And when they decided it was time to get the money train rolling they created the 16th amendment in 1913 to make income tax constitutional.

Our political leaders have the ability to do whatever they want. All they have to do is amend the constitution and it's a done deal for anything they want to do.

And again..."mass killings" Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people including 19 under the age of 6 in a split second using a home made bomb.
We're gonna have to have a lot more mass shootings this year to catch up to what he did in the blink of an eye.

It's a fantasy that 20 1st graders were turned to hamburger by a lone gunman with war weapons?

And you really seem to be down on the "mainstream media". That's cool. So, what sources inform your worldview? Where do you get "the real shit"?

You believe what you want to believe. Militia meant Militia not some bullshit the NRA talking points told you. Because if it meant people , they would of used the term people. Im not saying ban I saying regulate.
Also you are being played the nra is bought and paid for by gun companies. Its not a second ammendment issue that makes them against regulation its a sales issue.
Wanna know who one of the biggest contributors of the nra is ? A company that makes high capcity magazines imagine that. lol

Also they use the term people how many times in constitution?

Why does have to one way or another? Thats not how the world works.

NRA Owners? You mean members right?

This is true, but the gun laws are not written by people that know anything about guns, they are written by idiots that think regulation of legal possession is going to some how curb gun violence.

Go live in the places where gun regulation is strong and you hear gun shots most every night. Go to a place where gun ownership is taken responsibly and you only hear gun shots near a range.

No one was "turned to hamburger" as that would mean their bodies have been so brutally torn up from the gun fire that they would be unidentifiable... I'm sure you heard the term used on fox news or w/e though so it must be true!

Do you even know what hamburger meat looks looks like? Did any of the victims looks like hamburger meat? The answer is no, and therefore the answer to your question is... yes, "20 first graders being turned to hamburger by a lone gunman" is a complete fantasy.

Amending the Constitution isn't necessary. "...as part of a well-regulated militia..." is already in there. We need to start regulating.

And I'd be much more comfortable if everyone who wanted to kill innocent people - the kids at Columbine, the guy at Sandy Brook, the guy at the movie theater, etc. had to concoct their own bombs. They take way more effort than pulling a trigger, and the finished product is typically unreliable.

http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com...g?w=1000&h=750

I can't recall exactly when, but some time ago it was legal to open carry wherever you went in Arizona. Guess who had the lowest murder/gun violence rate in the US during that time?