I was actually being ironic with that Google bit. I think that events like those you describe are a big problem for everyone - it's (usually) people that have an obsolete business model they desperately want to hang on to, that go to lawyers to try and punish third parties because they can't get the hands on the actual trouble makers.

Making everyone responsible for everything is just not a way I like to see the whole IPO debate go.

I do believe that when illegal things are reported to service providers, that you have to act on it when the claim is legal. But to ask people to monitor everything in the service is just stupid. In many cases it can't be done.

There are degrees of control man. You set some unrealistic demands for services, but that's pretty easy since it's not your service. What if someone held you accountable for me buying you DVD and showing it to minors.. would that be fair? Fuck no. That's my problem, not yours.

People should only be held accountable for their own actions (or lack thereof). But no way would I every accept that I had to constantly screen my service. Just like I don't think every single data center, DNS provider, sattelite provider (what about GPS services lol) or ISP is monitoring everything just because someone has some intellectual properties that are being violated. People like you are blowing it way out of proportion man. No offence but I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here :pimp

typical stupid porn people. 40 posts in this thread arguing with each other and not one person is posting links to see if plugrush is even going to stand by their words.

you have them publicly saying they will disable sites but they can't police it themselves to bring it to their attention but no one wants to post links to see if they will honor their statements, no it is more fun to argue and try to get each other's lawyer's phone number. No wonder you idiots are broke.

Guess what ...
That is exactly what happen to me last year! Someone purchased one of my DVDs and his curious child got caught with it at school. A couple of days later, there was a knock at my door and questions and lawyers got involved. What ended the questioning was my documentation on the sale and how the sale occured.

In the end that 1 dvd sale cost me about just over a thousand dollars to my lawyer. Not including my lost time, the gas used in my car and having the police being opportunists and going through all my peformer records to make certain I was not filming minors.

I have no beef with you. You certainly seem like a decent person and I am not looking for a fight. But the internet has a real « herd » mentality. One man gets an idea and enough people appear to like it and before you know it... Like pack elephants holding each other tails, they all start doing the same dumb thing believing it is correct. And it only gets worse if someone makes a 10$ in the process.


As for all this blablabla about « Out dated business models »
It is just another example of Internet herds. Because 99% of the people throw that expresson around and have no idea what it really means.

The vast majority of my product is on DVD and I am seeing less and less reasons to go on the Internet. I am not a big shot or a big production house but I have been growing slowly and steadily every year since the early 1980s. I attribute that growth to a strict adhearance to sound orthodox business practices, including always making a quality product and strong customer service.

It may suprise you to know that I still have requests for VHS and last week I even sold an old Super 8 film.

(((( Before anyone asks what I am doing here since I am not selling by the Internet... I came her because of stop file lockers and I am keeping myself informed of the Industry )))
I am sure you know the old saying...
If you see a job that needs to be done... Congratulations it is yours.

All I will say is that like in the situation of google, perhaps some of these sites should stop automating their systems and start employing a few human beings to do the job?

I reported these two sites to [email protected] earlier in the week

http://fullvidxxx.com

http://porndownisland.com/

To date they have not even been courteous enough to reply, one of these sites is still active with Plugrush.

It seems Plugrush have the ability to stop popup blockers but not the ability to disable widgets on infringing sites.

why waste your time emailing them. it is apparent they are only going to act when its posted publicly. When you email them and they do nothing no one else knows about it. only way to act is to post it here and then everyone can see if they act or not. :2 cents:

Yes. Plugrush has removed tumblr blogs.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but your goal is to get sites to stop sending payments and limit the money flow to infringing sites, if the widget still works, but they're not making any money off of it. Isn't that a good thing? This makes them think they're making money, therefor limiting their income.

Is this not logical?

Kind of sounds shady though.

Remember the old saying... Just because you hang out with skunks it does not make you a skunk. But you will still end up stinking just as bad.

It is corporate image and anyone that runs a clean tight ship does not want to do business with those deal with shady characters. It comes down to being able to trust those you are dealing with. If the person you are doing business with has one foot in crap, you never know if they are going to one day screw you over for a couple of dollars.

So no it is not logical.

You build your brand image and you take your product seriously. Seriously enough to send a clear message to scumbags that you are not going to take anything from them.

in the end.... A business just like a man is judged by the company he keeps.

bump for a good cause......

interesting ...

Using that logic, every single one of the people in the adult biz have their foot in crap. Because some one they deal with has their foot in crap, or some one, that some one they deal with does. Therefor. This makes absolutely no sense.

Taking what WOULD be profitable traffic from infringer's should be enough. If its not, than perhaps you all need to re-think your strategy.

I would suggest reading Sun Tzu's "Art of War" to fully understand what strategy to use. I would define traffic as food. By limiting the food your enemy intakes, you limit their abilities to expand.

PlugRush SHOULD keep the ability for these warez sites to show their widgets. Because they're not counting them! which limits the income. Which limits the profitability. Which limits their ability to pay for their server bills and expansion efforts.

Why this is considered anything other than helping defeat warez sites is beyond me...

Seriously. Develop a strategy. Then talk about how you're going to take down infringer's. Right now it looks like you're just attacking people you say are infringing via paypal... and calling it a day.... I could list 100 reasons this is flawed, but since its clear people are just picking enemies and sticking to that enemy as if its the only one, until they buckle... is just sad and pointless and resembles a witch hunt by attacking one company. When hundreds of companies on GFY have ads on the same exact websites.

Thats good, but they will find a back door anyway...

It's the porn industry, you don't need to worry about your foot being in crap, because you're waist deep in shit. :2 cents:

Warez - Warez refers primarily to copyrighted works distributed without fees or royalties, and may be traded, in general violation of copyright law.


Wikipedia.

Warez is anything that has copyright that is bring distributed not on the terms of the copyright. Whether its images, videos or software.

i hope they're able to create a good reliable method to help out the legit webmasters and filter out the quick money guys.

no sense in going shady when you can build a stronger and more sustainable income for longterm.