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epitome 01-10-2013 11:51 AM

You're 20 times as likely to be murdered by a gun in the US than any other first world country.

Guess which country let's just about anyone have a gun? The US. So everyone that feels like they need a gun are contributing to the problem.

You idiots keep your guns though. Doesn't bother me and I still won't feel the need to have one because I am not afraid of my shadow.

Dirty F 01-10-2013 11:53 AM

Instead out of 100 people where only 1 criminal has a gun it's way more safe to have all these people walking around with guns. Because 100 people with guns is more safe than 1 criminal with a gun. You don't have to be a rocket scientist too understand this.

Tom_PM 01-10-2013 11:54 AM

Idiots who want to do nothing but add more guns, shut the fuck up.

You've had your chance to try nothing and it doesn't work.

Try another country like your ancestors did. Convince them to arm their citizenry and let us know how it works out if you can tear yourself away from the eternal bliss of paradise long enough.

Dirty F 01-10-2013 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19418784)
You're 20 times as likely to be murdered by a gun in the US than any other first world country.

Bullshit! This is only because not everybody has a gun yet. If everybody would be armed the murders will stop. So stfu with your nonsense.

epitome 01-10-2013 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19418791)
Bullshit! This is only because not everybody has a gun yet. If everybody would be armed the murders will stop. So stfu with your nonsense.

I see your views have finally evolved. ;)

Dirty F 01-10-2013 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 19418788)
Idiots who want to do nothing but add more guns, shut the fuck up.

You've had your chance to try nothing and it doesn't work.

Try another country like your ancestors did. Convince them to arm their citizenry and let us know how it works out if you can tear yourself away from the eternal bliss of paradise long enough.

So how exactly are you gonna protect your family from the murderers and rapists entering your house? You should have a weapon in every room! This will make your life way safer!

dgraves 01-10-2013 12:13 PM

You can't plan for crazy, it can strike anywhere at anytime.

halfpint 01-10-2013 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 19418199)
In these school shootings we see these bastards killing at will for extended periods of time.. they take as many lives as they care to and no one has a chance, at all.

Knowing that- you gun control morons don't want there to be an armed guard, an armed principal, or ANYTHING? You want to be sure that the teachers are defenseless, as well? How ignorant can you gun control proponents even be?!

Making sure that no one in the building has ANY HOPE WHATEVER of survival is NOT the answer. You can say UMMM LIKE GUNZ R BAAAD and try to solve the problem by "getting rid of guns" all you want, but it's stupid.

What you are doing is just exactly like throwing water on someone who is drowning. It's not possible and doesn't make any sense. You may be an idiot and think "ummm, but mor gunz iz mor problums" --- that may make sense to someone with a brain deficiency, but you tell me how you're going to stop these mass killings without a gun, you idiot.

"Ummmm dey shud wate 4 da polices to git derr" ... by then the woman is raped, the child is kidnapped, the child is shot, the mugger has shot you, or everyone is dead, etc.. Or the criminal has taken the whole building. Period. If you want anyone inside to have a chance- you had better hope that someone on YOUR side is in there armed.

Let's ban scary looking weapons again.. It sure worked last time, right? So called assault weapons are used in an extremely small fraction of shooting incidents so they're the problem.. right? Of course. The fact that any city which has ever "banned" guns ended up with a skyrocketing murder and general crime rate doesn't matter, because it's not emotionally convenient, right?

Oh - and - to top it all off, the many incidents where a school shooting was stopped by an armed faculty member didn't get any media coverage since TENS OF PEOPLE FAILED TO DIE and so as a result these don't count since your MEDIA didn't INSTRUCT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT THEM.

So go ahead and make more laws so that the black market for firearms keeps growing.. that way, only criminals (or anyone who wants one) can acquire a firearm and it'll just get easier every DAY for them to do so.

You motherfucking gun control advocates have a lot of innocent blood on your hands. I'm talking about what I KNOW. Most of you who support gun control are picket fence living grey mustard spreading fucking pansy ass fucks who have never had to face reality. Almost anyone who has had REAL WORLD REALITY experience sees right through the myth of gun control making us safer.

I would be DEAD right now if I had not had access to firearms. That's right- I would be DEAD if you destructive bastards had your way. Several times. So before you talk out of your stupid overly white asses anymore, please realize that innocent people DIE every day THANKS TO YOU.


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Go and live in Joburg or Hillbrow in SA then come back and tell me how well owning a gun saves lives. You have no fucking idea what its like to live in a country where even owning a gun wont save your life.
Pretty funny how South Africans thought that by owning and carrying guns would make the country and themselves safer, now most of them have either left or want to leave because its so fucked up with gun and other violence.

God forbid US ever gets to the same violent level as SA

MrMaxwell 01-10-2013 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Phil (Post 19418359)
sure it can make some Guns disappear, Right now police in Tucson just finished doing a gun buyback, Gun toting citizens showed up and handed over 206 firearms to the police, who aim to destroy them.

but the NRA is so fucked up, they are trying to legally stop the cops from destroying the guns, arguing that it is against the law for them to destroy them. Members of the NRA are threatening to sue the police department if they destroy any guns.

the people handing in guns were people who would never use them, women who's husbands owned guns, but had since died, these are the guns that would get stolen, guns that just sit around, in a closet in the basement for years, in a single ladies home. But you morons won't even let the police or government destroy them in an attempt to lower the overall number of guns lying around.


What morons? I sure as hell don't have any part of the NRA for chrissakes!! Why destroy them though? They could go to poor people who cannot afford one for their own defense..

MrMaxwell 01-10-2013 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19418317)
you've posted so many pathetic threads about your fucked up life over the past year or two that i've felt bad for you on many occasions but whatever, thats not the point. your argument isn't logical. just about every country out there with stricter gun laws have a wayyy lower murder rate. places like the UK may have more "violent crime" like general assaults but the murder rate is next to nothing compared to the states.


Some very few places it seems to work, most places it doesn't, and it sure as HELL won't work here. Don't feel bad for me pal I've been to hell and back but I've had plenty of really good times, too. I pay dearly for things I do wrong and I live pretty good at times too. Life.

MrMaxwell 01-10-2013 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xenigo (Post 19418321)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...e#By_ country

Dirty F 01-10-2013 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 19419103)
Some very few places it seems to work, most places it doesn't, and it sure as HELL won't work here. Don't feel bad for me pal I've been to hell and back but I've had plenty of really good times, too. I pay dearly for things I do wrong and I live pretty good at times too. Life.

You seem very sane and stable. Exactly the kind of person who should own a few machine guns.

MrMaxwell 01-10-2013 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 19418343)
you can't. The toothpaste is out of the tube. A gun ban won't make guns disappear -- but we can't NOT do anything because its too hard.

Agreed- but- making people more defenseless and the situation more hopeless can NOT be the answer. That is the whole problem- everyone gets all emotional and the "we have to do SOMETHING" argument comes up and then it's the good old "well anything is better than doing nothing" routine and ... so it goes

MrMaxwell 01-10-2013 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xenigo (Post 19418363)
Yep... all logic has gone out the window when anyone wants to limit the length of an insecure man's penis extension.

Remember a few years back when gas prices started going way up, and the economy started tanking? I remember the same demographic talking about their insanely huge trucks... saying they've driven a big-ass truck forever, and they'd always have a big-ass truck, and nobody was gonna stop them from having a big-ass truck, etc. Now they happily drive Priuses :)


It ain't about dicksize. I don't feel any more powerful with a gun in my pocket than I do without one. I feel a god damned hell of a lot SAFER. Billy the kid wanna be boy wonder morons are the ones who end up getting the press, right, well 999 of 1000 of us own firearms as a tool and not as a playtoy or status symbol.

MrMaxwell 01-10-2013 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19418534)
They had an armed guard at Columbine High School. Fifteen people died, and twenty-one were injured.

Some people seem to think that having an armed guard is going to prevent a shooting - It does not. Once a gun man is at the scene and pulls out a gun, bullets are going to fly, people are going to get hurt, and most likely people are going to die. If there is an armed guard they "might" be in position to do something, but they will in fact only be responding after the damage has been done. To make matters worse, an "armed guard" will most likely be an untrained security guard that will be more of a liability than a super hero.


At least the had a damned chance. Someone being on property when shit jumps off is a hell of a lot better than nothing. Officers will NOT be there for SEVERAL MINUTES and when they get there it may be HOURS before they can make a reasonable decision to go in... Until they're in, the attacker has FULL CONTROL of the whole situation and holds everyones life in his hands for as long as he pleases.

Also- I guarantee you that when there's a real threat every MINUTE seems like a god damned YEAR - I promise you that it does.

MrMaxwell 01-10-2013 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19418557)
I read a similar article on CNN when I first woke up this morning. The NRA prevents all government agencies from doing any kind of research on firearms statistics.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/09/us/nra...iref=allsearch

The NRA used to be about promoting gun safety. I remember their ads from the 1970s; They used to have gun safety classes. But in the late 1970s they became heavily politicized and were less interested in gun safety and more interested in ramming our rights to own assault rifles down our throats.

Firearms used to be all about hunting and target practice - I remember going clay shooting when I was a kid. Now, even though the crime rate is down over all over the past forty years, firearms is all about protection. Which is ironic, because this article claims gun owners are 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault then someone who does not own a firearm.



We need more firearm education. You're talking about the moron who waves his gun around not intending to use it. The first rule anyone should learn.. you pull it only if you're ready to use it. And you should give someone a chance. Pull your gun, warn them, if they advance you stop them. Period.

scottybuzz 01-10-2013 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 19418211)
Allow me to ask a question. I'm not for gun control. I know it won't work, but I am curious.

Assume that every school in America ends up with armed guards in it patrolling the halls. The number of guards will vary depending on the size of the school. How long will it be before these armed guys either accidentally shoot someone or they stop and search innocent people?

It seems to me that the very same people who want the armed guards will then be bitching about the government taking away their freedoms and conducting illegal searches.

Do you agree that this could become the case? You can simultaneously say you want a smaller government to stay out of your business and life while also telling them they need to put armed guards in the school.

great point :1orglaugh:1orglaugh
the same people wanting armed guards are the same idiots moaning about lack of freedom.
Brilliant.

MrMaxwell 01-10-2013 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19418763)
Obviously the solution to all the crime and violence in the US is more guns. Any idiot can see that. More guns = more safe. Arm everybody and there will be no more crime. This is a FACT!

No- "more guns", but in the right hands.

MrMaxwell 01-10-2013 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19418766)
Remind me again MrMaxwell how many times you've been arrested and how many times you've been blackout drunk to where you cannot control yourself or remember a thing?

Then remind me why I should be comfortable with you having a gun...

I've never shot anyone I shouldn't have hurt. Period. I never even shot AT anyone without a good reason. No matter HOW MUCH SHIT they talked or whatever else. Period. Drunk or not.

MrMaxwell 01-10-2013 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19418779)
Exactly. Take away guns and it's all nazi Germany again. God, why can't you anti gun idiots not see this!

Like I said earlier- guns or no guns doesn't matter in terms of there being tyranny. Not anymore. The control is lost, with or without them. Period.

Dirty F 01-10-2013 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 19419123)
No- "more guns", but in the right hands.

In the hands of responsible, sane, stable gun owners like you right?

Rochard 01-10-2013 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 19419116)
At least the had a damned chance. Someone being on property when shit jumps off is a hell of a lot better than nothing. Officers will NOT be there for SEVERAL MINUTES and when they get there it may be HOURS before they can make a reasonable decision to go in... Until they're in, the attacker has FULL CONTROL of the whole situation and holds everyones life in his hands for as long as he pleases.

Also- I guarantee you that when there's a real threat every MINUTE seems like a god damned YEAR - I promise you that it does.

No, they didn't have a damn chance. Not a chance in hell. They had an armed guard and he was utterly useless. The armed guard didn't do anything, and it was local law enforcement who responded and took care of the problem.

MrMaxwell 01-10-2013 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19418784)
You're 20 times as likely to be murdered by a gun in the US than any other first world country.

Guess which country let's just about anyone have a gun? The US. So everyone that feels like they need a gun are contributing to the problem.

You idiots keep your guns though. Doesn't bother me and I still won't feel the need to have one because I am not afraid of my shadow.


That doesn't mean you're 20 times more likely to be murdered here, genius.



UNODC murder rates most recent year
Region Rate Count
Africa 17.0 169,105
Americas 15.4 144,595
Asia 3.1 127,120
Europe 3.5 24,025
Oceania 2.9 1,180
World 6.9 466,078

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

Honduras 91.6 7,104 Americas Central America
El Salvador 69.2 4,308 Americas Central America
Côte d'Ivoire 56.9 10,801 Africa Western Africa
Jamaica 52.2 1,430 Americas Caribbean
Venezuela 45.1 13,080 Americas South America
Belize 41.4 129 Americas Central America
U.S. Virgin Islands 39.2 43 Americas Caribbean
Guatemala 38.5 5,681 Americas Central America
Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2 20 Americas Caribbean
Zambia 38.0 4,710 Africa Eastern Africa
Uganda 36.3 11,373 Africa Eastern Africa
Malawi 36.0 5,039 Africa Eastern Africa
Lesotho 35.2 764 Africa Southern Africa
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2 472 Americas Caribbean
Colombia 33.4 15,459+ Americas South America
South Africa 31.8 15,940 Africa Southern Africa
Congo 30.8 1,180 Africa Middle Africa
Central African Republic 29.3 1,240 Africa Middle Africa
Bahamas 27.4 94 Americas Caribbean
Puerto Rico 26.2 983 Americas Caribbean
Saint Lucia 25.2 44 Americas Caribbean
Dominican Republic 25.0 2,513 Americas Caribbean
Tanzania 24.5 10,357 Africa Eastern Africa
Sudan 24.2 10,028++ Africa Northern Africa
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9 25 Americas Caribbean
Mexico 22.7 25,757+ Americas Northern America
Ethiopia 22.5 20,239 Africa Eastern Africa
Guinea 22.5 2,152 Africa Western Africa
Dominica 22.1 15 Americas Caribbean
Burundi 21.7 1,726 Africa Eastern Africa
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7 13,558 Africa Middle Africa
Panama 21.6 759 Americas Central America
Brazil 21.0 40,974 Americas South America
Equatorial Guinea 20.7 137 Africa Middle Africa
Guinea-Bissau 20.2 294 Africa Western Africa
Kenya 20.1 7,733 Africa Eastern Africa
Kyrgyzstan 20.1 1,072 Asia Central Asia
Cameroon 19.7 3,700 Africa Middle Africa
Montserrat 19.7 1 Americas Caribbean
Greenland 19.2 11 Europe Northern Europe
Angola 19.0 3,426 Africa Middle Africa
Guyana 18.6 140 Americas South America
Burkina Faso 18.0 2,876 Africa Western Africa
Eritrea 17.8 879 Africa Eastern Africa
Namibia 17.2 352 Africa Southern Africa
Rwanda 17.1 1,708 Africa Eastern Africa
Chad 15.8 1,686 Africa Middle Africa
Ghana 15.7 3,646 Africa Western Africa
Ecuador 15.2 2,638 Americas South America
North Korea 15.2 3,658 Asia Eastern Asia
Benin 15.1 1,262 Africa Western Africa
Sierra Leone 14.9 837 Africa Western Africa
Mauritania 14.7 485 Africa Western Africa
Botswana 14.5 287 Africa Southern Africa
Zimbabwe 14.3 1,775 Africa Eastern Africa
Gabon 13.8 200 Africa Middle Africa
Nicaragua 13.6 785 Americas Central America
French Guiana 13.3 30 Americas South America
Papua New Guinea 13.0 854 Oceania Melanesia
Swaziland 12.9 141 Africa Southern Africa
Bermuda 12.3 8 Americas Northern America
Comoros 12.2 85 Africa Eastern Africa
Nigeria 12.2 18,422 Africa Western Africa
Cape Verde 11.6 56 Africa Western Africa
Grenada 11.5 12 Americas Caribbean
Paraguay 11.5 741 Americas South America
Barbados 11.3 31 Americas Caribbean
Togo 10.9 627 Africa Western Africa
Gambia 10.8 106 Africa Western Africa
Peru 10.3 2,969 Americas South America
Myanmar 10.2 4,800 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Russia 10.2 14,574 Europe Eastern Europe
Liberia 10.1 371 Africa Western Africa
Costa Rica 10.0 474 Americas Central America
Nauru 9.8 1 Oceania Micronesia
Bolivia 8.9 884 Americas South America
Mozambique 8.8 1,925 Africa Eastern Africa
Kazakhstan 8.8 1,418 Asia Central Asia
Senegal 8.7 1,027 Africa Western Africa
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7 3 Americas Caribbean
Mongolia 8.7 239 Asia Eastern Asia
British Virgin Islands 8.6 2 Americas Caribbean
Cayman Islands 8.4 5 Americas Caribbean
Seychelles 8.3 7 Africa Eastern Africa
Madagascar 8.1 1,588 Africa Eastern Africa
Indonesia 8.1 18,963 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Mali 8.0 1,157 Africa Western Africa
Pakistan 7.8 13,860+ Asia Southern Asia
Moldova 7.5 267 Europe Eastern Europe
Kiribati 7.3 7 Oceania Micronesia
Guadeloupe 7.0 32 Americas Caribbean
Haiti 6.9 689 Americas Caribbean
Timor-Leste 6.9 75 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Anguilla 6.8 1 Americas Caribbean
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8 6 Americas Caribbean
Lithuania 6.6 219 Europe Northern Europe
Uruguay 5.9 199 Americas South America
Philippines 5.4 4,947 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Ukraine 5.2 2,356 Europe Eastern Europe
Estonia 5.2 70 Europe Northern Europe
Cuba 5.0 563 Americas Caribbean
Belarus 4.9 473 Europe Eastern Europe
United States 4.8 14,748 Americas Northern America
Thailand 4.8 3,307 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Suriname 4.6 24 Americas South America
Laos 4.6 279 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Georgia 4.3 187 Europe Eastern Europe
Martinique 4.2 17 Americas Caribbean
Turkmenistan 4.2 203 Asia Central Asia
Yemen 4.2 990+ Asia Western Asia
Palestine 4.1 145+ Asia Western Asia
Albania 4.0 127 Europe Southern Europe
Niger 3.8 552 Africa Western Africa
Solomon Islands 3.7 19 Oceania Melanesia
Sri Lanka 3.6 745 Asia Southern Asia
Montenegro 3.5 22 Europe Southern Europe
Djibouti 3.4 29 Africa Eastern Africa
Argentina 3.4 1,360 Americas South America
Cambodia 3.4 448 Asia South-Eastern Asia
India 3.4 40,752+ Asia Southern Asia
Turkey 3.3 2,320 Asia Western Asia
Chile 3.2 541 Americas South America
Taiwan 3.2 743 Asia Eastern Asia
Uzbekistan 3.1 831 Asia Central Asia
Latvia 3.1 70 Europe Northern Europe
Iran 3.0 2,215 Asia Southern Asia
Libya 2.9 176+ Africa Northern Africa
Nepal 2.8 818 Asia Southern Asia
Liechtenstein 2.8 1 Europe Western Europe
Fiji 2.8 23 Oceania Melanesia
Bangladesh 2.7 3,988 Asia Southern Asia
South Korea 2.6 1,251 Asia Eastern Asia
Mauritius 2.5 33 Africa Eastern Africa
Luxembourg 2.5 12 Europe Western Europe
Afghanistan 2.4 712+ Asia Southern Asia
Malaysia 2.3 604 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Syria 2.3 463+ Asia Western Asia
Azerbaijan 2.2 206 Asia Western Asia
Kuwait 2.2 59 Asia Western Asia
Lebanon 2.2 95 Asia Western Asia
Finland 2.2 118 Europe Northern Europe
Tajikistan 2.1 143 Asia Central Asia
Israel 2.1 159+ Asia Western Asia
Iraq 2.0 608+ Asia Western Asia
Bulgaria 2.0 147 Europe Eastern Europe
Romania 2.0 421 Europe Eastern Europe
São Tomé and Príncipe 1.9 3 Africa Middle Africa
Macedonia 1.9 40 Europe Southern Europe
Jordan 1.8 100 Asia Western Asia
Cyprus 1.7 19 Asia Western Asia
Czech Republic 1.7 181 Europe Eastern Europe
Belgium 1.7 180 Europe Western Europe
Canada 1.6 554 Americas Northern America
Vietnam 1.6 1,346 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Maldives 1.6 5 Asia Southern Asia
Somalia 1.5 138+ Africa Eastern Africa
Algeria 1.5 516 Africa Northern Africa
Slovakia 1.5 84 Europe Eastern Europe
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.5 56 Europe Southern Europe
Greece 1.5 176 Europe Southern Europe
Morocco 1.4 447 Africa Northern Africa
Armenia 1.4 44 Asia Western Asia
Croatia 1.4 62 Europe Southern Europe
Hungary 1.3 133 Europe Eastern Europe
Andorra 1.3 1 Europe Southern Europe
Egypt 1.2 992 Africa Northern Africa
Ireland 1.2 54 Europe Northern Europe
United Kingdom 1.2 722 Europe Northern Europe
Portugal 1.2 124 Europe Southern Europe
Serbia 1.2 123 Europe Southern Europe
Tunisia 1.1 117 Africa Northern Africa
Poland 1.1 436 Europe Eastern Europe
France 1.1 682 Europe Western Europe
Netherlands 1.1 179 Europe Western Europe
Samoa 1.1 2 Oceania Polynesia
China 1.0 13,410 Asia Eastern Asia
Bhutan 1.0 7 Asia Southern Asia
Saudi Arabia 1.0 265+ Asia Western Asia
Sweden 1.0 91 Europe Northern Europe
Malta 1.0 4 Europe Southern Europe
Australia 1.0 229 Oceania Australasia
Tonga 1.0 1 Oceania Polynesia
Qatar 0.9 13 Asia Western Asia
Denmark 0.9 47 Europe Northern Europe
Italy 0.9 529 Europe Southern Europe
New Zealand 0.9 39 Oceania Australasia
Vanuatu 0.9 2 Oceania Melanesia
Federated States of Micronesia 0.9 1 Oceania Micronesia
United Arab Emirates 0.8 39 Asia Western Asia
Spain 0.8 390 Europe Southern Europe
Germany 0.8 690 Europe Western Europe
Macau 0.7 4 Asia Eastern Asia
Oman 0.7 18 Asia Western Asia
Slovenia 0.7 15 Europe Southern Europe
Switzerland 0.7 52 Europe Western Europe
Bahrain 0.6 6 Asia Western Asia
Norway 0.6 29 Europe Northern Europe
Austria 0.6 56 Europe Western Europe
Guam 0.6 1 Oceania Micronesia
Brunei 0.5 2 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Japan 0.4 506 Asia Eastern Asia
French Polynesia 0.4 1 Oceania Polynesia
Singapore 0.3 16 Asia South-Eastern Asia
Iceland 0.3 1 Europe Northern Europe
Hong Kong 0.2 17 Asia Eastern Asia
Monaco 0.0 0 Europe Western Europe
Palau 0.0

MrMaxwell 01-10-2013 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19418786)
Instead out of 100 people where only 1 criminal has a gun it's way more safe to have all these people walking around with guns. Because 100 people with guns is more safe than 1 criminal with a gun. You don't have to be a rocket scientist too understand this.


That's right stupid, because those 100 unarmed people can all be controlled by that ONE ASSHOLE WITH A GUN if NONE OF THEM HAVE ONE

Jesus

Follow along and stop following along

Rochard 01-10-2013 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 19419118)
We need more firearm education. You're talking about the moron who waves his gun around not intending to use it. The first rule anyone should learn.. you pull it only if you're ready to use it. And you should give someone a chance. Pull your gun, warn them, if they advance you stop them. Period.

It's not so much firearm education as being fucking arrogant. Us Americans always think we are right, never accept we might be wrong, and even if we are dead wrong we will never admit.

The concept of "never pulling a weapon unless you are ready to use it" is long gone. People use it for intimidation. They think it makes them a man or something. Shooting someone at ten yards is not impressive; My kid can do that. But if you are man enough to break my jaw with a 2x4, then I'll be impressed.

MrMaxwell 01-10-2013 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 19418788)
Idiots who want to do nothing but add more guns, shut the fuck up.

You've had your chance to try nothing and it doesn't work.

Try another country like your ancestors did. Convince them to arm their citizenry and let us know how it works out if you can tear yourself away from the eternal bliss of paradise long enough.


YOU try another country you unAmerican FUCK

Guns are part of OUR culture here in AMERICA where my not so distant relatives DIED to protect... if you don't like OUR rules GET THE GOD DAMN FUCK OUT because WE are not going fucking ANYWHERE don't you EVER tell ME that *I* am the fucking OUTSIDER in my own country, no matter WHO you are you motherfucker you!!!

It takes a-lot for some retarded moron to piss me off over the internet, but that was over the line, what the fuck is wrong with you?

GTFO :mad:

If you just wrote that to me from inside of the states, I don't even have words for what I have to say to YOU

MrMaxwell 01-10-2013 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 19418821)
Go and live in Joburg or Hillbrow in SA then come back and tell me how well owning a gun saves lives. You have no fucking idea what its like to live in a country where even owning a gun wont save your life.
Pretty funny how South Africans thought that by owning and carrying guns would make the country and themselves safer, now most of them have either left or want to leave because its so fucked up with gun and other violence.

God forbid US ever gets to the same violent level as SA


South Africa is not anywhere near being anything like the states.. at all. Not at all. On many many many levels.

Dirty F 01-10-2013 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 19419154)
YOU try another country you unAmerican FUCK

Guns are part of OUR culture here in AMERICA where my not so distant relatives DIED to protect... if you don't like OUR rules GET THE GOD DAMN FUCK OUT because WE are not going fucking ANYWHERE don't you EVER tell ME that *I* am the fucking OUTSIDER in my own country, no matter WHO you are you motherfucker you!!!

It takes a-lot for some retarded moron to piss me off over the internet, but that was over the line, what the fuck is wrong with you?

GTFO :mad:

If you just wrote that to me from inside of the states, I don't even have words for what I have to say to YOU

You sound really stable and sane.

MrMaxwell 01-10-2013 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19419166)
You sound really stable and sane.

I am. That's the first time I got mad with some internet moron in YEARS. Except for a few times when I was drunk.

Dirty F 01-10-2013 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 19419177)
I am. That's the first time I got mad with some internet moron in YEARS. Except for a few times when I was drunk.

Sure you are. Sounds totally reasonable that you have guns. Nothing to worry about.

pimpmaster9000 01-10-2013 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 19419136)
[B]
Region Rate Count
Africa 17.0 169,105
Americas 15.4 144,595
Asia 3.1 127,120
Europe 3.5 24,025
Oceania 2.9 1,180
World 6.9 466,078

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

it seems as though most of the violence in the world is in africa and america who have 6x the murder rate of asia,europe and oceania combined...

at the very bottom of the list of violence are asia and europe...with the most violent european country being greenland ?!?! and then russia right after this...

approx the same amount of murders happened in the USA, colombia, russia and nigeria and pakistan, and china in the same year...

only to be outdone by india who had 3x the murder rate but they also have close to a billion citizens so the math is the same...by same comparison china is less violent than the USA if you take in to account population....

war torn, packed to the tooth with weapons iraq had like 10x less murders than in the USA...iraq that is full of "insurgents" and "terrorists"...

its safe to say that something is very wrong in the USA leader of the free world democracy shit...

epitome 01-10-2013 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 19419136)
That doesn't mean you're 20 times more likely to be murdered here, genius.



UNODC murder rates most recent year
Region Rate Count
Africa 17.0 169,105
Americas 15.4 144,595
Asia 3.1 127,120
Europe 3.5 24,025
Oceania 2.9 1,180
World 6.9 466,078

Oh, I'm sorry, it's only 5x as likely. My bad. In that case, everybody should have a gun! But hey, Africa still has more gun deaths so woohoo!

epitome 01-10-2013 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 19419124)
I've never shot anyone I shouldn't have hurt. Period. I never even shot AT anyone without a good reason. No matter HOW MUCH SHIT they talked or whatever else. Period. Drunk or not.

You're also someone that thinks cops unfairly harass you so I think our definitions of "good reason" may vary.

PS Are you on the bottle today?

Dirty F 01-10-2013 04:17 PM

This is a great example of the type of people who cry the loudest about gun rights.
A drunk, highly unstable idiot with an extremely low iq. This guy is telling us who should own guns. The irony...

CyberHustler 01-10-2013 04:17 PM

How is a the fact that having more guns means more gun crimes a shocker? They took Britain's guns away, now knives are the number 1 killer. Should they ban knives?

I agree average joe shouldn't have an assault rifle, but taking our guns away wont stop killings, the weapon of choice will just change.

Rochard 01-10-2013 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 19419136)
That doesn't mean you're 20 times more likely to be murdered here, genius.



UNODC murder rates most recent year
Region Rate Count
Africa 17.0 169,105
Americas 15.4 144,595
Asia 3.1 127,120
Europe 3.5 24,025
Oceania 2.9 1,180
World 6.9 466,078

Fun with numbers!

Odd, I don't see North America on your list. Or South America for that matter. Let me fix that for you.

Region Rate Count
South America 20.0 79,039
North America 3.9 13,558

3.9 is better than the world wide average of 6.9.

Rochard 01-10-2013 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 19419215)
How is a the fact that having more guns means more gun crimes a shocker? They took Britain's guns away, now knives are the number 1 killer. Should they ban knives?

I agree average joe shouldn't have an assault rifle, but taking our guns away wont stop killings, the weapon of choice will just change.

The volume changes too.

With a knife you are a lot less likely to kill someone, meaning you can stab them but not kill them. With a gun if you hit them you are more likely to kill them. Also, you cannot stab thirty poeple in three minutes and kill everyone, where you can with a firearm.

Rochard 01-10-2013 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 19419188)
it seems as though most of the violence in the world is in africa and america who have 6x the murder rate of asia,europe and oceania combined...

at the very bottom of the list of violence are asia and europe...with the most violent european country being greenland ?!?! and then russia right after this...

approx the same amount of murders happened in the USA, colombia, russia and nigeria and pakistan, and china in the same year...

only to be outdone by india who had 3x the murder rate but they also have close to a billion citizens so the math is the same...by same comparison china is less violent than the USA if you take in to account population....

war torn, packed to the tooth with weapons iraq had like 10x less murders than in the USA...iraq that is full of "insurgents" and "terrorists"...

its safe to say that something is very wrong in the USA leader of the free world democracy shit...

The stats are you looking at are misleading. They include both South America and North America, and South America is horrible.

Dirty F 01-10-2013 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 19419215)
How is a the fact that having more guns means more gun crimes a shocker? They took Britain's guns away, now knives are the number 1 killer. Should they ban knives?

I agree average joe shouldn't have an assault rifle, but taking our guns away wont stop killings, the weapon of choice will just change.

Look, another great example. A guy who is stoned 24/7 is telling us who should have guns and who not.
Ofcourse he is a highly responsible gun owner. Just like every single gun owner on gfy. Every gun owner on gfy is highly qualified to own guns. Doesn't matter they are drunks, junkies and mentally ill.

Dirty F 01-10-2013 04:27 PM

It is very clear on gfy that the people crying the hardest about their gun rights have the lowest iq. Intelligent people are less likely to own a gun.

CyberHustler 01-10-2013 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19419222)
The volume changes too.

With a knife you are a lot less likely to kill someone, meaning you can stab them but not kill them. With a gun if you hit them you are more likely to kill them. Also, you cannot stab thirty poeple in three minutes and kill everyone, where you can with a firearm.

True, but the point of a gun is to kill... so im ok that is does the job better than a knife.

CyberHustler 01-10-2013 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19419227)
Look, another great example. A guy who is stoned 24/7 is telling us who should have guns and who not.
Ofcourse he is a highly responsible gun owner. Just like every single gun owner on gfy. Every gun owner on gfy is highly qualified to own guns. Doesn't matter they are drunks, junkies and mentally ill.

Should Britain ban knives though?

When guns are gone, knives will be the new wave for GFY trolls lol

sarettah 01-10-2013 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 19419124)
I've never shot anyone I shouldn't have hurt. Period. I never even shot AT anyone without a good reason. No matter HOW MUCH SHIT they talked or whatever else. Period. Drunk or not.

So, you have actually shot at several people? And actually have hit a few of them?

You have such an amazing life.

I stated to you in one of the threads where you were discussing your arrest record that most people manage to go through their entire lives without being arrested.

I feel that now I must (for whatever reason) inform you that most people go through their entire life without shooting a weapon at someone and that includes most gun owners and most cops. The people that you are likely to meet that have actually shot at someone on purpose usually did it in the military, during time of war and the weapon was pointed at the enemy.

Like I say, for a white boy wanna be black gang banger drunk genius from bumfuck Kansas you sure do live an interesting life.

.

Dirty F 01-10-2013 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 19419261)
So, you have actually shot at several people? And actually have hit a few of them?

You have such an amazing life.

I stated to you in one of the threads where you were discussing your arrest record that most people manage to go through their entire lives without being arrested.

I feel that now I must (for whatever reason) inform you that most people go through their entire life without shooting a weapon at someone and that includes most gun owners and most cops. The people that you are likely to meet that have actually shot at someone on purpose usually did it in the military, during time of war and the weapon was pointed at the enemy.

Like I say, for a white boy wanna be black gang banger drunk genius from bumfuck Kansas you sure do live an interesting life.

.

His iq must be so damn low.

sarettah 01-10-2013 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19419271)
His iq must be so damn low.

Haven't you read his posts? He is a genius, he will tell you so himself :thumbsup


But, what do I know? I own guns so I guess I have a low iq too?


Dooooohhhhhhhhh.


;p

kane 01-10-2013 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 19418271)
We can't afford armed guards in every school. If we had them, any accidental deaths would be so extremely rare that the lives saved would far far far outnumber them.

You or anyone would agree that police officers running around with guns hasn't caused more accidental deaths than it has saved innocent lives, right? And that is even considering that most of them are the worst shooters on earth.

I am saying that adults who work in schools should have the choice and be allowed to arm themselves. Calling for a mandate to arm faculty is a far cry from what I'm talking about. I am saying that if someone on our side is in there armed, we at least have a CHANCE.

While you could make the argument that allowing adults who work in schools to carry guns could help, I personally would likely be more worried about sending my kid to a school where the staff was packing than risking the very unlikely chance someone is going to shoot up the school.

I look back on my high school and there really were only a couple of teachers that I would have felt comfortable with being armed. Many of my teachers were odd, burned out or simply didn't care. Also, having a gun and properly using it when needed are two different things. If you are armed and you hear gunfire in another area of the school you have to be willing to move towards it, put yourself in harms way, and shoot the person responsible for it. Most people aren't built that way. They would hear the gunfire and haul ass to protect themselves or they would get themselves and the students in their area out.

Sure, maybe a teacher could take one of of these shooters out and it could reduce the amount of damage done, but in my mind the potential for other bad things to happen (like in the chaos the teacher shoots the wrong person) or nothing to happen are just as likely.

epitome 01-10-2013 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 19419261)
So, you have actually shot at several people? And actually have hit a few of them?

You have such an amazing life.

I stated to you in one of the threads where you were discussing your arrest record that most people manage to go through their entire lives without being arrested.

I feel that now I must (for whatever reason) inform you that most people go through their entire life without shooting a weapon at someone and that includes most gun owners and most cops. The people that you are likely to meet that have actually shot at someone on purpose usually did it in the military, during time of war and the weapon was pointed at the enemy.

Like I say, for a white boy wanna be black gang banger drunk genius from bumfuck Kansas you sure do live an interesting life.

.

And.... /thread

SilentKnight 01-10-2013 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 19418199)
In these school shootings we see these bastards killing at will for extended periods of time.. they take as many lives as they care to and no one has a chance, at all.

Knowing that- you gun control morons don't want there to be an armed guard, an armed principal, or ANYTHING? You want to be sure that the teachers are defenseless, as well? How ignorant can you gun control proponents even be?!

Making sure that no one in the building has ANY HOPE WHATEVER of survival is NOT the answer. You can say UMMM LIKE GUNZ R BAAAD and try to solve the problem by "getting rid of guns" all you want, but it's stupid.

What you are doing is just exactly like throwing water on someone who is drowning. It's not possible and doesn't make any sense. You may be an idiot and think "ummm, but mor gunz iz mor problums" --- that may make sense to someone with a brain deficiency, but you tell me how you're going to stop these mass killings without a gun, you idiot.

"Ummmm dey shud wate 4 da polices to git derr" ... by then the woman is raped, the child is kidnapped, the child is shot, the mugger has shot you, or everyone is dead, etc.. Or the criminal has taken the whole building. Period. If you want anyone inside to have a chance- you had better hope that someone on YOUR side is in there armed.

Let's ban scary looking weapons again.. It sure worked last time, right? So called assault weapons are used in an extremely small fraction of shooting incidents so they're the problem.. right? Of course. The fact that any city which has ever "banned" guns ended up with a skyrocketing murder and general crime rate doesn't matter, because it's not emotionally convenient, right?

Oh - and - to top it all off, the many incidents where a school shooting was stopped by an armed faculty member didn't get any media coverage since TENS OF PEOPLE FAILED TO DIE and so as a result these don't count since your MEDIA didn't INSTRUCT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT THEM.

So go ahead and make more laws so that the black market for firearms keeps growing.. that way, only criminals (or anyone who wants one) can acquire a firearm and it'll just get easier every DAY for them to do so.

You motherfucking gun control advocates have a lot of innocent blood on your hands. I'm talking about what I KNOW. Most of you who support gun control are picket fence living grey mustard spreading fucking pansy ass fucks who have never had to face reality. Almost anyone who has had REAL WORLD REALITY experience sees right through the myth of gun control making us safer.

I would be DEAD right now if I had not had access to firearms. That's right- I would be DEAD if you destructive bastards had your way. Several times. So before you talk out of your stupid overly white asses anymore, please realize that innocent people DIE every day THANKS TO YOU.


[/rant] :mad:

You self-defeat any argument you may have simply with your attitude and utter lack of respect for the opinions of others.

bigluv 01-10-2013 05:24 PM

Jesus you americans really baffle me.

You guys gonna turn your schools into the TSA part 2?

It's not even arguable, ok. People do go postal, it just happens. If there's less guns around, chances are a bit better it wont be as bad when it happens.

Also, if you guys would just get rid of your hahahaha's with the guns (or both at the same time) everything would be a lot safer on your streets.

Lastly, fuck mr maxwell, just shut up please idiot.

Why don't you guys post safety instructors in the passenger seat of every vehicle on the road? You'd fucking save more lives than your TSA and this school guard thing combined.

Rochard 01-10-2013 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigluv (Post 19419303)

You guys gonna turn your schools into the TSA part 2?

They bitch about the airports, but just wait until their kid gets busted at a school check point for pot. LOL.


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