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Mr Pheer 01-16-2013 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultPornMasta (Post 19428850)
http://www.texasgunlaws.org/chap9.htm

"SUBCHAPTER D. PROTECTION OF PROPERTY

Sec. 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY.

(a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property.

(b) A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible, movable property by another is justified in using force against the other when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the property if the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit after the dispossession and:

(1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no claim of right when he dispossessed the actor; or

(2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using force, threat, or fraud against the actor.


Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY.

A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury."

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Apparently the law has changed since I studied this stuff in the late 90's. Or at least what you stated is different that what my instructor taught me, as the law you quoted says justified... my instructor taught us that it was defense to prosecution.

Either way, thieves shouldnt be thieves. Nobody should have to stand inside their home, staring out the window while someone else steals their property. They would have just gotten away and then continued being thieves. Kind of bad that one had to die over it but I cant say that I have more than little sympathy.

JP-pornshooter 01-16-2013 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 19428877)
Apparently the law has changed since I studied this stuff in the late 90's. Or at least what you stated is different that what my instructor taught me, as the law you quoted says justified... my instructor taught us that it was defense to prosecution.

Either way, thieves shouldnt be thieves. Nobody should have to stand inside their home, staring out the window while someone else steals their property. They would have just gotten away and then continued being thieves. Kind of bad that one had to die over it but I cant say that I have more than little sympathy.

i kinda agree with you on this.

dont steal folks, and definitively dont steal in Texas.

Rochard 01-16-2013 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19428385)
Richard pls point out where I said it was okay to kill people for petty crimes and this was in TEXAS with different set of homestead laws than CALIFORNIA and I have no idea what will happen to the guy....... you're getting hysterical. the only insanity is your rambling post

Where did you point out it was okay to kill people for petty crimes?

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...no regard for laws or personal property AND a man or woman should be able to defend their 'homestead' which is how I think the Texas law lays it out...
You said people do not have respect for laws or personal property and should be able to defend their "homestead".

I don't give a shit where it happened, be it California or Texas - and I am aware of the laws in Texas. If someone breaks into your house and attacks you with a knife you can shoot them as many times as you want. If someone is breaking into your car you don't go on a shooting spree killing people.

Rochard 01-16-2013 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19428401)
are you implying that people with guns have borderline personality disorders? and by inference saying that mentally healthy don't own guns?

Most people who own firearms live in fear and are afraid of their own shadow.

I have a friend of mine who lives in the same home town here, and he goes shooting every weekend and has a dozen firearms because he's worried that his "house might be invaded" or someone will break in at night and threaten them. He owns a small glass cleaning, recently married, and recently became a father. Other than his firearms, he has little of value. He made some comments about Obama and potential gun laws that cracked me up - He told me he would go to war with the government if they tried to take away his AR15. Why is it that he lives in fear like this when he lives in the same town with a rather low crime rate?

PornMD 01-16-2013 06:17 PM

I don't own a firearm, but only one of my immediate family members has not had their home robbed, and my best friend has been robbed multiple times at gunpoint, so I can understand why some people might feel they need the protection. I personally don't - have had shit stolen from me but not as a robbery or burglary, just a box of Magic cards when in high school. My father has not only been burgled but had his house shot up, thankfully not while he was there.

It is no longer the 50s where you can trust everything/everyone will be safe.

AdultPornMasta 01-16-2013 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PornMD (Post 19428940)
I don't own a firearm, but only one of my immediate family members has not had their home robbed, and my best friend has been robbed multiple times at gunpoint, so I can understand why some people might feel they need the protection. I personally don't - have had shit stolen from me but not as a robbery or burglary, just a box of Magic cards when in high school. My father has not only been burgled but had his house shot up, thankfully not while he was there.

It is no longer the 50s where you can trust everything/everyone will be safe.

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AdultPornMasta 01-16-2013 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19428931)
Most people who own firearms live in fear and are afraid of their own shadow.

I have a friend of mine who lives in the same home town here, and he goes shooting every weekend and has a dozen firearms because he's worried that his "house might be invaded" or someone will break in at night and threaten them. He owns a small glass cleaning, recently married, and recently became a father. Other than his firearms, he has little of value. He made some comments about Obama and potential gun laws that cracked me up - He told me he would go to war with the government if they tried to take away his AR15. Why is it that he lives in fear like this when he lives in the same town with a rather low crime rate?

"Most people who own firearms live in fear and are afraid of their own shadow."

That is the biggest pile of steaming horseshit I have ever read.

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EddyTheDog 01-16-2013 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PornMD (Post 19428940)
I don't own a firearm, but only one of my immediate family members has not had their home robbed, and my best friend has been robbed multiple times at gunpoint, so I can understand why some people might feel they need the protection. I personally don't - have had shit stolen from me but not as a robbery or burglary, just a box of Magic cards when in high school. My father has not only been burgled but had his house shot up, thankfully not while he was there.

It is no longer the 50s where you can trust everything/everyone will be safe.

You had some cards stolen in the 50's?

What the fuck....

topnotch, standup guy 01-16-2013 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by grumpy (Post 19428352)
a car radio for a live, what world are you living in?

The best way to avoid getting shot by guys like that is to not steal their shit.

Sounds like a fair arrangement to me :thumbsup
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sandman! 01-16-2013 08:07 PM

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brassmonkey 01-16-2013 08:30 PM

i havent heard any gunshots since new years :(

Barry-xlovecam 01-16-2013 09:04 PM

Using lethal force to protect property when your person is not faced with imminent lethal threat is manslaughter in this state.

That is what personal property insurance is for.

13 shots to hit 2 men? That fucker could not hit the broad side of a barn. Assholes like that ended up on Boot Hill in unmarked graves in 1870's Texas :helpme

L-Pink 01-16-2013 09:07 PM

Tough state to be a criminal …… Put the blame where it belongs, on the criminals.

"Bexar County Texas First Assistant District Attorney Cliff Herberg, said he couldn't comment on the specifics of this case but said Texas law allows for deadly force to be used to protect property, including against a person fleeing with the property.

The law also covers theft or criminal mischief occurring at night."

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BlackCrayon 01-17-2013 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19429256)
Using lethal force to protect property when your person is not faced with imminent lethal threat is manslaughter in this state.

That is what personal property insurance is for.

13 shots to hit 2 men? That fucker could not hit the broad side of a barn. Assholes like that ended up on Boot Hill in unmarked graves in 1870's Texas :helpme

no doubt. he's lucky the bullet didn't kill some poor kid in the house across the street.

BlackCrayon 01-17-2013 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19429261)
Tough state to be a criminal ?? Put the blame where it belongs, on the criminals.

"Bexar County Texas First Assistant District Attorney Cliff Herberg, said he couldn't comment on the specifics of this case but said Texas law allows for deadly force to be used to protect property, including against a person fleeing with the property.

The law also covers theft or criminal mischief occurring at night."

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pretty pathetic. i'm sorry but anyone who feels they should kill someone because they stole their car is psychopath in my opinion.

EliteWebmaster 01-17-2013 06:14 AM

If you do the crime, you do the time. It's the nature of the game, I applauded the property owner for using extreme prejudice on these scum bag thieves. My only regret is that his aim wasn't better and the other thief is alive :)

L-Pink 01-17-2013 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19429730)
pretty pathetic. i'm sorry but anyone who feels they should kill someone because they stole their car is psychopath in my opinion.

I'll bet everything I have this wasn't their first crime. Why do people give 2 shits about the criminal element in our society?

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