I agree - something clearly needs to be done and it's impossible to please everyone. Banning truly isn't fair to those who are responsible owners that feel they are being grouped with idiots and criminals. No one set of laws are going to solve the problem. Respecting guns should start early in life along with how and when to use them.

Yeah. Forget the facts.

That is by design. The .223, although lethal, is used by NATO to take 3 enemy soldiers off the battle field instead of one. In other words, the soldier that gets hit does not die and two other soldiers have to help the wounded soldier (screaming in pain) off the field along with their gear. Thus, less enemy soldiers in the fight.

please stop posting here

Also, the round tumbles inside the body and creates a different kind of havoc than something like 7.62, which is made for max penetration. The .223 doesn't usually go through, but that's one of the reasons it can be even more lethal. This is something OP obviously knows nothing about, and although he's been told how wrong he is by more than few people in this thread who actually understand the differences between rifle rounds, he still will never back off of the point he was awkwardly trying to make -- because that's how those people operate. There's no mental capacity to realize how wrong they are. It's all an emotional argument.

Part of my argument is based on emotion after hearing what the children in that classroom looked like after the massacre, but I know something about guns also. I've always been into guns, although I haven't owned one in a few years -- and I think the second ammendment is a great thing, and no one should have their house raided to take their guns away. But putting a little bit of a stopper on the free flow of guns around our society (especially military style weapons) can't be a bad thing. Making guns much harder to get could keep them out of the hands of a psycho.

We're not going to change human nature, or be able to identify ill people or criminal before they do something shitty. But we can control how many guns are around for them to grab and use on innocent people. We can't NOT try, so I think its great that the prez is taking a firm stance on this. Gun nuts should calm the fuck down because no one is coming for your precious guns.

Donny is the exact person that should NEVER own a gun. Fucking nutter.

Why?


Nobody seems to think like this,

Cops have guns in the US to protect themselves, they have tactical shot guns, they have high capacity semi automatic pistols and they have AR-15's with high capacity magazines. No one carries revolvers anymore

These are for their protection.

Not for our protection.

If they can have it ton protect themselves ( Most I have shot with are not very good shots ) Then why can't we?

All you haters are blaming the guns when most of the big shooters were on antidepressants, why don't we just make the doctors that prescribed them responsible for the shootings?

Donny has mental issues and has been accused of stalking. This is why he and people like him should never be allowed to own a gun.

Folks like yourself that are sane I don't have a problem with owning a gun. I don't think you should be allowed an assult rifle. Owning a hand gun for protection, so be it.

LOL, let's here it for not knowing shit

The .223 is a civilian version of the military 5.56mm, the 5.56mm can't be fired from a normal .223, but the .223 can be fired from a 5.56mm. The 5.56mm is a lot more powerful and that's what's in the military M-16

The 5.56mm is a NATO round , not the .223

It has a higher pressure, but its still almost the same round, minus some small tolerance differences. The .223 will fuck your day up just as badly as a 5.56.

If he was accused of stalking, then someone can get a restraining order and then Donny can't own a gun while it's in place. That's a fucked up law that Clinton put in place and in California, the courts will give out a restraining order for just about anything. Then do so because of Liability, not because of right and wrong.

As far as mental issues, talk to any therapist, everyone has an issue according to them, that's why they have therapists they can talk to. That's like going to a mechanic, they will always find a problem with your car.

There is no difference between an M14 and a AR-15, except the M14 is not considered an assault weapon, it can carry the same amount of ammo and it uses the 308 which does a hell of a lot more damage.

http://www.biggerbids.com/members/im...SniperMain.jpg

There are a few differences in the round, my AR can shoot them all day. They have a bigger kick, which is why people like the .223, hardly a kick. Why I taught my daughter on an M1 Carbine, it's uses a pistol load, yet it's a military issued weapon that has killed many more people than the AR-15.

I just hate when people chime in about guns and haven't shot anything more than a nerf pistol and are experts with ammo. It's sad.

The 5.56mm was designed for light weight. If a soldier can carry 500 more rounds on his or her back because of a smaller round, that's a good thing! Not because of it not doing damage, that was just retarded

bullets should be expensive as fuck...the government should make a "buy back" program for unregistered guns and pay good $$$...shit you guys lose 10.000 people every year to this it costs you a fuck load more than terrorism...they should give immunity to anybody willing to hand over an illegal fire arm and give them $$$ for the guns and ammo...

will it stop crime? NO...but guns will not be so easy to come by...they will become more expensive even in the black market...it will reduce gun crime...

more gun tax...heavy gun tax...make them scarce though high prices...the more they can fire rounds/second the higher the tax should be..."insanity tax"...


tax is the key...they can form a black market but the gov will have tons of money to buy it back though the profits made in tax...

criminals will try to abuse by bringing cheap guns in the USA and selling to the government but you can still give immunity to the seller and follow him back to the smuggler and bust the smuggler...

does not stop all guns but it solves a lot...

I've been accused of many things. That's what happens when people don't like you. The truth, however, is quite different. Some said I was stalking my ex. I guess I need to hear what their definition of stalking happens to be. After we broke up, I've never once showed up in the same place where she was, except with permission from her to talk. That happened one time, not too terribly long after things went to crap, and like I said, I had permission.

As for mental issues... what might those be? I'd like to know so I can inform my psychiatrist. He's found nothing wrong with me. I've told him there MUST be, because my ex and others say so. Alas, the good doc insists there is not. Would you be so kind as to illuminate us on what we're missing?

As the photo and text in the original post indicates, what you're labeling an "assault" rifle... isn't. It just LOOKS scary. That's not good enough to deny such a gun from folks who wish to purchase one.