NEWS FLASH

The "Obamacare" legislation was written by the right-wing Heritage Foundation and first proposed in 1993, co-sponsored by 18 republicans including Bob Dole.

And somehow, Obama is the radical socialist communist marxist :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Fucking Big +1 :2 cents: :thumbsup
My guess is that 90% of the europeans think like this.

I know isnt it funny. lol

Good luck getting anyone locked in the right wing media bubble to accept or acknowledge this...

Lots of arm chair politics going on, so lets see how little sense you guys make, first, the government is not going to have drone attacks on gun owners, because then everyone will live in the city and the crops will go un-managed.

Those that think the US citizens can't stand up to the US military, Do you know just how many hunters there are in the US?

Wisconsin has 600,000 hunters, 700,000 in Michigan, 250,000 in West Virginia, 750,000 in Penn state, those 4 states make the largest standing army in the world. A lot of these guys are ex military.

You idiots real think the soldiers would open fire on US citizens, get real

The real reason for idiots shooting in mass shootings, most all of them were on anti depressants, so lets put the doctors on trial! Not the guns, you would think people that work in porn would understand that that losing any rights is not a good thing!

Fine, close your borders asshole, see how long you last without our money!

Some people will believe anything, this is from the Heritage Foundations website



Heritage policy experts never supported an unqualified mandate like that in the PPACA [ObamaCare]. Their prior support for a qualified mandate was limited to catastrophic coverage (true insurance that is precisely what the PPACA forbids), coupled with tax relief for all families and other reforms that are conspicuously absent from the PPACA. Since then, a growing body of research has provided a strong basis to conclude that any government insurance mandate is not only unnecessary, but is a bad policy option. Moreover, Heritage?s legal scholars have been consistent in explaining that the type of mandate in the PPACA is unconstitutional.


Obamacare puts the health care system on the wrong track and will expand the role of the federal government in every component of Americans? health care. To get the health care system on the right track that empowers patients, reduces cost, and ensures access, Obamacare must be repealed.

Why would they?

Considering , like Pelosi said, we'll know whats in it after we sign it, that no one read the fucking thing, let alone understand that 300 million people still won't be insured after it's in full swing according the CBO and that billions of dollars are going to be generated by those that are TAXED extra for not joining their Obamacare. All written by staffers and lobbyist, yeah I feel safer, NOT!

Too soon to tell my ass, fucking president can't balance a budget in 4 years but can sign an executive order about firearms that weren't even used in the shooting, ( In less than a month at a cost of 500 million) he's a fucking government wasteful asshole and people that are buying this shit have no fucking clue what's going to happen to our economy when the budget is over a trillion over what they are bringing in. Guess basic math escapes everyone

Guess the politicians will have to stop taking money from the schools.

He really isnt also congress is in charge of spending but you only listen to pundits, so a smart man like yourself just says weak ass talking points.

Thanks :thumbsup

I am sure there would be some brainwashed gung ho troopers that would follow orders and turn on its own people for the sake of homeland security, god and loyalty to the country....but then again there would be many that would not. I would hope that any troops given that order would terminate with extreme prejudice, the individual giving the order....I know I would.

Lots of citizens with weapons in this country that have had their fill of this government and their antics and would not hesitate to turn given a worse case scenario, that being.....the government giving out orders to turn on the people of this country.....:2 cents:

You're picking nits.

I'll split difference with you and say the Heritage Foundation plan had what you could call a catastrophic individual mandate. Nonetheless, an individual mandate.

Since then, the plan has been introduced at least 3 times that I know of

1993 - co-sponsored by 18 republicans including Bob Dole - individual mandate

2006 - Romneycare in Massachusetts (you know, that thing he had to pretend never happened) - individual mandate

2010 - Obamacare (most of which doesn't start until 2014) - individual mandate

Once again... and somehow, Obama is the radical socialist communist marxist :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

lol Reagan wanted universal healthcare . but passing a law that overhauls the healthcare system , doesn't cover anymore people than are covered now and the shitheads that are pushing it admit they haven't read it are the people you are backing? seriously , who is drinking the cool aid? please don't be an idiot

btw I'm an American not a GOP or a Demi. I'm out for what's right for the country. anyone that thinks the current administrations is out for the them is living in a fantasy world and hasn't realized that someone has to pay for all overspending this shit for brains is doing

I'm not backing anyone (see sig). I'm pointing out the comic hilarity of right wingers shitting all over a right wing plan and calling it extreme socialism when it's their fucking plan in the first place.

oh, and btw vendzilla... thanks for not addressing my core point that so-called obamacare is and always has been a right wing plan.

One hunnerd Canadian Hippies stirring the pot...

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100 let's shoot the messenger because he happens to be canadian...even though he makes a good point

Civil war in America is no longer an option...

Wow what an intelligent arguement, shut me up.

So basically you are against me because I want the USA to clean up thier retarded drug laws because it affects my country? And it irritates you when I respond to ignorant statements about closing the bording, pointing out the fact that it would have a major adverse effect on the US economy?

I like when you say your an independant and anti government when you spew the talking points of Fox News and the useless US congress.

You made one good point in ten posts when you brought up the connection between anti depressants and mass shootings. Unfortunatley for you the prescription drug lobby owns the republican party, they will tell you to get mad at something else, and you will because its your identity.

It's OK for all of you "Independants" to come out of the closet and admit your a full out flaming republican!

Many Republican's aren't really conservatives. It's a different side of the same coin.

No true conservative supported Bush creating the Dept. of Homeland Security, TSA, Medicare Part D or doubling the size of the Dept of Education.

Both these parties are statist and it's more like fascism than socialism.

it's not socialism, it's generally facism or corporatism (look the terms up) both parties are engaged in, many right wingers including myself hated Bush and his expansionist government policies and wars and I hate Obama's too.

Quit thinking in terms of the parties, they're both essentially the same at the leadership level.

Republicans have been selling out conservatives for as long as I can remember and they hold the House of Representatives which means they can stop Obama and shut down the government tomorrow if they wanted but they won't because they're bought off by the same interests.

Do you see how it works now?

We have a winner!:thumbsup

Ummm yeah. I've made that point over and over and over. In fact, see sig :winkwink:

Sorry I couldn't see sigs when logged in...

Yes, you're right but at least in the GOP there are some people trying to make a difference and many conservative activists mostly Ron Paul supporters are engaged in making a difference through the primary process i.e dumping Richard Lugar, Bob Bennett from Utah and others who have sold conservatives out. They're not a critical mass yet but it's an anti-establishment movement that is expanding. The Democrat Party is completely gone I'm afraid.

There are a tiny % of legislators in both parties that aren't completely corrupt and are trying to make a difference. Like 1-2% :disgust:(

I don't believe there are any Democrats, the last good Democrat was Larry McDonald and they shot down his plane !

From the GOP I like the following:

Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI)
- This guy posts every vote on facebook with an explanation and only votes in line with the constitution
http://www.facebook.com/repjustinamash/
Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY)
Rep. Kerry Bentivolio (R-MI)
Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA)
Rep. Raul Labrador (R-ID)
Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX)

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY)
Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT)

There are some others too who are serious about cutting spending and who are not board with the Boehner-McConnell-Pelosi-Obama lie machine.

Former Gov. Mark Sanford (R-SC) is running again for congress in SC's 1st district due to Tim Scott being appointed to Senate
http://www.marksanford.com/

Out of all those Sen. Rand Paul is likely to run for president in 2016 so at least I will have a horse in the race.

you are canadian, you need to shut the fuck up.

learn your place in the world, eh?

Americans
Europeans
africans
mexicans
indians
canadians

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I slammed you because you are talking out your ass, stating I'm a republican because I don't like the present administration is like talking shit about the US when you live in Canada.

First off SHIT FOR BRAINS

Obama killed a proposal that would have brought down drug costs, The pharmaceutical companies promised 80 billion dollars to help with Obamacare, it was more important than cutting cost for seniors I guess. The Congressional Budget Office estimated in 2009 that reimportation would save the government $19 billion over 10 years.

The second time it was a bill, it failed in the SENATE, you Canadian moron and was authored by John McCain, you do know what party he's in right? And the Democrat heavy Senate shot it down!

?In a normal world this would probably require a voice vote. But what we?re about to see is the incredible influence of the special interests, particularly PhRMA,? McCain said. ?What you?re about to see is the reason for the cynicism that the American people have about the way we do business here in Washington. PhRMA, one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington, will exert its influence again at the expense of low-income Americans who will again have to choose between medication and eating.? [...]

Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ), who opposed the bill, contested McCain?s premise.

?It is not the special interests that has caused the Senate countless times to reject this policy,? Menendez said on the floor. He argued that the amendment ?puts Americans at risk, undermines the FDA?s authority, has a devastating ripple effect throughout the country?s drug supply by allowing foreign pharmaceuticals into the country.?

Where the fuck do you get your news? Cracker Jacks?
Dude, you're embarrassing!

If you ever get a clue, bronze it and hang it from your rear view mirror.


In conclusion, I bash the left because they ( Lead by Barry ) are not looking out for the good of the people, (Passing a healthcare bill without reading it) I don't bash the right because of people like you that resemble a zombie cult jacking off to MSNBC are too comical to join in with.

Yeah, Barry can't lower the cost of prescription drugs my ass, he can't balance a budget in 4 years, now 1.1 trillion in the red, but he can attack the 2nd in less than a month spending 500 million restricting a gun that wasn't used in the shooting
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/3020...town-shooting/

You want me to go on, because I'm having fun showing your faults here

Which radio talk show host that discusses porn is talking about over throwing the government? Which radio talk show host has it listeners foaming at the mouth about made up conspiracies and willing to take up arms over those imaginary conspiracies?

On an Intellectual level I agree with your point, but life is not an academic theory and folks are not being killed by porn mags, vcr's, dvd's or internet porn.

The First Amendment will have backers from both sides of the aisles. Fox, CNN, MSNBC and even LINK will all be on board backing the First Amendment forever.

Jefferson and Washington overthrew a government.

The Declaration of Independence SAYS once a government goes beyond its legitimate bounds the people have the right to overthrow it and institute a new government.

Taxes were 3% in the 1780's, they fought a war and overthrew a government over 3% tax levy by the King!

They're now 50%.

Democracy within the Republic has legitimized theft. No King would get away with 50% taxes.

States should secede from the criminals in Washington D.C, it's a perfectly legitimate right recognized by the founders and even the UN (self-determination)

It's not the plan, it was the way it was implemented, 2000 page law approved without reading it, a deal with the Pharmaceutical companies to keep the cost of drugs high to keep from re-importation , I'm for heath-care for everyone, but this is plain wrong. I also wish Obama would have spent the time he spent on Obamacare to use to find jobs for people.

Obamacare according to the CBO will generate in 2014 7 billion in fines by those that opt out of it, you really think this is right?

Ok, let's look at some other numbers
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...eEstimates.pdf

50 million uninsured
after Obamacare 30 million, 6 million paying fines to generate 7 billion
cost of Obamacare is 1.168 Trillion, so 20 million more people is costing the taxpayers 58,400 per person, you understand math correct?

End result, I don't give a rats ass who wrote the fucking thing, it's a bad law, fuck, saying it's ok because the GOP wrote it is pretty fucking lame.

According to the Connecticut State Police the bushmaster was the primary weapon used inside the school. It was a shotgun in the trunk.

Adam Lanza brought three weapons inside Sandy Hook Elementary school on December 14 and left a fourth in his car, police said. Those weapons were a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle and two handguns -- a Glock 10 mm and a Sig Sauer 9 mm.
In the car he left a shotgun, about which police have offered no details. Lanza used one of the handguns to take his own life, although police haven't said whether the gun was the Glock or the Sig Sauer.

The primary weapon used in the attack was a "Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon," said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/us/con...uns/index.html

Now you're talking.......it's way past time to kick all of these corrupt filthy thieves in the government to the curb. I would love nothing more then to see people dragging these assholes into he street and........

This government has created a powder keg and it's only a matter of time before before everything blows......there is only so much shit citizens can take and the bucket is about to overflow.

Next time you vote, vote these Washington DC shit bags out of office.......there are all corrupt! And nothing will change until we change it ourselves......:2 cents: