In the 1st two weeks of 2013, Chicago with the toughest gun laws in the country 27 murders+93 others shot has surpassed the Sandy Hook shooting but not a peep from the media.

There seems to be conflicting stories about this all over the place. I saw the video where the cops pulled a rifle of some sorts out of the trunk of a car, but at this point, don't know if I want to believe anyone.

Where exactly did i say it's ok? Nowhere. I didn't.

In general, i was pointing out the hilarity of right-wingers shitting on the "commie" obama for pushing a right-wing plan.

In fact, it was the same plan his election opponent instituted in MA....not that the right-wing tv/radio screamers mentioned that lol. They just pretended it never happened, like they've done with a lot of things.

Playing devils advocate here but under the 10th amendment states have the power to do what they want so Romney as governor implementing healthcare is different to a president imposing it on the entire country and the states themselves.

yeah, i knew someone was going to mention that.

once again, republicans (led by Bob Dole) proposed the same thing on a national level in '93

Well he shouldn't because it's not constitutional and I don't care what that weak Chief Justice Roberts says, health care is not an enumerated power.

It's going to be painful for the Obama voters when their hours are reduced from 45 to 29 by their employer so they can get round Obamacare and for those left who have full time jobs will see their premiums go up 30% to cover the new mandates for pre-existing conditions and coverage of kids up to the age of 26 (!!!).

Total madness and will cause unbelievable chaos in the economy and most of it is coming this year and in 2014 when the waivers for Obama's corporate donors expire so we'll see how these idiots feel then and that's before the Feds have managed to setup the exchanges which 30 states have decided not to do I'm sure they're going to do a great job of that massive IT project... what could possibly go wrong.

You implied it was ok to me by calling reference to what the GOP thought up, I don't give a shit who wrote it, it's shit. What Bob Dole wrote has many differences as I explained before. And spending 58,000 per person for healthcare is wasteful and that's figuring in the tax or fine that Obamacare puts on people that DON'T want in it!

So much for a free country, do people that believe in holistic medicine get fined? Who's going to pay for the 58,000 cost per person?
What about all the people with good insurance that will have to pay extra and what about the companies that have received waivers from it?
Some people just don't like doctors, what happens to them?

Oh well, at least the Pharmaceutical Companies don't lose the money they are making and the FDA keeps getting that money from them because of those prices, I'm sure the shooter in Newtown cherished those anti-depressants he was on

1) That wasn't my implication. I described what i was talking about in my last response to you.

2) That's exactly the thing VZ, this plan has been a sloppy wet kiss to Big Pharma from the day Heritage wrote it. But yet, if you listen to the right-wing screamers (and their dupes), Obama's some radical socialist who thought this whole thing up himself.

Anyone who can dispassionately look at Obama's real record (not the one the right wing machine invented) will see just another business-friendly centrist ho. He's about as radical as chocolate chip ice cream.

I never called him a radical and saying the GOP thought it likes it's ok is bullshit, I don't give a fuck about the parties.

The GOP and a few democrats thought up the re implementation act and Obama said no, That's his REAL RECORD

http://pharmacycheckerblog.com/rxrights-mccain-franken

Fuck Obama's REAL RECORD

Just to be 100% clear, i wasn't pointing my comments directly at you VZ.

What started this exchange between us was you responding to a comment of mine that wasn't directed at anyone.

Just anytime people defend Obama, they like to bring up what Bush did or what the GOP did like that makes it ok, it doesn't and don't buy into it, the left and the right are putting everyone against each other, there are no moderates left and it's sad people are falling for it.

Every time someone complains about Obama not getting anything done, people blame the GOP, a good president brings the parties together, Reagan did it and Clinton did it, Obama doesn't want that. It's by separating everyone that he can get people to not pay attention for the short comings of his presidency.

Unemployment is a joke and the budget is a joke and because of his separating everyone, no one cares

wont happen :2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

this is where you start getting very one-sided. republicans in congress have been as obstructionist as any i can remember.

unless you'd like to continue, i'll leave it at that

this country needs a massive political enema

see sig

The minority party is always obstructionists (if they are smart).

That's part of why the founding fathers made 3 branches of govt., so that a President couldn't act like a "king". But I don't think they ever foresaw parties voting in blocks like this.

Having two political parties always in power is what has fucked everything up.

There should be NO political party with a majority in the House or Senate. And every Senator or Representative should be voting according to what serves his constituency at home.

NOT party line voting to either say "yes" or "no" to everything the President wants.

It's supposed to be hard to pass new laws and legislation. The govt. should never be in a position to be so powerful that it needs to act quickly on anything except declaring war if we are attacked. (last time Congress declared war was 70 years ago...all the other wars we've been in have never been declared, and are probably illegal)

I raise with :2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

The republicans are NOT Obstructionist, Barry can't get his own party to play ball on what he wants, remember the hassle he had passing the healthcare shit law? All the deals he had to make to pass a law that no one read? Democrats had control of the House, Senate and the presidency, and still the unemployment numbers were in the toilet. If there was a better economy, more people would be working, more people would have health insurance. That would have hurt Obama getting Obamacare passed

I'm one sided alright, I'm on the peoples side

I was trying to take you seriously, then ^^this^^ happened. OMFingG:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Carry on dude

Keep drinking the cool aid I guess, or you could read and educate yourself, choice is yours, I don't believe anything the government says about the other side!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/09/us...pagewanted=all

You seem to be very gullible if you are on one side blaming it all on the other side. I got news for you, it's both sides!

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glad you know your place in yours

I've only been saying that over and over and over and over and over.

You totally missed the point of my comment that began this exchange. Let's just leave it.

You blame only the GOP and say it's both sides?

Think about it

Democrats are pissy because the GOP is not letting them do what they want to do?
SERIOUSLY?
So in your mind unless the Democrats are allowed to do what they want, they are blocking, are you serious?

Hell when they had control they still couldn't do anything.



Here's what I hate

Democrat or Republican

A bill comes up that's good

It's stuffed with pork, one side says no to it because of it and they are made out to be the bad guys, the bad guys are the ones stuffing with pork

Yep, you completely missed the point

Damn, how long will you argue with that brainwashed ... ????

I know, right? I'm done:1orglaugh

I'd already seen enough of his posts in other threads to know (despite his protestations in this one) that he's just another right-wing dupe.

Shame on me for being sucked in, but when i respond to people like this, i'm not 100% responding to the person in question. I mean what's the point of talking to a brick wall?

I'm putting ideas out there to people who might be open-minded enough to check out of the left v right/dem v rep charade.


see mah muthafuckin' sig!

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Marion Lynn aka SallyRand, fuck off and die you little creep

150 let's shoot the messenger because he happens to be canadian...even though he makes a good point

Hmm... you sound like an elitist..! :)





Why thank you.


In other news, I saw a part of the parade today. Hate the Prez all you want, but his wife is beautiful.

Happy MLK day!

I gave you the same props at 100. Keep up you lazy canuck!!! :winkwink:

Gawd forbid a different opinion comes your way you can't debate.




Wait I must be blocking you because I'm not agreeing with you? Is that how it works in Canada?